For those of you who have gotten rid of your 370Z

Red__Zed · 10-12-2011, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by toxik

I wanted to trade in my 370z because I could not get my rear view camera to work.

Fortunately, PMing Jeffblue for NAVTOOL fixed that problem. PMing Jeffblue was the best thing I've ever done for my 370z.

Pming Jeff now

kenchan · 10-12-2011, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

Just saying, if you've only hit 240 oil temps, it sounds like a more comfortable cruise, rather than testing the limits.

It's important to understand that ability to rotate under throttle doesn't really mean much in the way of implying balance, it's more a function of the power the car has. Guys like me want the car to pretty much drop all four wheels at once when it's getting no input, so we can manipulate it through the turn.

go play with your mustang kiddo.

Jeffblue · 10-12-2011, 12:53 PM

clearly the answer to all of our handling complaints is four wheel steering. As evidence by the fact that pretty much no sports cars actually have it anymore

oh and the fact that everyone seems to delete it off their 300zx if it has the hicas (4 wheel steering)

best part is i can just pull up to a parking spot, and move the car completely sideways to parallel park :|

shadoquad · 10-12-2011, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffblue

clearly the answer to all of our handling complaints is four wheel steering. As evidence by the fact that pretty much no sports cars actually have it anymore

Red__Zed · 10-12-2011, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan

go play with your mustang kiddo.

I think I saw a swirl in your paint

Pharmacist · 10-12-2011, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Any RWD car is going to oversteer with enough throttle, that's just simple physics. What I'm talking about is if you're going hard through a corner, let's say on entry to apex, the Z is most likely to lose front grip first. On throttle you can kick the back end out, but that's a different type of oversteer (and the type of oversteer you don't want too much of, I might add.)

Regarding track times, it depends on the track. The 5.0 and Z are about equal through the corners. Take a look at the most recent C&D "best handlers under $40k" as they have pretty good data that separates time through corners and time on the straights.

What I've been saying all along is that the two are "about the same" in the handling department, with the edge going to the 5.0 (TO ME) because of a more neutral balance (TO ME). It could be entirely different to someone else. Either way BOTH cars are excellent corner carvers.

Again, I'm not debating that. I have no doubt the new mustang has very good handling and is no slouch. And I wouldn't be surprised if it understeers less than the Z. After all it does have a square set up. You get 255 mm tires all over, which are quite large for front tires, but on the skinny side for rear tires. I actually think 245 mm are too skinny for front tires on the z, especially given the forward weight bias. That may be responsible for much of the understeer. 255 or even 265 mm fronts may be better.

I still don't think the mustang can carry as much momentum through corners as the z. If it laps a track on average at the same time as the z, give or take a second or so, then it has to be losing time somewhere given that it gains a lot of time over the z on the straights. I don't remember the C&D article. I'll check it when I go home. I do remember that in the recent DSport RWD car of the year, the mustang was a bit slower than the z, and actually was even slower than the camaro ss. Can't remember which track they did the testing though.

Red__Zed · 10-12-2011, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Pharmacist

Again, I'm not debating that. I have no doubt the new mustang has very good handling and is no slouch. And I wouldn't be surprised if it understeers less than the Z. After all it does have a square set up. You get 255 mm tires all over, which are quite large for front tires, but on the skinny side for rear tires. I actually think 245 mm are too skinny for front tires on the z, especially given the forward weight bias. That may be responsible for much of the understeer. 255 or even 265 mm fronts may be better.

I still don't think the mustang can carry as much momentum through corners as the z. If it laps a track on average at the same time as the z, give or take a second or so, then it has to be losing time somewhere given that it gains a lot of time over the z on the straights. I don't remember the C&D article. I'll check it when I go home. I do remember that in the recent DSport RWD car of the year, the mustang was a bit slower than the z, and actually was even slower than the camaro ss. Can't remember which track they did the testing though.

Oh god the d sport article!!!!'

Pharmacist · 10-12-2011, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffblue

clearly the answer to all of our handling complaints is four wheel steering. As evidence by the fact that pretty much no sports cars actually have it anymore

oh and the fact that everyone seems to delete it off their 300zx if it has the hicas (4 wheel steering)

best part is i can just pull up to a parking spot, and move the car completely sideways to parallel park :|

Yeah what on earth was the point of that? I can imagine the rear wheels wreaking havoc on high speed cornering and unsettling the car. It's like going in reverse and turning the wheel at high speed. How did anyone think that's a good idea?

Jeffblue · 10-12-2011, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Pharmacist

Yeah what on earth was the point of that? I can imagine the rear wheels wreaking havoc on high speed cornering and unsettling the car. It's like going in reverse and turning the wheel at high speed. How did anyone think that's a good idea?

I haven't disabled mine yet... supposedly it helps. idk how exactly it works, but it only has about 1* of steering in either direction.

m4a1mustang · 10-12-2011, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Pharmacist

Again, I'm not debating that. I have no doubt the new mustang has very good handling and is no slouch. And I wouldn't be surprised if it understeers less than the Z. After all it does have a square set up. You get 255 mm tires all over, which are quite large for front tires, but on the skinny side for rear tires. I actually think 245 mm are too skinny for front tires on the z, especially given the forward weight bias. That may be responsible for much of the understeer. 255 or even 265 mm fronts may be better.

I still don't think the mustang can carry as much momentum through corners as the z. If it laps a track on average at the same time as the z, give or take a second or so, then it has to be losing time somewhere given that it gains a lot of time over the z on the straights. I don't remember the C&D article. I'll check it when I go home. I do remember that in the recent DSport RWD car of the year, the mustang was a bit slower than the z, and actually was even slower than the camaro ss. Can't remember which track they did the testing though.

I wouldn't put too much faith into the DSport article. They have quite a notorious slant. If they are going to compare the 370 to the 5.0, the 370 will win regardless.

The C&D article is much more objective and the testing data is interesting. For instance, the Mustang actually had the lowest body roll angle of all of the cars tested. The Miata had the highest.

Also, regarding losing time in the corners, the Mustang and 370Z had the exact same lap time with the straightaways removed at 63.3 seconds each.

For all intents and purposes, the cars are dead even stock-vs-stock in the corners, which supports everything I can tell after having spent quite a bit of time with both cars.

shadoquad · 10-12-2011, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

I wouldn't put too much faith into the DSport article. They have quite a notorious slant. If they are going to compare the 370 to the 5.0, the 370 will win regardless.

The C&D article is much more objective and the testing data is interesting. For instance, the Mustang actually had the lowest body roll angle of all of the cars tested. The Miata had the highest.

Also, regarding losing time in the corners, the Mustang and 370Z had the exact same lap time with the straightaways removed at 63.3 seconds each.

For all intents and purposes, the cars are dead even stock-vs-stock in the corners, which supports everything I can tell after having spent quite a bit of time with both cars.

If you look at the individual corner times, the Z beat the Stang in every corner except one, and by very slim margins. The sections of track without straights had some acceleration space, so that's where the Stang was able to even the test out.

That said, the Stang is dead even with the Z in handling in practically every objective measure and real world application. It wasn't faster through most corners, but it wasn't like it was even a half second behind in any of them either. It will outhandle most cars available for purchase, and that's in stock form.

m4a1mustang · 10-12-2011, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad

If you look at the individual corner times, the Z beat the Stang in every corner except one, and by very slim margins. The sections of track without straights had some acceleration space, so that's where the Stang was able to even the test out.

That said, the Stang is dead even with the Z in handling in practically every objective measure and real world application. It wasn't faster through any corner, but it wasn't like it was even a half second behind in any of them either. It will outhandle most cars available for purchase, and that's in stock form.

Which is basically why it's a wash. You could throw a blanket over both cars in the corners, pretty much.

shadoquad · 10-12-2011, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Which is basically why it's a wash. You could throw a blanket over both cars in the corners, pretty much.

Exactly. If I want to come out and say "Mustangs can't handle, SRA, blah blah blah", my supporting evidence is hundredths of a second on a track test done by donut eating magazine writers.

Red__Zed · 10-12-2011, 02:06 PM

I also don't put much stock into their times, since it doesn't seem like they were really pushed hard.

Besides, the z may be faster in left hand turns....but the mustang is definitely faster around right hand turns

m4a1mustang · 10-12-2011, 02:10 PM

If there is a Starbucks within 5 miles of the track, the 5.0 won't be able to finish a lap.

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Red__Zed A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: window seat Posts: 28,940 Drives: Mostly on two wheels Rep Power: 120	I also don't put much stock into their times, since it doesn't seem like they were really pushed hard. Besides, the z may be faster in left hand turns....but the mustang is definitely faster around right hand turns