Must read now 370 vs Camaro.. !!

RoccoSiffredi · 05-11-2009, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by g35300mm

How can people or anyone in their right mind invest all their time, money, and patients into a vehicle that represents nothing but a poor excuse of a automotive company? i really dont care for gm or how long they have been around. because when you have the balls to threaten peoples job's, pensions, and overall job security because you cant keep up with basic industry demands then you simply dont desrve to even have a forum!! so let them put down a company (nissan) who will keep pumping out cars while the poor GM workers who built that piece of junk have to now seek other work!

1.) It's not a piece of junk. It performs quite well and is a bargain at that price.
2.) Most of the employment issues you identify above are direct contributors to GM's current state of affairs.

370Z_Fan · 05-11-2009, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Izzoh

I know the aftermarket is going to be huge for the Camaro and the Z and those numbers will be alot close after people start tinkering with suspension and wider tires. And the .88g look like a V6 number most reviews I've seen and read have the SS and the Z within about .4/.3 G of each other.

The .88g was for the Camaro SS not the V6 version. Both the SS and the Z were tested by the same publisher and the Z came out on top with better numbers.

awesomez · 05-11-2009, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo

"Just about fell apart" - descriptive lol. A "5.7L V8 GM" could be any 346ci engine they've made in a long time, too. Might want to elaborate, because for all I know, we're talking about a 1984 Corvette, with one of the worst SBC's ever incarnated...

Pontiac TransAm WS6.
Well let's start with front bumper and work the way back. I know I'll forget a lot of it.
The engine fan broke, radiator started leaking, alternator went bad, master cylinder, doors wouldn't close properly, windows wouldn't roll up, fuel pump.

MightyBobo · 05-11-2009, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by awesomez

Pontiac TransAm WS6.
Well let's start with front bumper and work the way back. I know I'll forget a lot of it.
The engine fan broke, radiator started leaking, alternator went bad, master cylinder, doors wouldn't close properly, windows wouldn't roll up, fuel pump.

What year?

Soooo...pretty much many things...EXCEPT the motor went bad.

So how does that relate to your motor almost falling apart and the 350Z sounding "like new" at 80K miles?

Izzoh · 05-12-2009, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by 370Z_Fan

The .88g was for the Camaro SS not the V6 version. Both the SS and the Z were tested by the same publisher and the Z came out on top with better numbers.

Right I saw the vid what I meant is that it seemed abnormal to me because most other tester/reviewers have them within .4/.3-ish of each other.

SiXK · 05-12-2009, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by RoccoSiffredi

1.) It's not a piece of junk. It performs quite well and is a bargain at that price.
2.) Most of the employment issues you identify above are direct contributors to GM's current state of affairs.

a bargain? hmmmm... what would make it a bargain? doesn't it sticker in the high 30's for a SS?

Izzoh · 05-12-2009, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by LSUTurboTiger

a bargain? hmmmm... what would make it a bargain? doesn't it sticker in the high 30's for a SS?

I believe the 1SS is 31k and the 2SS 34k

SiXK · 05-12-2009, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Izzoh

I believe the 1SS is 31k and the 2SS 34k

True, but thats with no options. The $34K will probably be $38K in reality. To me thats not a bargain for a camaro whose only real strength is straight ahead speed.

I'm biased of course, I really don't like the car much. I am not digging the retro styling (get an original idea GM) and giant size of the car. At the very least they should have ended the retro before they designed the interior. I am glad Nissan has stayed away from the boat steering wheels like the camaro and challenger have.

I am glad, however, that GM made the thing. same with the Mustand GT and Challenger, I am glad other car companies are making performance oriented cars.

RoccoSiffredi · 05-12-2009, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by LSUTurboTiger

True, but thats with no options. The $34K will probably be $38K in reality. To me thats not a bargain for a camaro whose only real strength is straight ahead speed.

I'm biased of course, I really don't like the car much. I am not digging the retro styling (get an original idea GM) and giant size of the car. At the very least they should have ended the retro before they designed the interior. I am glad Nissan has stayed away from the boat steering wheels like the camaro and challenger have.

I am glad, however, that GM made the thing. same with the Mustand GT and Challenger, I am glad other car companies are making performance oriented cars.

Actually you can get a pretty loaded 2 SS for $34 - $35. You won't have sunroof or some coosmetic options like the smoked gray wheels or hood stripes, but you get the leather, Boston audio, I-pod interface, 6-speed manual, 20 inch wheels etc. That's abargin in my book.

I also think the car has a lot more going for it than straight line speed. Most of the magazine reviews have complimented it on its handling. Sure the skid pad numbers are a bit behind the Z, the slalom and braking numbers are quite similar. Pretty impressive for a car built on a sedan platform that weighs close to 4,000 pounds.

Not saying the Camaro is all things to all people, but it is a bargin just like the Z is. Just a bit of a different flavor.

MC · 05-12-2009, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Izzoh

I believe the 1SS is 31k and the 2SS 34k

the 2SS i saw at the dealer was like 39,300 or something

Izzoh · 05-12-2009, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by MC@MYGTR

the 2SS i saw at the dealer was like 39,300 or something

And the 370z I saw at the dealer was in the Low/Mid- $40's ..... what you getting at ???

Izzoh · 05-12-2009, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by LSUTurboTiger

True, but thats with no options. The $34K will probably be $38K in reality. To me thats not a bargain for a camaro whose only real strength is straight ahead speed.

I'm biased of course, I really don't like the car much. I am not digging the retro styling (get an original idea GM) and giant size of the car. At the very least they should have ended the retro before they designed the interior. I am glad Nissan has stayed away from the boat steering wheels like the camaro and challenger have.

I am glad, however, that GM made the thing. same with the Mustand GT and Challenger, I am glad other car companies are making performance oriented cars.

It's ok to be bias I mean it is a Zcar forum after all .... I'm just trying to be fair is all. I really like the Z ( aside for the overheating ) and I love that it's finally grown-up and looks the part cause if it was the 350z I was comparing to the SS it would have been over along time ago and I'd be looking up what a Push rod is lol

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MightyBobo · 05-13-2009, 10:19 AM

Most dealerships are selling Camaro's at sticker price, or less. I know of at least 3 that were selling them for sticker, so saying a 34K sticker will be 38K in reality isn't accurate.

SiXK · 05-13-2009, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo

Most dealerships are selling Camaro's at sticker price, or less. I know of at least 3 that were selling them for sticker, so saying a 34K sticker will be 38K in reality isn't accurate.

I wasn't saying it would be a markup, I meant if you add options like most cars will have. $34K model with a few options will be around $38K. If you look at their website and look at the price of options, the aerodynamic package thing is $2300 by itself, so just adding that one option gets you to $36.3K, then you have floormats, etc. While the model does start at $34K, probably won't be many of those with no options. you could special order one and keep it at $34K I suppose.

I have no idea what kind of deal you can get on one, i am talking sticker price only.

regardless, i can't imagine paying $40K for a camaro, so, to me, a camaro priced in the high $30's is not a bargain but instead is the highest price I could imagine for that car. people that like camaros may think $40K would still be a good deal. just my .02.

MightyBobo · 05-13-2009, 10:48 AM

I think I fully equipped a 2SS and it was almost 40K or so. But, you can just as easily get a stripper 1SS with most everything anyone would want, for around 31 or 32...

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MightyBobo A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 8,465 Drives: No cars; only bikes Rep Power: 52	Most dealerships are selling Camaro's at sticker price, or less. I know of at least 3 that were selling them for sticker, so saying a 34K sticker will be 38K in reality isn't accurate. __________________ I don't own a car anymore.

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MightyBobo A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 8,465 Drives: No cars; only bikes Rep Power: 52	I think I fully equipped a 2SS and it was almost 40K or so. But, you can just as easily get a stripper 1SS with most everything anyone would want, for around 31 or 32... __________________ I don't own a car anymore.

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