Must read now 370 vs Camaro.. !!

Izzoh · 05-11-2009, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo

As soon as you start arguing HP per cylinder, you may as well label yourself as "ricer" immediately....

426 HP is 426 HP, regardless.

And either way, the Camaro isn't competition for the 370...the magazines just want it to be. It'll sell extremely well, no matter what - it had 15000 pre-orders for gods sake!

Why would you say that their not competition for each other they're both Mid 30's two door sport coupes. Both putting up pretty close numbers to each other. Sound like pretty good cars to cross shop. If only Nissan would put a V8 in the Z it would be a monster.

370Z_Fan · 05-11-2009, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Izzoh

Why would you say that their not competition for each other they're both Mid 30's two door sport coupes. Both putting up pretty close numbers to each other. Sound like pretty good cars to cross shop. If only Nissan would put a V8 in the Z it would be a monster.

One is a pure sports car and the other is a muscle car. They're not comparable. Put both of them on a racetrack and the differences will be obvious.

spearfish25 · 05-11-2009, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Izzoh

If only Nissan would put a V8 in the Z it would be a monster.

It would also be much heavier and lose some its incredible cornering ability.

Izzoh · 05-11-2009, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by 370Z_Fan

One is a pure sports car and the other is a muscle car. They're not comparable. Put both of them on a racetrack and the differences will be obvious.

A good majority of these car will never see the track though or at best once of twice a year (especailly with the 370's overheating problem if Nissan dosent fix that). I'm speaking in terms of everyday use plus the number for both on the track are pretty close from everything I've read.

Izzoh · 05-11-2009, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by spearfish25

It would also be much heavier and lose some its incredible cornering ability.

Nah I mean look at the V8's we have today they've gotten a alot lighter and more compact plus best of all more efficent. Instead of adding displace to a V6 and reving it to hell to get the numbers they could drop a 4.5 to 5 liter V8 get the numbers and a hell of alot more and then couple that with their attention to suspension and it might only add maybe a couple hundred pounds .... still would be a beast.

370Z_Fan · 05-11-2009, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Izzoh

A good majority of these car will never see the track though or at best once of twice a year (especailly with the 370's overheating problem if Nissan dosent fix that). I'm speaking in terms of everyday use plus the number for both on the track are pretty close from everything I've read.

On a racetrack, the Z pulls .97g vs. .88g for the SS. The Z can do the slalom at 69.8 mph vs. 68.6 mph for the SS. How are those stats even close? The only advantage the SS has over the Z is straight line speed, that's a no brainer given its 426 hp large V8.

YouTube - 2009 Nissan 370Z Track Video

YouTube - Chevy Camaro SS Rips It Up with 13 sec 1/4 Mile!

MightyBobo · 05-11-2009, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by 370Z_Fan

On a racetrack, the Z pulls .97g vs. .88g for the SS. The Z can do the slalom at 69.8 mph vs. 68.6 mph for the SS. How are those stats even close? The only advantage the SS has over the Z is straight line speed, that's a no brainer given its 426 hp large V8.

YouTube - 2009 Nissan 370Z Track Video

YouTube - Chevy Camaro SS Rips It Up with 13 sec 1/4 Mile!

What he's saying is (and rightfully so), the VAST majority of BOTH cars will never even experience a track.

I was saying that, anyone who even thinks about taking their car to the road course will automatically shy away from the Camaro and lean twords something more track friendly. Namely, the 370 or a Corvette more than likely. So, for THOSE people, the cars arent even similar...

g35300mm · 05-11-2009, 06:39 PM

How can people or anyone in their right mind invest all their time, money, and patients into a vehicle that represents nothing but a poor excuse of a automotive company? i really dont care for gm or how long they have been around. because when you have the balls to threaten peoples job's, pensions, and overall job security because you cant keep up with basic industry demands then you simply dont desrve to even have a forum!! so let them put down a company (nissan) who will keep pumping out cars while the poor GM workers who built that piece of junk have to now seek other work!

MightyBobo · 05-11-2009, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by g35300mm

How can people or anyone in their right mind invest all their time, money, and patients into a vehicle that represents nothing but a poor excuse of a automotive company? i really dont care for gm or how long they have been around. because when you have the balls to threaten peoples job's, pensions, and overall job security because you cant keep up with basic industry demands then you simply dont desrve to even have a forum!! so let them put down a company (nissan) who will keep pumping out cars while the poor GM workers who built that piece of junk have to now seek other work!

You say it like nissan hasnt done anything that put anyone out of a job...

Diversion · 05-11-2009, 06:59 PM

Nissan laid off 20,000+ workers earlier this year... everybody's having a hard time.

ssqpolo · 05-11-2009, 07:09 PM

hennessy...ya their rep sucks, but they supercharged the camaro ss and got this
Hennessey Camaro SS Makes 562-Horsepower on the Dyno | Straightline Blog on Edmunds' Inside Line

562 supercharged hp. damn. anyway. for discussion purposes. it is a straight line car, the Z is more a track car.

awesomez · 05-11-2009, 07:24 PM

As a past owner of a 5.7 Liter V8 GM as well as 350Z and as many as 10 other cars and now 370Z, I must say GM just about fell apart by the time I reached 80K miles. My 350Z engine sounded new at 80K. I got rid of it shortly after to get a new 370Z but to that point it was by far the most reliable car I owned. (All the cars I owned were sport cars). That's one of the reasons I bought the new one.

Izzoh · 05-11-2009, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by g35300mm

How can people or anyone in their right mind invest all their time, money, and patients into a vehicle that represents nothing but a poor excuse of a automotive company? i really dont care for gm or how long they have been around. because when you have the balls to threaten peoples job's, pensions, and overall job security because you cant keep up with basic industry demands then you simply dont desrve to even have a forum!! so let them put down a company (nissan) who will keep pumping out cars while the poor GM workers who built that piece of junk have to now seek other work!

Lets not go there Nissan in the late 90's was in pretty bad shape until they got bailed out and Ghosen came in and turned things around for the better.

I not looking for a war here there was enough of that when I was trying to do a little research on the Camaro forum. All I'm looking for is some good conversation.

MightyBobo · 05-11-2009, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by awesomez

As a past owner of a 5.7 Liter V8 GM as well as 350Z and as many as 10 other cars and now 370Z, I must say GM just about fell apart by the time I reached 80K miles. My 350Z engine sounded new at 80K. I got rid of it shortly after to get a new 370Z but to that point it was by far the most reliable car I owned. (All the cars I owned were sport cars). That's one of the reasons I bought the new one.

"Just about fell apart" - descriptive lol. A "5.7L V8 GM" could be any 346ci engine they've made in a long time, too. Might want to elaborate, because for all I know, we're talking about a 1984 Corvette, with one of the worst SBC's ever incarnated...

Izzoh · 05-11-2009, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by 370Z_Fan

On a racetrack, the Z pulls .97g vs. .88g for the SS. The Z can do the slalom at 69.8 mph vs. 68.6 mph for the SS. How are those stats even close? The only advantage the SS has over the Z is straight line speed, that's a no brainer given its 426 hp large V8.

YouTube - 2009 Nissan 370Z Track Video

YouTube - Chevy Camaro SS Rips It Up with 13 sec 1/4 Mile!

I know the aftermarket is going to be huge for the Camaro and the Z and those numbers will be alot close after people start tinkering with suspension and wider tires. And the .88g look like a V6 number most reviews I've seen and read have the SS and the Z within about .4/.3 G of each other.

05-11-2009, 07:09 PM	#71 (permalink)
ssqpolo Track Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 882 Drives: '12 Black Nismo Rep Power: 267	im not a fan of domestics, but these are some good numbers hennessy...ya their rep sucks, but they supercharged the camaro ss and got this Hennessey Camaro SS Makes 562-Horsepower on the Dyno \| Straightline Blog on Edmunds' Inside Line 562 supercharged hp. damn. anyway. for discussion purposes. it is a straight line car, the Z is more a track car.

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awesomez Base Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: VA Posts: 199 Drives: 09 370Z Touring 7AT Rep Power: 16	As a past owner of a 5.7 Liter V8 GM as well as 350Z and as many as 10 other cars and now 370Z, I must say GM just about fell apart by the time I reached 80K miles. My 350Z engine sounded new at 80K. I got rid of it shortly after to get a new 370Z but to that point it was by far the most reliable car I owned. (All the cars I owned were sport cars). That's one of the reasons I bought the new one.