New Car and Driver review of the 370z... oil temp fail!

ImportConvert · 09-10-2011, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Snakes709

When i was talking about the VDC, i wasnt talking about it on the track. I not only had it turned off, i had the harness pulled out. I'm talking about DD, mainly in the winter. The VDC screwed me up so many times i got sick of it. You can barely get moving with it on. It would actualy make me feel like im loosing control in a turn, even on ice. I can take a turn normally or even with my *** end sliding out and be in control 100%, but the second VDC kicks in, it sends the car all over the place. As where as the Evo's systems it doesnt make huge/noticeable corrections. Yes i know its AWD, but i feel more safe if i know whats going to happen and what i can expect. The VDC system was like "oh ****! gotta do this NOW!!" the Evo's system is like "ok sweet, the guy is having issues, lets help him out abit"

Now for the track since the system in the Evo is alot more advance i went with traction control off (1 push of the button) and left the rest of the systems on. Next time when i feel more comfortable ill turn all the systems off (hold for 3 secs) just to see how the car handles when it doesnt have the AYC and all that stuff.

And yet your point is invalid to me. You never tracked either cars and i doubt you owned a evo either. So until you have taken both cars on the track, your posts are useless to me, kbye

That sucks. I had thought Nissan's VDC was pretty decent from other stuff I read.

cossie1600 · 09-10-2011, 07:18 PM

It's great for guys who can't drive, it's useless if you are trying to compete for lap times. It kicks on way too easily, it doesn't allow you to apply gas off the apex if there is too much side load. It's worse than the regular mode for the Corvette, heck my Prius allows me to slide more. I ran about 5+ sec slower with it on than off at a 3.5 miles track.

Heck, it freaking kicked on at about 120mph when a small crosswind hit the car down the straight. No joke, caught on video!

nuTinmuch · 09-10-2011, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Alchemy

I see WAY more boy racers, oh sorry I mean Evo's on the street than 370's. Though I have never tracked either I would have to say the Z is a better track car. I believe it bested the Evo on the Top Gear track, although Im not sure what version of Evo was used. If you wanna bad mouth the 370 join an Evo forum and do it there.

There are a lot of Evos in North Jersey.

/shrug

I'd still get one, though.

edit: this might be a way out there thought, but I think the VDC is so restrictive because of how many fatalities the 350 had/has. I can't imagine that is good for business.

Alchemy · 09-10-2011, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by nuTinmuch

There are a lot of Evos in North Jersey.

/shrug

I'd still get one, though.

edit: this might be a way out there thought, but I think the VDC is so restrictive because of how many fatalities the 350 had/has. I can't imagine that is good for business.

I never see 370's. Plenty of Evo's.

cossie1600 · 09-10-2011, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by nuTinmuch

edit: this might be a way out there thought, but I think the VDC is so restrictive because of how many fatalities the 350 had/has. I can't imagine that is good for business.

Possible, but not sure 370 is doing much better. Too many people driving like an a-hole in it.

nuTinmuch · 09-10-2011, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by cossie1600

Possible, but not sure 370 is doing much better. Too many people driving like an a-hole in it.

Yeah, but people drive like idiots in -every- car, not just a sports car -- and not just a 370z.

cossie1600 · 09-10-2011, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by nuTinmuch

Yeah, but people drive like idiots in -every- car, not just a sports car -- and not just a 370z.

Of course, there just happens to be more of it in the 370z. I guess it's more the demographics

Methodical4u · 09-11-2011, 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Pharmacist

You do make some valid points that i totally agree with. But some of your arguments are nonsense. Yes the oil temp thing is a flaw and a big fail on Nissan's part. But it's easily fixed. A minor flaw like this shouldn't really be the sole decision in buying a car. Almost any car would need some upgrades before doing serious track duty, even porsches and ferraris. As for the brakes, yes the Z's pads are oriented towards daily driving and are rubbish on the track. But that's a common problem with all cars. I have hp+ pads which work wonders on the track, but with the amount of brake dust and squealing they do, it's not hard to see why Nissan and other car companies don't offer such pads on the car. Keep in mind most sports car buyers are NOT track rats. They probably don't even know what an apex is. Yes I'm sure Evo brakes are better than the Z's but I doubt they are stellar either. I'm pretty sure you would still need at least pads and fluid for serious track duty.

Can't argue with you about practicality. But it's a 2 seater sports car. It isn't made to be practical, and it's ridiculous to expect otherwise. Really, who the heck goes to buy a 2 seat sports car in order to carry military gear to a base? That's what pickup trucks are for. Hit and run magnet isn't the fault of the Z. It's the fault of idiot drivers. Unless the Evo comes from the factory with idiot driver repellant, I'm not quite sure about your point.

And I have an even harder time understanding the VDC argument. VDC being crap on the track is excellent reason to turn it off and go into Lewis Hamilton mode! Who keeps the traction control on while lapping anyway? As for the street, VDC is what it is. It gets the job done, which is to keep you from killing yourself if you do something stupid like flooring it while doing a U turn on an icy road or whatever.

Really, apart from the oil temp issue which is a totally legitimate problem, and the lack of practicality (which you should have known in the first place going with a small 2 seat sports car), the rest of complaints are quite petty and ridiculous.

With the sports package the Z can stop quicker actually... and while the fade is better, yes you do need pads for track use on an Evo.

Methodical4u · 09-11-2011, 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Snakes709

When i was talking about the VDC, i wasnt talking about it on the track. I not only had it turned off, i had the harness pulled out. I'm talking about DD, mainly in the winter. The VDC screwed me up so many times i got sick of it. You can barely get moving with it on. It would actualy make me feel like im loosing control in a turn, even on ice. I can take a turn normally or even with my *** end sliding out and be in control 100%, but the second VDC kicks in, it sends the car all over the place. As where as the Evo's systems it doesnt make huge/noticeable corrections. Yes i know its AWD, but i feel more safe if i know whats going to happen and what i can expect. The VDC system was like "oh ****! gotta do this NOW!!" the Evo's system is like "ok sweet, the guy is having issues, lets help him out abit"

Now for the track since the system in the Evo is alot more advance i went with traction control off (1 push of the button) and left the rest of the systems on. Next time when i feel more comfortable ill turn all the systems off (hold for 3 secs) just to see how the car handles when it doesnt have the AYC and all that stuff.

And yet your point is invalid to me. You never tracked either cars and i doubt you owned a evo either. So until you have taken both cars on the track, your posts are useless to me, kbye

You're an idiot... kbye!

Methodical4u · 09-11-2011, 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by cossie1600

Of course, there just happens to be more of it in the 370z. I guess it's more the demographics

I never even saw any safety ratings for the 370... it has to have a decent amount of safety or else the government wouldn't allow the car to be sold.

That's why they never made a 2007 Evo supposedly. The 03-06 only had a 2 star side impact rating.

ihatepotholes · 09-11-2011, 03:42 AM

people are still arguing about evo vs 370? evo is a far better machine on the track, it is evo's bread and butter. live with it.

Methodical4u · 09-11-2011, 03:52 AM

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Originally Posted by ihatepotholes

people are still arguing about evo vs 370? evo is a far better machine on the track, it is evo's bread and butter. live with it.

Why did it have a slower lap time in the article? Why does it have slower lap times in other articles? You don't even know what you're talking about. The Evo is a great car, but the only thing that helps it vs. the 370 is the AWD and the S-AWC system... the aftermarket for Mitsu being so large also is a HUGE help.

DJ-of-E · 09-11-2011, 05:22 AM

Dude, can we close this thread. It's starting to annoy me.

jaxxx · 09-11-2011, 07:11 AM

hahahah the 370z fan boys area all over this one

Alchemy · 09-11-2011, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by jaxxx

hahahah the 370z fan boys area all over this one

Well it is a 370z forum..........

09-10-2011, 07:18 PM	#257 (permalink)
cossie1600 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: californee way Posts: 5,380 Drives: 370, Leaf Rep Power: 30	It's great for guys who can't drive, it's useless if you are trying to compete for lap times. It kicks on way too easily, it doesn't allow you to apply gas off the apex if there is too much side load. It's worse than the regular mode for the Corvette, heck my Prius allows me to slide more. I ran about 5+ sec slower with it on than off at a 3.5 miles track. Heck, it freaking kicked on at about 120mph when a small crosswind hit the car down the straight. No joke, caught on video! Last edited by cossie1600; 09-10-2011 at 07:21 PM.

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