New Car and Driver review of the 370z... oil temp fail!

Nick911sc · 09-07-2011, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by CarsRfun

What was Nissan thinking?? (or were they thinking at all?)

Cool Story Bro

What was Mitsu thinking when peoples gas pedals snapped off? Pretty big oversight don't you think?

cossie1600 · 09-07-2011, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Pushing_Tin

At the very least the "sport package" should prevent limp mode and massive brake fade. These are not new issues, and Nissan should rightfully be embarassed that a freakin VW or Mini doesn't have the same issues.

That's like saying why people buy their Z and not track their car. Should we all jail the Nismo users for not tracking. Geez

The whole 2 or 4 door thing is lame too, sounds like losers getting hung up over some lame design difference. You going to say the 911 is not a sports car because it has 4 seats?

edub370 · 09-07-2011, 11:44 AM

i have a great idea!

lets turn this thread into one of a discussion about car and driver's z review, to arguing the amongst ourselves about which cars are sports cars!

edub370 · 09-07-2011, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Nick911sc

Cool Story Bro

wow havent heard that since i was like 15... cute...

elmz · 09-07-2011, 12:07 PM

I find it hard to believe that a Mini and GTI is more fun to drive than a 370Z.

Cmike2780 · 09-07-2011, 12:22 PM

I don't get why they throw in the "fun to drive" factor in there. Its too subjective. Also, did anyone notice the lap time. 0.8 seconds behind the Mustang with about 80 hp less at the crank. Still impressive.

C/D Track performance times:
Mustang GT: 92.5
370Z: 93.3
Evo: 94.2
Mini Cooper: 97.0
GTI: 97.9
MX-5: 99.4

Nissan def missed the mark with the fixable flaws, we can all agree. It's just down right inexcusable to not find an oil cooler and upgraded brakes/brake cooling in the Nismo, a car that's suppose to be track oriented. This is old news though, and we all know how to fix it by now. Lets just hope Nissan wakes up and gets us something that doesn't require us arguing over warranty work at the dealership. As much as I hate seeing articles about the Z like this, maybe its a good thing and slaps Nissan to wake up.

cossie1600 · 09-07-2011, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by elmz

I find it hard to believe that a Mini and GTI is more fun to drive than a 370Z.

Small cars with a little power (Miata and Mini) are always fun to drive. It's not going to make the Vin Diesel crowd happy, but they are a blast to toss around the corner.

Cmike2780 · 09-07-2011, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by cossie1600

Small cars with a little power (Miata and Mini) are always fun to drive. It's not going to make the Vin Diesel crowd happy, but they are a blast to toss around the corner.

Totally agree.

Nick911sc · 09-07-2011, 01:08 PM

tjlazer · 09-07-2011, 03:06 PM

This is embarrasing to say the least.

Nissan needs to increase the Sport Package by ~$1000 and add the Oil Cooler and Nismo brake pads in there. Problem solved.

edub370 · 09-07-2011, 05:03 PM

Why is it the 350's didnt have major oil cooling issues. these are esentially the same motors with a lil displacement bump correct?

red6spd · 09-07-2011, 05:22 PM

Just got my mag and took a quick look. The Z was only second around the track to the GT. It stopped 2nd best only to the GT. It had the best skidpad results. It was 2nd in the Slalom to the EVO. So as much as I agree that the Z should not have overheated I think it should have done better then 4th since it seems to have performed better or as good as the EVO and the Stang.

dad · 09-07-2011, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

and then people that don't actually track freak out over things that don't matter to them, like oil temps and brakes.

Brake failure matters! In the end, the article will affect sales!

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Originally Posted by kent370

The 370z is a low-volume enthusiast car, and as such, I think it is much more affected by bad comments in the established auto media that your typical commuter automobile.

I would offer as a counterpoint -- would the addition of a $300 (Nissan's cost in volume can't be the same as retail) oil cooler added to cost of the "Sport" package reduce sales of that package ($3000 vs $3300)?

If it reduces bad press, and it's costs are covered, IMHO, it's a good deal.

Bad press, it's in circulation, you can't change that! Nissan installing an oil cooler, never going to happen!

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Originally Posted by spearfish25

It just seems like C&D is beating a dead horse to publish a second article rehashing the same complaints they had the first time around. Yes, the stock and even Nismo pads are garbage. And the oil overheating issue is far from new information. So why keep publishing the same story about the Z?

I can only hope it's aimed at Nissan so they eventually (even if in the next gen Z) fix these issues. Fat chance though as Chevy is still making crappy Corvette interiors and every reviewer has commented on that point for years.

There not beating a dead horse, different car(Z), different test, same results!(except it didn't wreck this time)

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Originally Posted by christian370z

I don't really care for C&D much to be honest, I don't agree with their opinions on certain things that are not just relating to this article. They are really just stating the obvious, however I do find it interesting that I know fellow 370z owners that regularly push their stock sport package brakes very hard and have never had an issue.

Also, I would NEVER get a Miata over a Z or even a Mustang.

You may not, but their are members who have switched to the Mustang!

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

Brake pads aren't on the car from the factory because anyone that tracks their car changes pads at the track. Low dust brake pads make the most sense for everyone.

The LSD is actually another area they cut cost. The VLSD is not really for serious use--it is more for the cred of saying that there is a limited slip on the car. Anyone that actually tracks the car will swap for a Torsen.

All the cars in the test had factory brakes, the other cars did fine with factory brakes.

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Originally Posted by 2011 Nismo#91

Abuse any car on a track with out prepping it first it will have problems, maybe not the same problems but problems none the less. Why are people so shocked by this?

Stock equipment test only, for all involved in the test!

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Originally Posted by Mike

at least they ran into these problems and didn't even get as far as fuel starvation, they really would have loved that! Brakes and Oil cooler were easy fixes.

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

I don't understand how they lapped it so many times, and never ran into that issue.

Jesus!

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Originally Posted by RiCharlie

All these reviewers care about is race track performance. They dont mention a word about how it takes the bumps or how comfortable the seats are or the sound system.
They get some car out on a track at 130 mph and complain about the brakes or the oil system not handling that...Who drives that way in real life?

Bumps in the road and comfort seats, did they test a Cadillac? Brakes those are important, they are real important!

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Originally Posted by Rooskey

The evo is a four door honda accord look alike POS from a company that makes TV's.!! If I needed a four door I would have bought a WRX. I really dont care if it is faster around a race track. Why are they in the same category. I mean a two seater sports car against a four door sedan that looks just like every other jap gas saver?

If you want a sedan that sets you apart from others by all means buy a CTS or 5-series.

Psssss, it's Japanese, not jap!

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Originally Posted by Pushing_Tin

At the very least the "sport package" should prevent limp mode and massive brake fade. These are not new issues, and Nissan should rightfully be embarrassed that a freakin VW or Mini doesn't have the same issues.

I doubt if Nissan is embarrassed, their on the way to the bank with every ones money!

cossie1600 · 09-07-2011, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by edub370

Why is it the 350's didnt have major oil cooling issues. these are esentially the same motors with a lil displacement bump correct?

They had an oil pressure gauge, not a temperature gauge. Yes they did run 200-250F like this car, but the 370 definitely can run hotter due to the extra 1000RPM it has and the lack of oil warmer/cooler.

ChrisSlicks · 09-07-2011, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by cossie1600

They had an oil pressure gauge, not a temperature gauge. Yes they did run 200-250F like this car, but the 370 definitely can run hotter due to the extra 1000RPM it has and the lack of oil warmer/cooler.

The factory oil-water cooler did help, even though small. It is what the Australian and Asian cars have on the 370Z still.

09-07-2011, 11:44 AM	#123 (permalink)
edub370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2011 Location: KCMO Posts: 3,458 Drives: 09 370z S/T 6MT Rep Power: 20	i have a great idea! lets turn this thread into one of a discussion about car and driver's z review, to arguing the amongst ourselves about which cars are sports cars! __________________ 09 370Z ST 6MT//Injen CAI//Greddy CBE//TP//TSW's//Swifts//Stillen lip//Whiteline sways 326whp/268tq

09-07-2011, 12:22 PM	#126 (permalink)
Cmike2780 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Long Island Posts: 5,059 Drives: slowwww Rep Power: 29	I don't get why they throw in the "fun to drive" factor in there. Its too subjective. Also, did anyone notice the lap time. 0.8 seconds behind the Mustang with about 80 hp less at the crank. Still impressive. C/D Track performance times: Mustang GT: 92.5 370Z: 93.3 Evo: 94.2 Mini Cooper: 97.0 GTI: 97.9 MX-5: 99.4 Nissan def missed the mark with the fixable flaws, we can all agree. It's just down right inexcusable to not find an oil cooler and upgraded brakes/brake cooling in the Nismo, a car that's suppose to be track oriented. This is old news though, and we all know how to fix it by now. Lets just hope Nissan wakes up and gets us something that doesn't require us arguing over warranty work at the dealership. As much as I hate seeing articles about the Z like this, maybe its a good thing and slaps Nissan to wake up. __________________ [09][MB][6-Spd MT][Touring][Stillen Gen III][K&N][Borla CBE][Evo-R] [ArchitTEK Photography] Last edited by Cmike2780; 09-07-2011 at 12:35 PM.

09-07-2011, 03:06 PM	#130 (permalink)
tjlazer A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Tacoma Age: 53 Posts: 2,496 Drives: Z34, R35 Rep Power: 19	This is embarrasing to say the least. Nissan needs to increase the Sport Package by ~$1000 and add the Oil Cooler and Nismo brake pads in there. Problem solved. __________________ 2009 370Z Monterey Blue,Nismo Conversion,RE-11's, K&N Typhoon intakes,Blue Kickplates,Homelink,FI 18" CBE,ERZ HFCs,Hotchkis sways, Swift Spec-R, EVO-R Highwing, UPREV

09-07-2011, 05:03 PM	#131 (permalink)
edub370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2011 Location: KCMO Posts: 3,458 Drives: 09 370z S/T 6MT Rep Power: 20	Why is it the 350's didnt have major oil cooling issues. these are esentially the same motors with a lil displacement bump correct? __________________ 09 370Z ST 6MT//Injen CAI//Greddy CBE//TP//TSW's//Swifts//Stillen lip//Whiteline sways 326whp/268tq

09-07-2011, 05:22 PM	#132 (permalink)
red6spd A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Long Island NY Posts: 3,277 Drives: 2010 Z Coupe M6 SPT Rep Power: 21	Just got my mag and took a quick look. The Z was only second around the track to the GT. It stopped 2nd best only to the GT. It had the best skidpad results. It was 2nd in the Slalom to the EVO. So as much as I agree that the Z should not have overheated I think it should have done better then 4th since it seems to have performed better or as good as the EVO and the Stang. __________________ 2010 Base+Sport 6spd: Stillen G3, FI Non-Resonated CBE, FI Non-Resonated Test Pipes, UpRev Tuned, Custom 24R Oil Cooler, JDM Rear Fog-OEM Harness. ???Whp ???WTQ (Will find out come spring time)

09-07-2011, 12:07 PM	#125 (permalink)
elmz Track Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 674 Drives: 2014 Porsche Boxster Rep Power: 17	I find it hard to believe that a Mini and GTI is more fun to drive than a 370Z.

09-07-2011, 01:08 PM	#129 (permalink)
Nick911sc A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Long Island, New York Posts: 1,698 Drives: 2010 Nissan GT-R Rep Power: 20

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