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PaulZ370 08-02-2011 09:34 PM

Road Fuel vs. Racing Fuel: F1 Comparison
 
I work for a major Oil Company (ok, once you read the Article it will be apparent to you which- Not BP) and I found this article on our internal website - no secrets or anything, just food for thought.

DISCLAIMER: I am not advocating nor promoting any brand name, this is information that could possibly apply to all Premium fuels no matter which Oil Company's flag it is found under

Note: Lap time for the Racing Fuel is listed at the beginning of the Article. They leave you hanging till towards the end when they reveal the Lap time on Road Fuel. You can judge the result then...

Here is the article:



Can a Formula One car run on road car fuel?
02-Aug-2011
What happens if you fill up an F1 car with Shell V-Power from the forecourt? Scuderia Ferrari driver Fernando Alonso found out, and he was pretty surprised at the result.
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Shell’s technical partnership with Ferrari is one of the longest and strongest in the Formula One paddock with over 60 years of innovation and shared passion for performance. The technical partnership is key to developing better road fuels for our customers – from track to road.

In fact, the FIA regulations stipulate that Formula One race fuels must be composed of compounds normally found in commercial fuels, meaning that Shell V-Power race fuel and Shell V-Power road fuel are by definition very similar.

Despite that, many customers on Shell forecourts around the world may not be aware of just how closely the Shell V-Power formulation they put in their cars actually matches the one powering Scuderia Ferrari cars in Formula One.

Cara Tredget, Shell Technology Manager for Ferrari, says, “One of the things I always get asked is, ‘How similar is the Shell V-Power racing fuel that we deliver to Ferrari to that of the Shell V-Power Unleaded fuel that everyday motorists use?’

“We decided to answer that question by fuelling the 2009 F1 Ferrari car with Shell V-Power road fuel from a Shell service station in order to show that it’s really very similar to the racing fuel that we provide Scuderia Ferrari.”

To demonstrate it, Fernando Alonso, official Scuderia Ferrari driver was invited to post a lap time of Ferrari’s Fiorano test track in Maranello, using Shell V-Power road fuel in his Formula One car. The run also was filmed by the BBC.

Having driven four intense laps of Fiorano using his familiar Shell V-Power race fuel, setting a fastest lap time of 1:03.950, Fernando then returned to experience how the Shell V-Power road fuel fared with the extreme demands of his 2009 F1 Ferrari race car. He was somewhat surprised by the results, saying: “The Shell V-Power road fuel felt just as quick as the Formula One fuel.”

What supported his observation was the fact that the road fuel, formulated with unique Shell technology, actually managed to produce a higher top speed at the end of the straight when compared to Shell V-Power race fuel. The race fuel pulled off a noticeably better performance.

Fernando was still clearly delighted with the results, saying, “I think it’s very exciting to be able to stop in the service station and know that you are refuelling with the same kind of fuel that the Ferrari cars are using in Formula One,” he said. “It’s really great that through using Shell V-Power fuel, people can be very happy and content that they are putting a very special fuel in their cars.”

With Fernando’s lap time on Shell V-Power road fuel registering at 1:04.850 in the telemetry readings, the difference between the two fuels was only nine tenths of a second.

On the close outcome, Cara says, “I think the fact that the results were roughly within a second per lap of each other is an absolutely fantastic result, and a real testimony to how incredible the Shell V-Power road fuel is.”

The technical partnership with Scuderia Ferrari gives Shell an extreme, yet controlled, test environment in which to develop advanced fuels and lubricants for road users. Each year, Shell invests more than 21,000 working hours in a partnership that’s seen Ferrari achieve 10 Formula One Constructors’ World Championships and 12 Formula One Drivers’ World Championship titles.

b1adesofcha0s 08-02-2011 09:43 PM

That's pretty cool! :tup:

TreeSemdyZee 08-02-2011 10:21 PM

Sorry, but this reads like a marketing department's wet dream. There is no way , with the extremely high compression in an F1 engine that the V-power fuel will run a worth a crap in an F1 car.

Did you notice that nothing was said about draining the car of race fuel before putting in the V power fuel?

Sorry. I don't buy it. No objectivity whatsoever. It's amazing what stats will be derived and what statements will be made when you're receiving a paycheck.

:bs:

"The technical partnership with Scuderia Ferrari gives Shell..." says it all.

Red__Zed 08-02-2011 10:38 PM

I know nothing about F1 cars, but find it hard to believe they could run on pump gas...

happytheman 08-02-2011 10:42 PM

Yeah, ummmmmm.....

Independent, unbiased and objective testing required to un-mire this muckety-muck! :). Maybe then I will be inclined to believe it. I'm not saying it can't happen..I'm just saying that all parties involved had an obvious agenda.

Red__Zed 08-02-2011 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1242569)
I know nothing about F1 cars, but find it hard to believe they could run on pump gas...

I appear to be wrong. Apparently F1 cars have to run on something very close to pump gas. Learn something new everyday.

TreeSemdyZee 08-02-2011 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1242569)
I know nothing about F1 cars, but find it hard to believe they could run on pump gas...

2.4 liter V8, 800 HP, 18,000 rpm. 'nuff said.

Red__Zed 08-02-2011 11:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TreeSemdyZee (Post 1242602)
2.4 liter V8, 800 HP, 18,000 rpm. 'nuff said.


From wikipedia:
Quote:

The fuel used in F1 cars is fairly similar to ordinary petrol, albeit with a far more tightly controlled mix. Formula One fuel can only contain compounds that are found in commercial gasoline, in contrast to alcohol-based fuels used in American open-wheel racing. Blends are tuned for maximum performance in given weather conditions or different circuits. During the period when teams were limited to a specific volume of fuel during a race, exotic high-density fuel blends were used which were actually heavier than water, since the energy content of a fuel depends on its mass density.

To make sure that the teams and fuel suppliers are not violating the fuel regulations, the FIA requires Elf, Shell, Mobil, Petronas and the other fuel teams to submit a sample of the fuel they are providing for a race. At any time, FIA inspectors can request a sample from the fueling rig to compare the "fingerprint" of what is in the car during the race with what was submitted. The teams usually abide by this rule, but in 1997, Mika Häkkinen was stripped of his third place finish at Spa-Francorchamps in Belgium after the FIA determined that his fuel was not the correct formula, as well as in 1976, both McLaren and Penske cars were forced to the rear of the Italian Grand Prix after octane number of the mixture was found to be too high.

b1adesofcha0s 08-02-2011 11:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1242611)
From wikipedia:

http://images.jambase.com/fans/Human...e_you_know.jpg

Red__Zed 08-02-2011 11:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s (Post 1242613)

mind==blown

cossie1600 08-02-2011 11:51 PM

uh huh. that's why they always charge 10 cents more at the pump per gallon!

vivid2012 08-03-2011 12:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cossie1600 (Post 1242634)
uh huh. that's why they always charge 10 cents more at the pump per gallon!

Yup, that's might be the reason.

Rooskey 08-03-2011 02:28 AM

America and fuel... talking about one laying down like a Bitc$h.. Google obama and pacific offshore perks, lol..

roplusbee 08-03-2011 03:02 AM

Interesting stuff.....

definitionxmk 08-03-2011 04:56 AM

cool story, bro!

happytheman 08-03-2011 06:23 AM

Interesting! I feel more smarter now!

elmz 08-03-2011 09:21 AM

I don't mean to 1 up the OP but here is the video if you prefer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utfoH1kKdTw

4r3s 08-03-2011 09:57 AM

don't you think F1 would use regular pump gas if there was really no difference? Racing fuels exist for a reason just like air plane fuels exist for a reason...

Red__Zed 08-03-2011 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4r3s (Post 1242948)
don't you think F1 would use regular pump gas if there was really no difference? Racing fuels exist for a reason just like air plane fuels exist for a reason...

F1 gas is basically just really tightly controlled pump gas. The results of the test are pretty much Inline with that.


Why does my phone capitalize Inline and want to add a "Pro" after it?:facepalm:


Sent from my iPhone

KillerBee370 08-03-2011 10:39 AM

So essentially the F1 car will run on the Chevron gas I use in my Z just the same right?

Crazy4Z 08-03-2011 10:41 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utfoH1kKdTw
Quote:

Originally Posted by elmz (Post 1242877)
I don't mean to 1 up the OP but here is the video if you prefer.


What video? u mean this video?

KillerBee370 08-03-2011 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crazy4Z (Post 1243013)
What video? u mean this video?

Lol no this video

Crazy4Z 08-03-2011 10:46 AM

^^ what video?

PaulZ370 08-03-2011 11:47 AM

Formula 1? - The Official F1? Website
Here's a quote from the article above - "Surprising but true, despite the vast amounts of technical effort spent developing a Formla One car, the fuel it runs on is surprisingly close to the composition of ordinary, commercially available petrol"...

cossie1600 08-03-2011 12:49 PM

Correct me if I am wrong, but don't Europeans have higher octanes available than the US?

4r3s 08-03-2011 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PaulZ370 (Post 1243129)
Formula 1? - The Official F1? Website
Here's a quote from the article above - "Surprising but true, despite the vast amounts of technical effort spent developing a Formla One car, the fuel it runs on is surprisingly close to the composition of ordinary, commercially available petrol"...

Surprisingly, water and hydrogen peroxide are very close in composition...only difference is one oxygen atom...would you drink hydrogen peroxide if you couldnt get water?

4r3s 08-03-2011 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cossie1600 (Post 1243261)
Correct me if I am wrong, but don't Europeans have higher octanes available than the US?

Octane rating - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

its wikipedia so take it for what it is.

Red__Zed 08-03-2011 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cossie1600 (Post 1243261)
Correct me if I am wrong, but don't Europeans have higher octanes available than the US?

I know they use a different measurement. Not sure if comparable ratings are different.

Armonster 08-03-2011 03:34 PM

The bottom line really seems to be that F1 uses low-tech fuel. One of the many ways they try to slow those cars down to non-lethal speeds. Doesn't really mean that regular street fuel is that great, though.

KillerBee370 08-03-2011 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crazy4Z (Post 1243024)
^^ what video?

Exactaly! You didn't post one ;)

ChrisSlicks 08-03-2011 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cossie1600 (Post 1243261)
Correct me if I am wrong, but don't Europeans have higher octanes available than the US?

They use the same octane fuels just different measurement scale. In the US we take the RON/MON average, over there they just use the RON which is typically higher (for gasoline).

PaulZ370 08-03-2011 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Armonster (Post 1243566)
The bottom line really seems to be that F1 uses low-tech fuel. One of the many ways they try to slow those cars down to non-lethal speeds. Doesn't really mean that regular street fuel is that great, though.

How is 200mph or so less than lethal?

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4r3s 08-04-2011 06:55 AM

:icon18::tup:

I was frustrated with other things at work when I made that statement. I should be more civil and not insinuate stupidity upon others. :tiphat:

PaulZ370 08-04-2011 07:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4r3s (Post 1244358)
:icon18::tup:

I was frustrated with other things at work when I made that statement. I should be more civil and not insinuate stupidity upon others. :tiphat:

Apologies accepted my friend. We all have our days - I am no saint either believe me. Hope things get better for you...:tup:

Paul

derp 08-04-2011 09:52 AM

"Sorry officer, I just filled up on Shell V-power. It's almost like the fuel used in Formula 1 cars."

PaulZ370 08-04-2011 10:02 AM

It doesn't have to be SHELL V-Power. Premium blends are about the same for any Major Brand. :stirthepot:

I don't think the excuse is going to work by the way :shakes head:


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