Was looking to possibly buy a Shelby

m4a1mustang · 07-29-2011, 09:47 AM

Matt, your argument doesn't work. There's nothing wrong with the LS series of engines. In fact, the LS7 is a very modern take on a pushrod design. Just because it's an old design doesn't mean it's a bad one.

The truth of the matter is that with these big V8s, whether they are pushrod or OHC like my 5.0, you don't need to use but a couple gears to get around in normal driving. When I drive I usually shift from 1-4-6 and have plenty of get up and go thanks to the amount of low end torque this car has. The only reason it has a skip shift feature is so the morons at the EPA drive the thing correctly. There is NO need to go 1-2-3-4-5-6 in a car like my 5.0, let alone a C6 Z06.

theDreamer · 07-29-2011, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Matt, your argument doesn't work. There's nothing wrong with the LS series of engines. In fact, the LS7 is a very modern take on a pushrod design. Just because it's an old design doesn't mean it's a bad one.

You said it yourself though, it is just a modern take on a old engine design.
I never said the engine was bad or horrible, I am just saying GM needs to focus on the future instead of constantly rebuilding from the past glory years.

Why am I limited to just NA motors? We are talking about all motors here, throw in V6TT or V6SC and they easily match the LS7 on all levels including cost, weight, MPG. This is the modern world, NA engines are just a small fraction, boost or variations of boost are easily competitive, just as cheap and offer equal (if not more most of the time) power with MPG.

m4a1mustang · 07-29-2011, 10:31 AM

That goes against the formula of the Corvette.

ChrisSlicks · 07-29-2011, 10:32 AM

I would never give any money to Shelby no matter how good the car is.

theDreamer · 07-29-2011, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by cossie1600

Speaking of technology and Prius, now that is a car full of technology.

NASCAR Cup cars can run 9000RPM making 800HP+ with a carb on there!

Congrats, Nascar motors are tuned to the very end and last how long? Not a huge Nascar fan,
The Prius technology is 10+ years and already way behind on technology. Might want to read up on modern battery technology. Now Toyota does have some new ideas coming down the pipeline, but not yet.

m4a1mustang · 07-29-2011, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks

I would never give any money to Shelby no matter how good the car is.

I hope they go back to the SVT Cobra name instead of the Shelby BS.

theDreamer · 07-29-2011, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

That goes against the formula of the Corvette.

I am not saying go to a V6TT setup for the Corvette, I would never want to see the V8 disappear from that car. I am saying lets take a step back and look at making the best V8 using modern technology and that good ole American knowledge. I love the fact the LSx motors are so cheap and create lots of power, but lets bring it up against the world motors using newer technology and break the mold. Do something new & ground breaking.

theDreamer · 07-29-2011, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

I hope they go back to the SVT Cobra name instead of the Shelby BS.

I believe the Shelby contract is up soon right, that might make the push back to the SVT setup. Especially if it lines up with the 50th Anniversary of the Mustang.

m4a1mustang · 07-29-2011, 10:37 AM

And honestly, what good is advanced technology if it doesn't really add any value?

m4a1mustang · 07-29-2011, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

I am not saying go to a V6TT setup for the Corvette, I would never want to see the V8 disappear from that car. I am saying lets take a step back and look at making the best V8 using modern technology and that good ole American knowledge. I love the fact the LSx motors are so cheap and create lots of power, but lets bring it up against the world motors using newer technology and break the mold. Do something new & ground breaking.

But why? When you continue to crush the competition with a street and race proven system, why do you need to change it up? I think the LS series motors are fantastic performers. Light, compact, extremely powerful and reliable. I see no need to change them when they continue to beat the piss out of everything else.

theDreamer · 07-29-2011, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

And honestly, what good is advanced technology if it doesn't really add any value?

But what good is sitting on old technology and never seeing what modern technology can add?
Take some risk.

m4a1mustang · 07-29-2011, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

But what good is sitting on old technology and never seeing what modern technology can add?
Take some risk.

They can take risks elsewhere. There is no real need to change the LS series up.

FromG2Z · 07-29-2011, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by FL 4Motion

soooo, about that shelby mustang...

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Originally Posted by toner123

I know right I got thread jacked about 5 pages ago lol.

I really thought this thread was about GTR vs Vette's...

theDreamer · 07-29-2011, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

But why? When you continue to crush the competition with a street and race proven system, why do you need to change it up? I think the LS series motors are fantastic performers. Light, compact, extremely powerful and reliable. I see no need to change them when they continue to beat the piss out of everything else.

Because everyone around you is moving forward and sooner or later they are going to kick your ass. Not all new technology is perfect or a real improvement, some stuff is just side upgrades moving over to new items that look nice. That is why I am saying looking from the ground up, being innovators.

m4a1mustang · 07-29-2011, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

Because everyone around you is moving forward and sooner or later they are going to kick your ass. Not all new technology is perfect or a real improvement, some stuff is just side upgrades moving over to new items that look nice. That is why I am saying looking from the ground up, being innovators.

You know you're just a whore for technology.

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m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6962	Matt, your argument doesn't work. There's nothing wrong with the LS series of engines. In fact, the LS7 is a very modern take on a pushrod design. Just because it's an old design doesn't mean it's a bad one. The truth of the matter is that with these big V8s, whether they are pushrod or OHC like my 5.0, you don't need to use but a couple gears to get around in normal driving. When I drive I usually shift from 1-4-6 and have plenty of get up and go thanks to the amount of low end torque this car has. The only reason it has a skip shift feature is so the morons at the EPA drive the thing correctly. There is NO need to go 1-2-3-4-5-6 in a car like my 5.0, let alone a C6 Z06. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

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