*COUGH* HPFP *COUGH* (for the 335i)

You must have missed how successful the Corvette LeMans racing programs are......

Guess you missed this GT-R which uses the Nissan V8. I know plenty about the Corvette success, I watch almost all the races with them because they are an impressive team.
http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-20...R-1280x960.jpg

once again, i have nothing against any of the teams or cars. pushrod or overhead or 8 floying dildos, it makes no difference as long as they get the job done

This thread went downhill fast

Hey, so how about the extra 2 pieces of the DNA sequence that was just discovered, huh? You think they can clone dinosaurs now, just like in Jurassic Park? I think it would be cool to have a pet dinosaur, y'know like a little chicken thing but with scales, it would be awesome. I mean, I've always wanted a pet chicken, but I wasnt sure if they'd come if you call them. You know, like calling up your friend at 3am in the morning just to say 'duuuuude'. Like, saying 'dude' is not stupid or anything. It just shows that the two of you are cool, you know what I'm saying? Cool as in ice cool, baby. Temperature-challenged, if you wanna be politically correct. You can never be too PC nowadays, everyone is watching you and listening to every word you say....if you say the wrong thing, at the wrong time to the wrong person, next thing you know you're bent over a table at the airport while Fingers McSausage straps on medical gloves to probe and see if you're a threat, y'know what in saying?


Wait.....what were we talking about again?

Yeah, but then they bother you while you are going to the restroom:
http://www.joblo.com/newsimages1/poojp.jpg

I agree with the fact that LSx engines are amazing and they make tons of power...but you gotta also take into consideration the measure of efficiency. The z06 requires 7L to make 505 or 72hp/L. The 370z for example...89hp/L and thats with two less cylinders.

For the sake of comparison --The 2012 GT-R makes 530hp from a 3.8L TTV6 - 140hp/L.

So yeah, the LS engines are cheap and reliable...but you can see that dreamer is right in saying there is a LOT left on the table simply because they are "old" designs. If the 370Z had a 7L V8 with the technology of the current 3.7L V6....then by doing some ricer math....you're looking at 620hp from a V6 and close to 700 from the V8.

I dont think he's trying to argue that its not a great engine or that it doesnt win races....but he's completely right in saying the older technology is nowhere as efficient as the new.

law of diminishing return.......

So many issues with those claims.

Brb building an f20c-level of efficiency 8l engine with FI.

Well, since we are using ricer math, how about we crunch the numbers this way?

The VQ37 weighs about 370# and is 3.7L, that is 100# per liter. The LS7 is 7L and weighs 450#. That is 64# per liter. So for Nissan to have a 7.0L V8, it would weigh like 650#.

That's about the same logic as what you are using, just seen from my angle.

GM is ABLE to use massive displacement and maintain small size and low weight BECAUSE of the technology they have. Who cares when it came out? If it were the new thing you would be humping its leg. The only reason you don't like it is because it's been around for a long time.

Also factor in cost. The VQ37 and LS3 go for similar prices, yet the LS3 offers so much more performance. Also has a better warranty.

Technology is great, but as Mercedes AMG shows us, even a 4-valve, quad-cam, cutting-edge setup will only make a few more HP (about 50) than an LS7, has displacement/size limitations greater than the LS7, and costs 4 times as much.

Horsepower, flying dildos, conflict, supercars...

WTF do you mean it "went downhill"? Where else can you find the above in one place without going against the laws of god, nature, and several city ordinances?

EDIT: Personally I don't care if it is the greatest engine in the world and I could get a vette for free. I will never own a GM car

So in other words i guess the moral of the story is, there is no replacement for displacement

Thankfully I am not constrained by such absolutes in my life. I will buy and own whatever car best suites my needs at the time. :driving:

congratulations?

Actually the VQ offers more performance for its size.

So your only argument is that they are lighter? They are cheaper because they make tons of them, because they are using technology that has been in development for decades and because they are relatively "low tech".

What's with the hostility man? What part of the statement that I think they are amazing engines did you miss? Stop taking this so personally. Also, lol at your AMG engine comment, I wont even go there.

You said it yourself, technology is great and they should start taking advantage of it and actually develop it in their racing program. Why limit yourself instead of evolving like all other companies do. They should be making that kind of power out of 4L V8 by now...

He has one and he thinks everyone is jumping all over his car i think. I think he missed the same point you and dream are trying to say. Both of u said there great engines just wish they would update them to a more modern technology.

Why from a 4l? It would have less power under the curve, cost more, have more moving parts, and be less efficient on fuel. Look at the m3.

No, I'm frustrated bc I think that you guys are missing the boat. GM had a car with a dohc 4v setup decades ago. However, the pushrod design worked better, overall. Look at the ls3 and 7 heads and flow and velocity. Very impressive. I think that the ls engines could benefit from di and a few other things, but what exactly do you think you gain with a dohc setup? I promise you lose just as much in other areas.

Just to stay on topic; what engine is going in the new Lotus?

pshh, if we could only find a way to use an LSx series motor to attack our global warming problem, we'd have it fix in a jiffy.:tup:

LOL......nicely put, man

There is no global warming problem. It's a crock of **** made up by people who weren't around in the 60's to hear about the global cooling scare, and too dumb to read about it.

I propose than an LSX engine went back in time, kicked its ***, and eliminated it 50 years in the future.

Me neither! :eekdance:


Um. what's that you say? Pontiac was a GM car? Hmmm. No kidding.

I take that back :ugh2: :rolleyes:

lol, I don't totally disagree. I think to say that all climate change going on is 100% man's fault is silly, but to say all the burning of fossils fuels, dumping pollutants in our oceans etc has not effect at all is also silly. Like most things in life, there's a happy medium that's usually closer to the truth.

That said, if we were really really serious about curbing emmissions, we'd regualte them for the military, they are our biggest polluter.

(goes and hops in Z w/LTHs and revs it unnecessarily to show how much I truly care..:driving:)

We will keep reproducing, and as long as some welfare family is 15 strong, the world will continue to degrade as natural resources flag and we are unable to support the burgeoning masses. As sick as it sounds, a large world-war would be the best thing for the planet as long as nukes/biochem were not used.

Yeah, about 4 billion or so is a good somewhat sustainable # of people for this planet, and we're around 7 billion now and climbing. Unfortuantely, the biggest growth is happening from people/nations that arent' really contributing much in the way to humanity in general, ie. third and second world nations, just more mouths to feed and **** to clean up.

I think pandemic disease is going to be what culls at least some of the herd, it's just a matter of time before another "spanish influenza" type disease hits us hard.

Having seen war up close and personal, I wouldn't wish it on anyone unless in absolute necessity in defense of our country.

Fixed.

Sh!t. Does Bernanke own a crossbow?

The Bernank kills with double ought inkjet.

sad but very true unfortunately...

I should be a Mazda Rotary.....current engine 255 hp and only 247 lbs. Keeps the car feather light. :seriousSmilie: