New, comp package, 0 miles (custom order)

I wouldnt want the dct, but even with it the gtr is still 30k+ more.

Your face has taken two 540i's to 230k...

I doubt they'll be cheaper than the Z, since the Z will probably die before then and you get to at least sell it for parts.

More likely traded for a mustang:-0


I don't miss the 8 quarts of oil in that big old 4.4 liter engine though.

German car maintenance isn't bad at all. But repairs can be a PITA.

great answer.its sad, but absolutely true.

Yeah, definitely looking for something a dual clutch and no overheating problems ;)

If you're refering to the GTR, then you'll need to add an aftermarket trans cooler to your list of purchase items cause while the Z's motor oil's temps are our weak link, the GTR's is the trans temps.

Meh. Both the GT-R and BMW's cost out the arse to maintain in my opinion. IT's not oil-changes that get you, it's the $8000 brake-jobs and the $1500 transmission fluid changes.

I belive a brake job including rotors on my Z06 is under $1K. Transmission is "Fill-for-life" but if you just HAD to change it, probably could get it done for $200 or less if you didn't want to do it yourself.

Imports are just expensive as hell, and I really wish Nissan would change a few things about how they build cars. Even the little things they do. Such as those clamps on your hoses. Yeah, the little wire type. They will, over 5-6 years, groove the hoses, lose tension, and **** will leak all under there. BTDT with my Infiniti. Replaced it with worm-gear clamps like should have been used to begin with, if not quick-detach type fittings. Import cars are FULL of little stuff like that that will nickle and dime the piss out of you once they begin nearing the end of their service-life (around 100K miles/6-10 years for every component but the driveline it seems). My Infiniti has cost more to maintain than all of the domestics I have owned combined, even though my domestics had WAY more miles on them and were as old/older.

I hate the GT-R is expensive to maintain BS.
One article was written when the guy did multiple things at once and it gets blown out of proportion.

Front Rotors - $1492.74 (2)
Front Pad kit - $489.00
Rear Pad Kit - $405.00

Plus the transmission is expensive as well to have anything done with. It's not out of line for the car, but it is definitely pricey...and as IC said, the Z06 is comparatively very cheap to maintain.

How is it BS? For the cost of ONE transmission fluid change in the GT-R, my Z06 is going to go 100K miles. (not counting oil-changes, which cost equivalent for the most).

The GT-R is more expensive to maintain than its domestic counterparts. Less expensive than its italian ones.

It's all relative.

Is it super expensive, given performance and initial price? No.

My buddies 09 m3 has been nothingmbut trouble for him. Rear end blew, clutch went, rattle in his dash, and his 3rd gear went. Sounds like a owner who thrashed his car but he really doesn't. He still loves it and after his lease is up in sept he's grabbing a DCT 12 with comp package. But everything was covered under warranty so who really cares. Hs most expensive expense was new ps2's or w/e their oem rubber is.

M3s steering wheel is WAY too fat tho, lmao

Also another thing wrong with his 6m m3 is it's slower than my 370z in a straight line :-)~

GTR brakes have new cheaper options now but the car is bezerk to upkeep but if you can REALLY afford the GTR you can afford the maintenance.

Oh and he's trading in lease early and getting 47k for his with 21k miles sport with diff ride modes navi carbon roof ... That means you can prob grab that car for 55k which would be a steal

M3 is a sick all around car tho. Minus the steering wheel. Lol.

How much do you think a transmission fluid change is?

Was hoping you would quote that article, that is one of the most BS slated writing I have ever seen.
Labor is about 300-400 over (should be closer to 400-450 total), fluid is only $50 a quart, not sure who raped them on the 80+ charge there. Honestly, any person I talk to who owns a GT-R, which is a lot of guys, laugh whenever someone says it is expensive to maintain the car. The price for maintenance is exactly on par for what you get with the car. No, the car is not some older American V8 where I can buy parts from Auto Zone and get it running, so it is not going to have the same $45 oil change special.

So what you're saying is...$400 labor + $400 for the ATF + the fluid/labor for the diff?

Other than brakes, nothing on the Z06 costs close to that to maintain. In fact, nothing NEEDS maintaining. Just change the oil when it's time on the DIC, and the brakes if/when they need it. That's it. Basically, I can get 75K miles worth of oil-changes for 1 transmission/diff change in a GT-R using YOUR prices. If you change your transmission fluid twice, it will cover also a new set of rotors/pads for the Z06, although they should only require turning unless you run the pads down to the rivets.

*Oh wait, the Z06 cabin-filter has a 24K mile service life, IIRC, or something similar. $40?-ish?

Wow...comparing a modern double clutch transmission to a standard 6 speed manual transmission. :facepalm: Again, the price you pay for maintenance is fair for the price of the car. Z06 is 65k level car and the GT-R is 90k.

Well, how about the ZR1 then? It has beaten the GT-R in every performance category-- lap time, anything you want to talk about except for 0-60 times and magazine 1/4 mile times (stock OEM on OEM rubber they have run 10.70's@well over 130mph when driven by competent drivers familiar with the car).

Maintenance is the same as the Z06. Price is a touch higher than the GT-R by 5-10K depending on trim-level/discounts/promos.

My point stands, the GT-R is more expensive to maintain than a Viper, Z06, ZR1--It's domestic counterparts, in other words.

It is LESS expensive than it's Italian and some Euro counterparts.

It is not outlandishly expensive to maintain a GT-R, just MORE expensive.

Actually from what I have read and talked to a few guys (some of who own a GT-R & ZR-1), the ZR-1 is only a little cheaper per year early on and more expensive other years. So actually, the ZR-1 with overall maintenance is the same. You are picking out a single larger expense for the GT-R and trying to throw it all up in the air as some high exaggeration when in reality it is not that bad, even compared to the American top tier cars.

The only way the ZR1 is going to cost that much is taking tires into account, in which case, yeah, it will cost you are absolutely right. 335 series rubber is not cheap.

I have owned my Z06 now for almost half a year and it has cost me...$165 in maintenance. That includes an oil-change I didn't technically need (585 miles I change oil), and a few cans of Clutch fluid as that will get dirty and I am OCD about changing it out every time I drive it (totally unwarranted, but hey, cheap insurance). Oh, and some washer-fluid I need to buy.

Z06 and ZR1 maintenance are identical from what I understand, except regarding maybe oil capacity or something. Not sure.

Brakes are different, tires are different, supercharger maintenance.
There are some solid differences that up the ZR-1 cost, not to a crazy level but on par with the GT-R over time.

This right here is correct.
Not only that but you have to find someone willing to buy a car that has been worked on to this magnitude. Most modders like to oversee or do there own cars. Buying a FI'd vehicle from a complete stranger is an extremely high risk. So if you expect any kind of money for your mods. Part them out and sell them. Then bring your car back to stock.

Sorry but Z06's feel so cheap to me. Everything inside is plastic. Not to mention that big V8 just destroys you in the gas department. Thats one of the biggest reasons I don't even want to consider the Z06. For a very similar price you can get a car that can do this :



I think that just about settles this dispute.

Not only that, but modders have their own unique tastes, so what I've modded in my car as the seller may not be what you the buyer would have done (performance or aesthetic-wise). Plus some people eschew mods altogether and just want a bone stock car.

So yeah, parting the car is the only way to get anything back, and returning to stock means an easier sale.

The Z06 gets good mileage for that V8. It's almost identical to the GTR's mileage.

http://www.the370z.com/attachment.ph...1&d=1311868202

Yeah except your skipping second gear to do it.

Wow. From selling a Z for a shelby to bimmers vettes n gt-r's boy am I late. Lol

Were we talking economy or performance? If you're on a track, either one is going to be burning through its tank like no tomorrow. If you're seeking economy, you drive to maximize that, and the car will do just as well as that 6-banger.

how much boost do you think epa testers were using when they tested the gtr. also since when do you use 2nd to cruise on the highway.

2 to 3 sec split doesnt seem too bad to me given the zr1 comes with pilot sport tires, amazing how they put these crappy tires on their supercar. i was expecting pilot cups like the porsche

haha yeah, they lemoned it right there, walked away free and clear...right across the highway was the ford dealer. Walked out of there in 1hr with a 5.0 lol

As far as the lemon law...not too sure how long it applies, but i had my 370z for a year total...the problems started at 6 months...makes me sad to think i got a lemon cause i really love Z cars and the 370 was just awesome up until

Oh I wasnt saying the GT-R gets babied to get those mpg. All I was saying is that his comment about it being as gas efficient as the GTR should be labeled for what it is and not just throw out there the way it was because that almost makes it sound like the 7L V8 uses same gas as the 3.8 TTV6. Yeah you get those figures because under easy driving the Z06 automatically skips from first to 4th and 6th gear is extremely tall.

Regardless, I guess the idea here isnt just gas mileage, it was just something to take into account when choosing a new car. I think the Z06 is a great car, just the feel is not my cup of tea.

GT-R doesnt have cup tires either...plus if it puts a beating on the ZR1 then we know the z06 doesnt stand much of a chance.

If you can really afford any of these cars the maintenance shouldn't be a problem. Just my .02. If you can't that it's the wrong car for you.

Cruising on the freeway at 65-75mph with a few WOT blasts I got 26.02mpg calculated manually over a 119 mile round-trip.

What do you get in your 332bhp 370Z doing the same?

Right, and but that doesn't mean you WANT to afford it. It's like saying "You make $250K a year gross, why worry about $50K in taxes to support welfare?" **** that.

Ability and want are two separate things.

ZR1 is now offered with Sport Cup, as is the Z06.

Well my last road trip, 4 hours, I got just under 25MPG in my 400whp SC 370z doing an average of 85mph so I think the Z is fine.

Wow...fail comparison. :facepalm:

Brakes are identical.*
Tires/rims are identical.*
Supercharger is maintenance free from what I understand unless you tear the belt up or something. I'm not sure to be honest if it has its own oil supply or pulls from the engine or is a "fill for life" thing or what, but it can't cost much.

*Z06 w/Z07. Brakes require no maintenance for 100K miles unless you seriously track the car, but then all maintenance costs will go through the roof on anything. CC brakes will cost out the ***. They cost almost the same as the GT-R's conventional brakes though, lol.

How is it a fail comparison?

Paying for welfare annoys me almost as much as a $1000+ transmission fluid swap would. (I wish I made $250K, or I could be having this discussion on a Ferrari forum, but sadly, lol)

Also, sounds like my 7.0 is rather efficient.

Ok, you are buying a 90k car, how much do you want maintenance to be, 50 bucks? Again, this is a new transmission which requires more maintenance or slightly more expensive fluid & up keep. This is not a 65k car with an old design setup which has been carried over for the past 10 years.

Honestly what do you want me to say, you are right? No, because the GT-R price is perfectly in line with what it should be.