Oil Consumption PARANOIA?!?!?!?!?!

FromG2Z

Alright fellow members. Please help ease my paranoia..... I think I am overthinking this.... but..........

This weekend, I got back from a week long vacation. Z was sitting that entire time. I check the oil (checked it previous times too of course, and level was at 3/4 like my previous oil change = no issue) before heading out for some errands, and I notice it's a little low. I *thought* it was at 1/2 stick. I had low lighting, was rushing, etc...thought nothing of it. Added some oil to tip of H, came out to be 1/2 quart.

Then I do more research then of course I read up on ALL the issues, plus the TSB, etc etc. So of course, now I am all worried that I have a consumption issue. I didn't properly measure (as I stated above) before I topped it off this weekend.... so was it REALLY at 1/2 stick?........ can adding 1/2 quart really make it reach the tip of the H??? or was it really still at 3/4 and I'm just retarded at reading sticks that afternoon. Grrrrr....

So anyways, I am thinking about having a Nissan dealer to an oil change to do a baseline check for oil consumption. I switched to Mobil 1 at about 270 miles. Did the oil change myself. She now has 1800 miles. Dealer has to do an oil change and record the levels for an "official" baseline check. So questions...

1) Do I EVEN HAVE AN ISSUE to begin with? Or is paranoia setting in?

2) Do I go forward with having them do an oil change? or just measure the oil myself (very accurately this time...lol) over a period of a few hundred miles and reschedule with dealer if I do indeed see a decrease in oil levels? I just don't like taking it to a dealer if not necessary. I like doing all the work myself, but obviously Nissan won't warranty (if indeed I do need it) consumer work.

3) If I do have them do an oil change, should I have them keep using Mobil 1, or have them switch to Nissan Ester to aid with warranty claims (even though it shouldn't make a difference)? Aren't there going to be issues with switching from Mobil 1 back to Nissan oil in terms of not being good for the engine itself?

I feel like option 2) is the best for peace of mind... but just the idea of taking it to the dealer sucks.... esp when I can measure it myself (accurately this time). Then again, I could be worrying about it the whole time I wait...

Thanks for advice guys.... I hate worrying.

p.s. I checked for engine noise, none exists. No issue with my car whatsoever in the past. Ever.

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kenyada

1. OC more than a quart every 1000 is considered high. I don't know if this applies to you, had difficulty parsing out the info

2/3. For the oc test the dealer will need to do the oil change and monitoring. Obviously you can't add oil while testing is in progress. Mobil1 shouldn't be an issue, my dealer uses this by default.

I had a bad oc problem on my 350Z. I still have some oc on the 370 but nothing scary. I have to add about a quart every 2-3000 miles. What I do recommend is to set the oil reminder on your dashboard to 1000 miles and check it at that interval and top off as needed.

azn370z

When I used Mobil 1 for my prelude the oil would disappear. Because of this I used dino oil for my 350z. For my 370z I used Nissan ester then switched to redline. You should switch back to Nissan ester and see if it still burns oil. I personally wouldn't use mobile 1.

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VCuomo

You need to be able to state how much oil was consumed in a given number of miles (1,000). So write down the mileage at which you topped off the oil to H, then watch the oil level until it goes down to, say, the mid-point (or even the L point) on the dipstick, then determine how much oil it takes to top it off back to H and record the odometer reading when you do top it off. Then you'll know what the rate of consumption is, and that is what will tell you if it meets or exceeds Nissan's "excessive" amount.

oleg

I thought the oil was supposed to be half way between Hightower and low but not topped of at high?

FromG2Z

Sorry if unclear, I added no more than 1/2 quart to top it off to tip of H. However, after my oil change initially earlier this spring, I was at 3/4 stick. Which means.... I probably only added 1/4 quart this weekend, after 1500 miles.

Interesting. I was worried about switching from Synthetic back to Dino.... but yeah, I've heard bad things about Mobil1. I might switch to Redline or Amsoil. Any thoughts on where I can buy either?

Yeah I think I am cancelling my appointment.... I think I am overthinking this. I called several dealers across the country and talked to the master techs.... they said more than likely no issue, and just monitor. I think I will do that first, and if I see any evidence of increased OC, I will schedule another oil change at dealer at that time. I will also be SURE to record accurately the level of the stick in accordance with the miles.

Also, I heard it's also good to flog her more often... so I will try to drive a little more aggressively now that she's 1800 miles in. That should help seat the rings even better.

Thanks for then inputs thus far. Any other thoughts?

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VCuomo

He already topped it off to H. Besides, anywhere on the dispstick between L and H is fine.

azn370z

You can buy redline from z 1 they sell it with the washer and filter.

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kenchan

i posted this several times somewhere but when my car was brand spankin new it kept burning oil when at the high mark. it would go down to about 3/4 and then stop burning. so kept it at that mark for 3k miles just adding a little bit at a time.

now near 6k i can top off to the high mark and no consumption. this was the same way on my G 7yrs ago when i bought her new.

kent370

Mobil1 is an exceptional oil and is fine to use in your car -- if you have a problem, M1 is NOT going be the cause. I put it in my 2011 370z at about 800 miles, and now almost 3000 miles later, it looks like *maybe* it might be down 1/10 of a quart. That is great for a brand new engine, and consistent with the Mobil1 performance I have seen using it in my other cars for the last 250,000+ miles / 20 years.

Also, if your consumtion rate is anything less than 1qt every 1000 miles, it will not be considered an issue from a manufacturer point of view. Sounds like your burn rate is somewhere in the 1 quart every 4000+ miles or so.

Do your recheck carefully, but from the data you have shared so far, there is not a issue.

Cheers,
Kent

11Thumper

Why did you change the factory fill at only 270 miles? With only 1,800 miles on the ODO and ~1/4 quart of consumption I wouldn't call that an issue. I ran the factory fill until about 1,700 miles (3.5 months) and have about 1,950 miles now. I just topped off this weekend with approx. 1/4 quart of oil to bring it to the H mark. Might not have filled it all the way to the H mark after the oil change, but I know it was close.

As with any new engine (up to approx 7,500 miles) I check the oil weekly regardless of how much I drive. I suggest you do the same and if you find that you need to add oil all the time record how much and how often.

BeachZTT

It's not paranoia if THEY are really after you! It was 5000 miles before I stopped watching the dipstick twice a week and I didn't have any signs.

My friend is the only Nissan tech that touches her other than me... and that is because we used to race together and I know and trust him. And he knows that I know where he lives.

Anyway, he told me the first time we spoke about oil that they were instruced in their "Z training" to fill to half way between the high/low marks.

Keep an eye on your oil and if it falls below half way, have the dealership take a look. Keep records of what you see.

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FromG2Z

I agree... after researching and talking more about it, I think adding .25 quart for 1500 miles (at 1800 total miles) is nothing to worry about it. I will just continue to monitor it VERY WELL and VERY ACCURATELY. Will revisit dealer if issue arises at that point. I don't want to take it to a dealer if I don't have to. Besides, I will probably switch to redline or amsoil with the next change. Any preference on either?!?!?

hi Thumper... I changed at 270 because that was 6 months after I bought it... since it sat over winter. I just wanted to start fresh with Mobil 1 right away for this driving season. Planning to switch to Amsoil/Redline within a month or so tho...

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ImportConvert

Oil cools and contracts, collects in an oil-pan, etc.

I have adopted a method with my 'vette that is more strict than most because of the dry-sump.

I check the oil at EXACTLY the same temp/time after shut-off every time. If I do not, the variance can be huge. As in, a quart, easily.

With the regular cars I have owned, the difference was usually 1/4-1/2 quart or so.

I suggest checking the car 1 hour after shutting it off from running it with the oil at a certain temp.

Record temp and level.

Then next time you check it, make sure that you shut it off at roughly the same temp (+-5*) on a similarly ambient temp. day, and wait the same amount of time and check it.

Make sure you part in the same spot in the same orientation.

This should eliminate any variables attributed to anything but consumption/lack thereof.

*With a dry sump system, you are to wait 5-15 minutes, not an hour, but I presume your Z has an OEM oil system. I would wait 1 hour to let a decent amount of oil drain back into the pan.

ImportConvert

How did you break the car in and seat the rings? What driving method did you use? This business about the car already being broken in when you get it, I have found to be total BS based on my experience with my Z06.

Tail-pipes were sooty as hell for 2-300 miles, and I didn't check the oil from the factory (should have ) but when I finally did at 585mi, it was 1/2 qt low. By then I had seated the rings properly, changed the oil, and in 2000 miles since it hasn't burned an amount that could be seen on the dip-stick and even after hundreds of miles the tail-pipes are not sooty.

My method:

Gentle around-town stop and go driving until I got to the freeway.

On the freeway: Cruised up to speed limit, put it in 4th gear, let it drop town to 20 under (with noone around) and then accelerate strongly, but without flooring it, to 20 over (I don't advocate this...). Let it coast back down.

Anyway, I did that a good bit over a few hundred miles, passing people, playing with it, etc. and after a while began using 3rd gear, etc.

The main thing is to load the rings through acceleration and deceleration in-gear without going much over about 4-4500rpm or so. This is plenty sufficient to seat the rings.