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Red__Zed 07-08-2011 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks (Post 1209205)
No zero toe saves your tires. Too much toe was what I was talking about, some people (especially auto-x folk) run aggressive toe to improve steering response and initial turn-in. Even with zero toe my car turns in like a beast, I've let quite a few people drive it and they all make the same comment. Even with all the camber I still tend to kill the outside edge of the tire long before the rest is worn out.

Gotcha.


I run 0 toe up front as well, wanting to go positive though.

Red__Zed 07-08-2011 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks (Post 1209205)
No zero toe saves your tires. Too much toe was what I was talking about, some people (especially auto-x folk) run aggressive toe to improve steering response and initial turn-in. Even with zero toe my car turns in like a beast, I've let quite a few people drive it and they all make the same comment. Even with all the camber I still tend to kill the outside edge of the tire long before the rest is worn out.

Gotcha.


I run 0 toe up front as well, wanting to go positive though.

0 toe should turn in better than the aggressive (negative) toe settings though...or are you referring to aggressive positive settings?

m4a1mustang 07-08-2011 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1209214)
Gotcha.


I run 0 toe up front as well, wanting to go positive though.

0 toe should turn in better than the aggressive (negative) toe settings though...or are you referring to aggressive positive settings?

Yeah, zero toe should turn-in better than negative toe ( / \ ). Positive toe ( \ / ) will give you better turn in but don't be surprised if the car feels darty at speed.

ChrisSlicks 07-08-2011 12:36 PM

Well aggressive in either direction will kill tires.

Negative toe (toe-in) up front is used to reduce understeer and improve steering feel. The Z doesn't really need it. Just a hair of rear toe-in to keep the car stable.

AWD cars and FWD cars usually run a crap load of toe-in with a bit of rear toe-out to get the car to rotate more easily. Front toe-out serves no useful purpose that I'm aware of (on our cars), although because things can change under compression it might help for mid-corner front grip for example.

m4a1mustang 07-08-2011 12:40 PM

I don't have to worry about rear anything. :icon17:

cossie1600 07-08-2011 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks (Post 1209239)
Well aggressive in either direction will kill tires.

Negative toe (toe-in) up front is used to reduce understeer and improve steering feel. The Z doesn't really need it. Just a hair of rear toe-in to keep the car stable.

AWD cars and FWD cars usually run a crap load of toe-in with a bit of rear toe-out to get the car to rotate more easily. Front toe-out serves no useful purpose that I'm aware of (on our cars), although because things can change under compression it might help for mid-corner front grip for example.

toe in is positive number, you are right about everything else. if you look at the factory specs on rear toe, i believe the range is all positive numbers

lazywolfe 07-08-2011 03:42 PM

Camel toe really kills the tires.

....uh...

:wtf2:

ChrisSlicks 07-08-2011 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by cossie1600 (Post 1209530)
toe in is positive number, you are right about everything else. if you look at the factory specs on rear toe, i believe the range is all positive numbers

Yep you're right, I'm always getting my negative's and positive's messed up. Fortunately I never make that mistake when doing electrical :icon14:

OMGWTFBBQ 07-08-2011 05:15 PM

Might be a dumb question, but for the people running a square setup, are any of you guys running spacers in the rear to keep the track width ratio from front to rear the same as stock? Or would that be counterproductive in reducing understeer?

Mike 07-09-2011 07:58 PM

I run 15mm rear spacers to push the wheels out a little.

Front
-3 camber
0 toe

Rear
-2.5 camber
.1 toe

b1adesofcha0s 07-09-2011 08:09 PM

What set-up do you guys think would be best for a DD Z that may be going to a track eventually? I have the base 18" wheels and am eventually going with 245's front and maybe 275's in the rear (currently at stock 225F/245R). Need to get my alignment fixed soon so this would be the perfect time to do it. Thanks :tup:

cossie1600 07-09-2011 09:03 PM

If you have to wait more than a year before you do a track day, most likely your tires will be worn out by then....

b1adesofcha0s 07-09-2011 09:10 PM

Yeah but they're not track tires anyway, just all season. Doubt I will be doing some tracking anytime soon, but I do plan on it eventually. Till then it will be just spirited driving on some curvy roads and maybe AutoX at the most.

Mike 07-09-2011 09:19 PM

factory spec alignment is best for you blades.

ChrisSlicks 07-09-2011 09:50 PM

It would be nice to push the front camber just a little for a more aggressive street performance (around -1.2) but sadly there is no way to do it without replacement upper control arms. High speed auto-x is great if you can find it locally, helps you learn what the car will do at the limit and makes you more prepared for the track when you get there.


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