Oil Temp Survey

4r3s · 03-14-2010, 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mannyz

PJ,

"Originally Posted by Nissan USA
...The addition of an oil cooler would have raised the price of the car and potentially moved it out of the reach of some customers..."

I looked up the part # and just clicked on the first link, the item lists for $780 Its a 30K+ car I seriously doubt an additional 1K is a make or brake price point. Thats an extremely weak argument from nissan.

not that I care one way or the other I dont plan on tracking my car.

VCuomo · 03-14-2010, 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4r3s

I looked up the part # and just clicked on the first link, the item lists for $780 Its a 30K+ car I seriously doubt an additional 1K is a make or brake price point. Thats an extremely weak argument from nissan.

not that I care one way or the other I dont plan on tracking my car.

So you're suggesting that Nissan should have added around $800 to everyone's price for the car so that the few (relatively speaking) who track their cars won't complain about the oil cooler not being standard equipment from the factory? Incredible... You stated that you don't plan on tracking your car - are you willing to throw away $800 for something you don't need? If so, I'll PM you my address and you can mail me the $800 instead.

IMHO Nissan did exactly the right thing.

gumpy · 03-14-2010, 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VCuomo

So you're suggesting that Nissan should have added around $800 to everyone's price for the car so that the few (relatively speaking) who track their cars won't complain about the oil cooler not being standard equipment from the factory? Incredible... You stated that you don't plan on tracking your car - are you willing to throw away $800 for something you don't need? If so, I'll PM you my address and you can mail me the $800 instead.

IMHO Nissan did exactly the right thing.

No but i think the person you responded to has a point. They made it seem as though it was going to add 5k to the price and stop Nissan from being competitive in the market... it was a 800 buck option for which case money saved on not installing the original unit would make it say 600? and they buy it in bulk so say 450? and take the sales margin on the resale to the customer so say 350-400 extra on the list price? It's a weak arguement by Nissan for a car which they market as a trackable car. I'd like to meet the person who made this decision and put him through pain between the time limp mode kicks in until the car pulls out of limp mode and see how he likes them apples.

VCuomo · 03-15-2010, 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gumpy

No but i think the person you responded to has a point. They made it seem as though it was going to add 5k to the price and stop Nissan from being competitive in the market... it was a 800 buck option for which case money saved on not installing the original unit would make it say 600? and they buy it in bulk so say 450? and take the sales margin on the resale to the customer so say 350-400 extra on the list price? It's a weak arguement by Nissan for a car which they market as a trackable car. I'd like to meet the person who made this decision and put him through pain between the time limp mode kicks in until the car pulls out of limp mode and see how he likes them apples.

If it was an option then cool. But that's not what Nissan was talking about, or the poster I quoted. Nissan's statement was explaining why they didn't make it standard equipment on a street car. Where does Nissan say that the 370Z is a trackable car straight from the factory? And trust me, based on what they're charging for just the parts it would have equated to a $700 or so upcharge on the price (especially since you have to also figure in installation labor at the factory), not $350-$400.

Again, IMHO it's not a weak argument and they did the right thing.

BTW - If your car is going into limp mode under normal driving conditions then you've got a legitimate warranty issue that Nissan has to correct. If that means they install an oil cooler for free, then that's what they should do. But how many people are having oil temp problems under normal driving conditions? Hardly any (maybe none), I bet...

PJRabbit · 03-15-2010, 12:00 PM

I post a letter I sent to Nissan, and some folks take it like a personal attack on them.

Say hi to the fellas when you get to work at Nissan tomorrow.

One of the nice things about being an American (a country I spent 22 years defending) is I get the right to complain.

Get over it.

VCuomo · 03-15-2010, 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PJRabbit

I post a letter I sent to Nissan, and some folks take it like a personal attack on them.

Say hi to the fellas when you get to work at Nissan tomorrow.

One of the nice things about being an American (a country I spent 22 years defending) is I get the right to complain.

Get over it.

Noone is contesting your right to complain... The discussion has to do with the validity of your complaint. If that bothers you, then "get over it" or perhaps you shouldn't post your complaints on a public discussion forum.

Oh - and every morning when I get to work I'm supporting the men and women who are defending the USA!

Modshack · 03-15-2010, 12:56 PM

Here's your response from Nissan:

Quote:

Originally Posted by mannyz

"Originally Posted by Nissan USA
The 370Z has an engine protection system that reduces peak engine speeds when the oil temperature exceeds recommended levels in order to protect against possible engine damage. Aggressive driving of the 370Z on a race track at sustained high engine speeds can cause increases in oil temperature and may activate this engine protection system. To avoid activation of this engine protection system and these reduced peak engine speeds, Nissan recommends an oil cooler be fitted to the 370Z before driving it on a race track. A Nissan Motorsports accessory oil cooler kit is available for customer purchase through authorized Nissan dealerships for race track use. The part number is 21300-SS370.

An oil cooler is not necessary for normal operation of the vehicle on public roads. The addition of an oil cooler would have raised the price of the car and potentially moved it out of the reach of some customers. Value has been a core principle of the Z car since the original 240Z and we choose to uphold this core principle by not adding additional costs that are unnecessary for normal use. For those individuals who choose to drive their vehicle on a race track, the oil cooler is available as an aftersales item.

The oil cooler is a Nissan Motorsports item and as such is sold without warranty, express or implied, unless expressly prohibited by law in which case the warranty provided is the minimum required by law. The installation of the Nissan Motorsports oil cooler does not, by itself, “void” the vehicle warranty. However any damage caused by the installation or use of this part is expressly excluded under the terms of the Nissan New Vehicle Limited warranty."

And yes, you should

Quote:

Originally Posted by PJRabbit

Get over it.

Yup...It's easy to educate yourself here on these issues if you make the effort, but if you'd rather take the time to defend your right to sound like a spoiled whiner, fine by me..
This survey was done almost a year ago, well before many cars had sufficient miles on them to be called truly broken in. As miles have gone up, temps have gone down. Yours sound perfectly normal. There are many other reasons that cause limp mode on the street. Oil temps are generally not one of them. After the initial hysteria wore off there hasn't been much discussion on this..

Mag350Z · 03-15-2010, 01:13 PM

Very interesting data. This remains one of the main reasons why I have not upgraded to a 370Z. Living in South Florida, I do not feel like concentrating on oil temps instead of just enjoying the car. Personally, I am hoping that Nissan will at least offer the oil cooler as an option for the 2011 model year. Some extra HP would also be nice.
Otherwise the 350Z will be traded in for a 2011 Mustang GT.
I love the stying of the 370Z, and the performance is excellent for the price, but I've been there and done that with Nissan with a Rev Up oil consuming 350Z. Nissan should learn something from the Toyota fiasco and be proactive in dealing with customer complaints regarding their automobiles. I would argue that limp mode could be a safety issue if it were to engage at an during spirited driving.

gumpy · 03-19-2010, 03:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VCuomo

If it was an option then cool. But that's not what Nissan was talking about, or the poster I quoted. Nissan's statement was explaining why they didn't make it standard equipment on a street car. Where does Nissan say that the 370Z is a trackable car straight from the factory? And trust me, based on what they're charging for just the parts it would have equated to a $700 or so upcharge on the price (especially since you have to also figure in installation labor at the factory), not $350-$400.

Again, IMHO it's not a weak argument and they did the right thing.

BTW - If your car is going into limp mode under normal driving conditions then you've got a legitimate warranty issue that Nissan has to correct. If that means they install an oil cooler for free, then that's what they should do. But how many people are having oil temp problems under normal driving conditions? Hardly any (maybe none), I bet...

I don't have an oil temp issue and don't expect to have any on the road as i choose not to do anything stupid in public... it's just very sad that my old polo gti (stock) could take tracks in it's stride and this car will run out of puff after 5-6 laps...

PJRabbit · 03-25-2010, 10:50 AM

Here is the reply I got from nna in regards to my earlier letter I sent:

Thank you for taking the time to contact Nissan North America, Inc. and allowing us the opportunity to be of assistance. We apologize for the delay in the response.

In regards to your inquiry, in order to decrease oil temperature that may activate this engine protection system, Nissan recommends that an oil cooler kit be fitted to the 370Z.

If you wish to purchase the Nissan Motorsports accessory oil cooler kit, it is available as an after market accessory item through Nissan Motorsports, part # 21300-SS370.

File # 6766456 has been created to document your concern. Please feel free to contact us directly at 1-800-647-7261 (Nissan Consumer Affairs) with any questions or comments.

Sincerely,

Nissan North America, Inc.

Modshack · 03-25-2010, 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PJRabbit

Here is the reply I got from nna in regards to my earlier letter I sent:

Told ya!

03-15-2010, 12:00 PM	#5 (permalink)
PJRabbit Base Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Va Posts: 41 Drives: 2010 NISMO 370z Rep Power: 16	Lmfao I post a letter I sent to Nissan, and some folks take it like a personal attack on them. Say hi to the fellas when you get to work at Nissan tomorrow. One of the nice things about being an American (a country I spent 22 years defending) is I get the right to complain. Get over it.

03-25-2010, 10:50 AM	#10 (permalink)
PJRabbit Base Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Va Posts: 41 Drives: 2010 NISMO 370z Rep Power: 16	Reply from Nissan North America Here is the reply I got from nna in regards to my earlier letter I sent: Thank you for taking the time to contact Nissan North America, Inc. and allowing us the opportunity to be of assistance. We apologize for the delay in the response. In regards to your inquiry, in order to decrease oil temperature that may activate this engine protection system, Nissan recommends that an oil cooler kit be fitted to the 370Z. If you wish to purchase the Nissan Motorsports accessory oil cooler kit, it is available as an after market accessory item through Nissan Motorsports, part # 21300-SS370. File # 6766456 has been created to document your concern. Please feel free to contact us directly at 1-800-647-7261 (Nissan Consumer Affairs) with any questions or comments. Sincerely, Nissan North America, Inc.

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03-15-2010, 01:13 PM	#8 (permalink)
Mag350Z Base Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: South Florida Posts: 95 Drives: 2011 GS Corvette Rep Power: 16	Very interesting data. This remains one of the main reasons why I have not upgraded to a 370Z. Living in South Florida, I do not feel like concentrating on oil temps instead of just enjoying the car. Personally, I am hoping that Nissan will at least offer the oil cooler as an option for the 2011 model year. Some extra HP would also be nice. Otherwise the 350Z will be traded in for a 2011 Mustang GT. I love the stying of the 370Z, and the performance is excellent for the price, but I've been there and done that with Nissan with a Rev Up oil consuming 350Z. Nissan should learn something from the Toyota fiasco and be proactive in dealing with customer complaints regarding their automobiles. I would argue that limp mode could be a safety issue if it were to engage at an during spirited driving.