370Z Takes on Genesis Coupe 3.8 Track

Pelican170 · 06-29-2011, 12:36 PM

Kenchan, you've been a bad bad boy!

lol j/k...

ClevelandCWRU · 06-29-2011, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by 9Zs_Ed

Have you weighed each car's ability of dealing with snow (Cleveland snow), or do you have another vehicle to cover you those 8 months of the year?

A very valid point. The car is likely to see action in the winter, and I've priced extra wheels with winter tires for both. I actually live just south of the snow belt, so the snow isn't too terrible. And the crews manage to do a decent job clearing the roads most of the time, thankfully. Around here a sure sign the weather is too bad for driving (except emergencies) is when they can't keep even the streets clear.

Driving in snow isn't terrible, just have to have the right tires and be careful. 4WD, RWD, FWD, AWD, if you drive careful and are aware of road conditions you will be fine. I probably see more people with 4WD/AWD getting themselves in trouble in winter because of overconfidence, forgetting that only helps them get the car moving but does little to nothing when it comes to steering/stopping.

I've driven enough in snow that I'd be fine with either one once I get the proper tires mounted.

kenchan · 06-29-2011, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ClevelandCWRU

What truth? You presented no fact or informed opinion, just an absurd statement. I'm more than willing to consider your (and anyone else's for that matter) opinion, but please, drop the wacky sensationalism. It's hard to take someone like that seriously.

I very clearly can see the differences in the two cars, as I give thoughts and a somewhat detailed comparison of the two.

Was the original Z any less of a great driving sports car because no previous Z had been built? No! Did it magically get more powerful and grip the road better as more and more future generations were produced? No of course not. The history and heritage is a great story, but it's just that: a story. The 370Z is an awesome car, but it's great in its own right not because other cars Nissan/Datsun previously made shared the Z designation. Similarly, the Genesis Coupe doesn't drive any better or worse because of it's lack of a great story. Nissan certainly earned the reputation with their Z series of cars, but in the end using it to suggest the current car is superior to another car who lacks that history is simple branding and a marketing strategy. It shapes people's perception of a product, but doesn't make the product any better or worse in the objective sense. Stories are nice but not a factor for me. I'm more interested in this generation of both cars and driving them.

Regardless of which car I buy, I will never have to explain or justify my purchase with friends and family. They respect my decision making and choice to drive what I like regardless of its badge. Life after the teenage mentality of being "seen" and "acting cool" is really quite liberating. You have something to look forward to.

there is a reason for everything and why things are the way they are. you even considering a genesis coupe shows hyundai did their research and targeted the right demographics. college kid (still a fresh innocent undecided or confused(?) mind), can fit friends in the car, affordable, cool looking car, even RWD like a real sports car! perfect!

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Originally Posted by Pelican170

Kenchan, you've been a bad bad boy!

lol j/k...

you guys luv me too much for real world comments.

FromG2Z · 06-29-2011, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan

np, op, just putting out the truth. can't handle it? there's no enthusiasm owning a hyundai (atleast not yet) other than if you got korean pride. there's absolutely nothing wrong with that! hell if i was korean i would get the gensis coupe just because it's the first 'cool' car they came out with for the US market.

but you will end up always having to explain to yourself and your friends and neighbors, etc. why you got the genesis couple. spill out the magazine spec-racer in you.

and i suppose for a 'smart shopper' aka walmart shopper that makes sense.
you get more for the money...even 2 extra seats in the back!

again nothing wrong with that since one cant tell the difference.

btw, i am not saying hyundai's are crap cars, i am saying that there's no real carguy fun i can see owning a genesis coupe. to me gensis is like a corolla-s when kids really wanted to get the CivicSI but parent's wouldn't let them.

you post a new thread on the forums expect to get a variety of replies.

yah, truth hurts i know.

Wow ken.... I think you got kenchan'd....

Alright alright... kidding aside, OP, you need to take it easy. This is a public forum, and a Z forum at that. Folks here will have an opinion (most likely favorable) towards our Z's. But it is just that, an OPINION. So no need to get all hissy about that. You posted a question on the forum asking which car we think is better. Folks don't really have to justify their answers to you or anyone else. Take their opinions for what they're worth. If you don't like it, don't listen to it... simple as that. There's a lot of respectable folks on this forum, ken included. I guess he just feels strongly against Hyundai's

no problem with that.

For example, if someone asked me to which I like better, the Z or a Mustang or a Vette, I can say the Z, because of several concrete reasons, or I can just say, I like it better. Period. Why? Doesn't even have to be a valid reason. I just like it better... just "feels" better to me. That's not a quantifiable reason right? But in the end, it's MY reason, and I gave it to answer a question.

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Originally Posted by DarkJak

Until yesterday, I was stuck with the same decision, Z or Gencoupe. Coincidentally, it was also the Touring+Sport vs the 3.8 Track trims.

To me, the Genesis was like a baby G37, just a bit diluted in both performance and luxury.
On the other hand, the Z was a more raw and visceral ride. However, I don't think the extra 10% of performance would be missed much if you get the genesis instead of the z, both cars are capable enough be incredibly fun during hard driving.

That is EXACTLY how I felt about the Genesis coupe after driving it, compared to the Z. It felt so generic.... hard to explain. The driver connection to the car and to the road was absent. Does anyone else know what I mean? In the Z (and I'm sure in other well built cars like BMW, etc), I really felt connected to the car..... by the steering wheel, the sound, the feel of the road on my bottom, etc.... everything. Maybe it's just me

TypeOne · 06-29-2011, 01:55 PM

I thought very seriously about buying a Gen Coupe... and am still intrigued as to the revision or facelift which is upcoming.

For me, I felt like the Z was a truer sports car. That is what I wanted. I wanted the heritage, quality and performance of a Nissan Z car. That is something the Gen Coupe can't put out...even if they fill it with little tech accessories.

I drove both cars in the same day and which the Gen Coupe had "leather and brembos" didn't really change the fact that it was still a Hyundai and it was the FIRST model/year version of that chassis.

If you want something sporty, affordable and "ok" looking... get the Gen Coupe. If you want something that preforms better and has the heritage of a Z car, get the 370.

Call me biased, but I feel the Z looks better and is higher quality in just about every area. I would take my Base + Sport over a loaded 3.8 Track any day of the week.

FromG2Z · 06-29-2011, 02:00 PM

^ OP, the statement above is again, an opinion. He claims the Z is better looking. Again, no way to quantify that. And FWIW, that's how I feel too... lol... Z = much better looking.

kenchan · 06-29-2011, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by FromG2Z

Wow ken.... I think you got kenchan'd....

yah, i tend to confuse myself at times but this thread my head is very clear.

and no i dont hate hyundai's, i will probably never own one but that doesn't mean i have any hate for them. their offerings just does not target me.

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Originally Posted by FromG2Z

That is EXACTLY how I felt about the Genesis coupe after driving it, compared to the Z. It felt so generic.... hard to explain. The driver connection to the car and to the road was absent. Does anyone else know what I mean? In the Z (and I'm sure in other well built cars like BMW, etc), I really felt connected to the car..... by the steering wheel, the sound, the feel of the road on my bottom, etc.... everything. Maybe it's just me

it's made for the very general public. people that aren't true car enthusiats but want something cool and sporty. nothing wrong with hyundai's design or marketing style for their genesis coupe. it's just not at the level of commitment as a sports car, that's all. and i dont think they ever intended the car to be.

DJ-of-E · 06-29-2011, 02:41 PM

And if you post this on the Hyundai forums, we most likely get the same answers, plus things against the 370z.

At most what Genesis owners are going to say, they just like their cars and we like ours. And I respect our opinions. I mean, what better way to show our appreciation of car than to choose what we like without being crucified. Last thing I want to see is everyone owning a Toyota Camry circa 1990s.

kenchan · 06-29-2011, 02:56 PM

a car of choice needs to make sense for the owner (or lessee). even if you drove 2 cars back to back and reviewed it, it's still just an opinion based on one's background.

but the truth of the matter is, these are 2 very different cars targeted at 2 different demographics. i just happen to fit in the 370Z demographics more so than a genesis coupe.

i'd get a new G37C over a genesis coupe if something happened to my G35C as it's non replacable. if something happened to my Z i'd get another Z. i wont be looking anywhere at a hyundai catalog that's for sure.

Econ · 06-29-2011, 02:59 PM

what's a kenchan?

FromG2Z · 06-29-2011, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Econ

what's a kenchan?

Sorry Ken, what did I start?!?!?!?!

hehe

kenchan · 06-29-2011, 03:10 PM

i kenchan'd.

Methodical4u · 06-29-2011, 03:19 PM

I saw a G35 sport yesterday... dark blue... very clean, very tastefully modded with chrome rims on it, but it overall just looked really nice. I've always liked the G35 sports... perhaps the OP could even consider a very low miled one? I would definitely do so... quick, not fast but quick, never driven one, but i'm sure they are nice to drive.. it's an Infinity, so likely the interior is better than either the Z or the Gen coupe (though again, i've never driven one so I don't know).

OP are you only considering the RWD sports cars or are you open to anything?

ClevelandCWRU · 06-29-2011, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by FromG2Z

^ OP, the statement above is again, an opinion. He claims the Z is better looking. Again, no way to quantify that. And FWIW, that's how I feel too... lol... Z = much better looking.

I also give the styling nod to the 370Z, see my original post.

And that's exactly what I'm looking for, someone who considered both that can tell me why they prefer one over the other. Maybe this sounds totally crazy, but to me there's a huge gap in quality between a post that shares an experience, actually compares the two and draws a conclusion versus an insulting post that implies that anyone who would even consider a Genesis Coupe (or shops at Wal-Mart for that matter) is a low-class, low-intelligence person who can't differentiate between products of varying origins (especially Asian). Give me a break. I know he's just "trolling" as the internet folks call it, I shouldn't have taken the bait and responded.

I'm aware it's a Z forum, but I think it's fair to expect sound advice, which I've gotten an abundance of here already (and keep it coming!). I've gotten the same in the thread where I posted the same question on the GC forum.

To the posters who have given useful opinions and comparisons (the vast majority of folks), thank you, you've been a big help. Sorry I got off track...

As it stands now, I'm starting to lean towards the 370Z, chiefly for its powertrain. I own several VQ powered cars and love the engine series. I'm a little disappointed that the once signature smoothness is nowhere to be found in the 3.7L. You could blame it on the type of car, but the engine is the same way in the G & M too, and all VQ's have been losing that buttery-smooth torque delivery as displacement and power increased. A testament to Nissan's craftsmanship and engine design, at 224K miles, the VQ in my Maxima is to this day the absolute smoothest V6 I've ever driven.

Overall, still a tough call for me. It may come down to dealer experience. I'd have to order either one, no dealer close by has one in the color combo's I want.

DJ-of-E · 06-29-2011, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Methodical4u

I saw a G35 sport yesterday... dark blue... very clean, very tastefully modded with chrome rims on it, but it overall just looked really nice. I've always liked the G35 sports... perhaps the OP could even consider a very low miled one? I would definitely do so... quick, not fast but quick, never driven one, but i'm sure they are nice to drive.. it's an Infinity, so likely the interior is better than either the Z or the Gen coupe (though again, i've never driven one so I don't know).

For its price range, I'd rather get the new BMW 1M as you get bits of better of everything, except the maintenance cost.

Unfortunately, like everyone said, my personality would more likely make me buy a Boss Mustang for the price...and I'm Asian. =P

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FromG2Z A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Fields of Opportunities Posts: 1,406 Drives: '12 5.0, kona, 6MT Rep Power: 18	^ OP, the statement above is again, an opinion. He claims the Z is better looking. Again, no way to quantify that. And FWIW, that's how I feel too... lol... Z = much better looking. __________________ 2012 5.0 GT Prem, Kona Blue, 6MT, HID, Brembo, 3.73 -- Ordered: 9/20/11, Born on: 10/20/11, Delivered 11/15/11"Marilyn" GT500 mufflers/flaps, MGW shifter, FRPP K springs, BMR panhard bar, Boss coil covers, 3DC spoiler, Llumar Tint (35% and 20%), 3M ClearBra

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DJ-of-E Track Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Garden Grove, CA Posts: 676 Drives: 00 Toyota Celica 040 Rep Power: 15	And if you post this on the Hyundai forums, we most likely get the same answers, plus things against the 370z. At most what Genesis owners are going to say, they just like their cars and we like ours. And I respect our opinions. I mean, what better way to show our appreciation of car than to choose what we like without being crucified. Last thing I want to see is everyone owning a Toyota Camry circa 1990s. __________________

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TypeOne A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Baton Rouge, LA Posts: 2,682 Drives: BSM 370 Rep Power: 1851	I thought very seriously about buying a Gen Coupe... and am still intrigued as to the revision or facelift which is upcoming. For me, I felt like the Z was a truer sports car. That is what I wanted. I wanted the heritage, quality and performance of a Nissan Z car. That is something the Gen Coupe can't put out...even if they fill it with little tech accessories. I drove both cars in the same day and which the Gen Coupe had "leather and brembos" didn't really change the fact that it was still a Hyundai and it was the FIRST model/year version of that chassis. If you want something sporty, affordable and "ok" looking... get the Gen Coupe. If you want something that preforms better and has the heritage of a Z car, get the 370. Call me biased, but I feel the Z looks better and is higher quality in just about every area. I would take my Base + Sport over a loaded 3.8 Track any day of the week.

06-29-2011, 02:56 PM	#39 (permalink)
kenchan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: N/A Posts: 76,801 Drives: N/A Rep Power: 141521	a car of choice needs to make sense for the owner (or lessee). even if you drove 2 cars back to back and reviewed it, it's still just an opinion based on one's background. but the truth of the matter is, these are 2 very different cars targeted at 2 different demographics. i just happen to fit in the 370Z demographics more so than a genesis coupe. i'd get a new G37C over a genesis coupe if something happened to my G35C as it's non replacable. if something happened to my Z i'd get another Z. i wont be looking anywhere at a hyundai catalog that's for sure.

06-29-2011, 03:10 PM	#42 (permalink)
kenchan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: N/A Posts: 76,801 Drives: N/A Rep Power: 141521	i kenchan'd.

06-29-2011, 03:19 PM	#43 (permalink)
Methodical4u A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Maryland Posts: 1,393 Drives: 11 370 6mt pw w/sp Rep Power: 16	I saw a G35 sport yesterday... dark blue... very clean, very tastefully modded with chrome rims on it, but it overall just looked really nice. I've always liked the G35 sports... perhaps the OP could even consider a very low miled one? I would definitely do so... quick, not fast but quick, never driven one, but i'm sure they are nice to drive.. it's an Infinity, so likely the interior is better than either the Z or the Gen coupe (though again, i've never driven one so I don't know). OP are you only considering the RWD sports cars or are you open to anything?