2012 Official LineUp Changes

ImportConvert · 10-12-2011, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by RunNgun

Any word on factory equipped sound deadening for the 2012 model? I thought I read somewhere that Nissan was considering the road noise issue.

And for the record, all this talk of oil coolers means the 2012 WILL HAVE one installed as part of the base model correct? Or is it still just an addon like it always was?

Sound deadening is likely a "silent change", if it was changed. You won't hear about it, it will just happen.

Mt Tam I am · 10-12-2011, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

Then go read my post. Pobst doesn't race ALMS or LeMans for GM. People at SR did. They didn't have a problem. Pobst did.

If you can find a place where I said I personally could drive as well as Pobst, please post it, otherwise I don't know what you're belly aching about. Trying to make something out of nothing is what it looks like to me.

The claim is that you did not push the car and yet you make commentary about things that happen when folks do push the car. This is the discrepancy.

I'd laugh at any one here that claims they can drive as well as Pobst. You never claimed that.

ImportConvert · 10-12-2011, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Mt Tam I am

The claim is that you did not push the car and yet you make commentary about things that happen when folks do push the car. This is the discrepancy.

I'd laugh at any one here that claims they can drive as well as Pobst. You never claimed that.

I'm saying that Pobst the Volvo driver whined about it and yet the ALMS and LeMans driver did not, nor did I see anyone have any issues with the back end. When they wanted to move it, they did, and it moved very controllably.

Mike · 10-12-2011, 11:44 PM

don't crap on ImportConvert. I have tracked both, a lot. The Z is a hell of lot more squirrely than the vette. Yes, Randy Pobst is a great driver, and he has driven one or two of my friends' Porsches and commented on them at track days. But, has he driven a Z?

I don't discount any pro driver ever. Shields Bergstrom took me out for a 20 minute session in my C6 at VIR and while he went about 30 mph faster than me everywhere, he inspired me to pick up 10 on my own.

Just saying, the vette is a lot more stable than the Z. That doesnt mean its more fun or quicker. I get almost the same lap times as I did when I had 540 rwhp in my supercharged C6.

Also not saying the C6 is a bad car, the Z just communicates with me a lot better.

ImportConvert · 10-13-2011, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike

don't crap on ImportConvert. I have tracked both, a lot. The Z is a hell of lot more squirrely than the vette. Yes, Randy Pobst is a great driver, and he has driven one or two of my friends' Porsches and commented on them at track days. But, has he driven a Z?

I don't discount any pro driver ever. Shields Bergstrom took me out for a 20 minute session in my C6 at VIR and while he went about 30 mph faster than me everywhere, he inspired me to pick up 10 on my own.

Just saying, the vette is a lot more stable than the Z. That doesnt mean its more fun or quicker. I get almost the same lap times as I did when I had 540 rwhp in my supercharged C6.

Also not saying the C6 is a bad car, the Z just communicates with me a lot better.

If I drive a 370Z like I drive my Z06, am I going to find myself in a ditch?

It's just the more I drive my Z06, the more I realize that 505hp is badass and fun, but it's going to eventually get me into more trouble than razor-edged handling will, and I would like to re-allocate my cash-flow in the next 2 years.

I'm sure when I get whatever I get, I will miss it, lol. Grass is greener...

The 370Z will give me 90% of the fun my Z06 does at only 50% of the cost, is the way I am seeing it now.

Pharmacist · 10-13-2011, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike

don't crap on ImportConvert. I have tracked both, a lot. The Z is a hell of lot more squirrely than the vette.

Also not saying the C6 is a bad car, the Z just communicates with me a lot better.

I thought the Z understeers? Pretty strange you find it more squirrely than a corvette. Was it modified or still stock?

onzedge · 10-13-2011, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

If I drive a 370Z like I drive my Z06, am I going to find myself in a ditch?

It's just the more I drive my Z06, the more I realize that 505hp is badass and fun, but it's going to eventually get me into more trouble than razor-edged handling will, and I would like to re-allocate my cash-flow in the next 2 years.

I'm sure when I get whatever I get, I will miss it, lol. Grass is greener...

The 370Z will give me 90% of the fun my Z06 does at only 50% of the cost, is the way I am seeing it now.

This is well-stated.

FL 4Motion · 10-13-2011, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

If I drive a 370Z like I drive my Z06, am I going to find myself in a ditch?

It's just the more I drive my Z06, the more I realize that 505hp is badass and fun, but it's going to eventually get me into more trouble than razor-edged handling will, and I would like to re-allocate my cash-flow in the next 2 years.

I'm sure when I get whatever I get, I will miss it, lol. Grass is greener...

The 370Z will give me 90% of the fun my Z06 does at only 50% of the cost, is the way I am seeing it now.

/\ most likely to be the case. Life is a series of compromises for the most part. I personally think you are smart to be getting into a house w/n the next couple of years, even if that means giving up (perhaps only temporarily) your Z06. It's a smarter move for your future (assuming you buy in an area you plan/want to stay at for a long time).

ImportConvert · 10-13-2011, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by FL 4Motion

/\ most likely to be the case. Life is a series of compromises for the most part. I personally think you are smart to be getting into a house w/n the next couple of years, even if that means giving up (perhaps only temporarily) your Z06. It's a smarter move for your future (assuming you buy in an area you plan/want to stay at for a long time).

That is my plan. I knew I would not stay where I am now, and I was depressed. I went to work, came home to my 500sq-foot apartment, went shooting, surfed the internet, pumped iron. I did all that crap before I graduated college and love it, but I wanted something TANGIBLE to remind me of the fact that I have a job other than the work and helping people.

The Z06 was it. I love it, and would buy it again in a heartbeat. It makes those 12 hour shifts worth it when the patients obviously don't care about their health, and everything seems to "go wrong". I love helping people, but when they don't want to be helped--it's just about money at that point.

I think the 370Z will afford me a helluva fun time and still allow me to buy a house. Plan is to move, finance some land, pay it off in 3-4 years, and then apply it as collateral for a home loan. By then I will know whether or not that is a permanent location for me. If not, sell the land and start over. It will have appreciated.

I really hope Nissan puts a bit more oomph in the 370Z by the time I buy, but the Camaro is a pig, the mustang doesn't appeal to me although I respect it greatly, the 'vette is a bit more note than I want while saving for a home, and the Genesis,STI,EVO just don't do it for me. The 370Z finally got an oil cooler and I always liked the looks of it inside and out and when I drove a few the ride was soft (compared to my Z06) yet the car felt pretty well planted.

FL 4Motion · 10-14-2011, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

That is my plan. I knew I would not stay where I am now, and I was depressed. I went to work, came home to my 500sq-foot apartment, went shooting, surfed the internet, pumped iron. I did all that crap before I graduated college and love it, but I wanted something TANGIBLE to remind me of the fact that I have a job other than the work and helping people.

The Z06 was it. I love it, and would buy it again in a heartbeat. It makes those 12 hour shifts worth it when the patients obviously don't care about their health, and everything seems to "go wrong". I love helping people, but when they don't want to be helped--it's just about money at that point.

I think the 370Z will afford me a helluva fun time and still allow me to buy a house. Plan is to move, finance some land, pay it off in 3-4 years, and then apply it as collateral for a home loan. By then I will know whether or not that is a permanent location for me. If not, sell the land and start over. It will have appreciated.

I really hope Nissan puts a bit more oomph in the 370Z by the time I buy, but the Camaro is a pig, the mustang doesn't appeal to me although I respect it greatly, the 'vette is a bit more note than I want while saving for a home, and the Genesis,STI,EVO just don't do it for me. The 370Z finally got an oil cooler and I always liked the looks of it inside and out and when I drove a few the ride was soft (compared to my Z06) yet the car felt pretty well planted.

I doubt we'll see any significant improvements HP wise until the Z35 chassis comes out (most likely around 2014-15ish) but it's still a fun car to tool around in regardless.

ImportConvert · 10-14-2011, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by FL 4Motion

I doubt we'll see any significant improvements HP wise until the Z35 chassis comes out (most likely around 2014-15ish) but it's still a fun car to tool around in regardless.

Kindof stuck on a fence here. I want to wait and see the Z35 and the C7. I feel like if I bought in '13, I might feel like a '10 mustang GT owner and hate my car for the next 5-6 years, as I plan on keeping this one a while.

Red__Zed · 10-14-2011, 07:41 AM

Waiting on the c7 makes sense, but it's unlikely the z is gonna get a major refresh. It didnt sell well, and Nissan doesnt have another engine ready for it....not gonna do a new motor for a 10k a year car....

ImportConvert · 10-14-2011, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

Waiting on the c7 makes sense, but it's unlikely the z is gonna get a major refresh. It didnt sell well, and Nissan doesnt have another engine ready for it....not gonna do a new motor for a 10k a year car....

Your assessment is logical, but one can hope.

Why bother with an oil-cooler at this stage in the game? Yet...

I mean, I can hope, yes?

Red__Zed · 10-14-2011, 08:33 AM

I think Nissan is just gonna ride the current design as long as it keeps selling, maybe with minor updates...oil cooler this year, maybe brake ducting and a new bumper in two years....

FL 4Motion · 10-14-2011, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

I think Nissan is just gonna ride the current design as long as it keeps selling, maybe with minor updates...oil cooler this year, maybe brake ducting and a new bumper in two years....

IF, the G37 gets DI, and it's still the same 3.7 motor and will "drop right into" the current Z, we could def see that improvement, would be good for a small hp bump and small mpg improvement as well. That's probably the best performance improvement this gen Z can hope for I think.

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Mike The370Z.com Sponsor Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Loganville, GA Posts: 5,944 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 2186	don't crap on ImportConvert. I have tracked both, a lot. The Z is a hell of lot more squirrely than the vette. Yes, Randy Pobst is a great driver, and he has driven one or two of my friends' Porsches and commented on them at track days. But, has he driven a Z? I don't discount any pro driver ever. Shields Bergstrom took me out for a 20 minute session in my C6 at VIR and while he went about 30 mph faster than me everywhere, he inspired me to pick up 10 on my own. Just saying, the vette is a lot more stable than the Z. That doesnt mean its more fun or quicker. I get almost the same lap times as I did when I had 540 rwhp in my supercharged C6. Also not saying the C6 is a bad car, the Z just communicates with me a lot better. __________________ NISSAN: 75 280Z / 86 300ZX GLL /87 Sentra SE / 03 350Z / 23 Z Porsche: 93 968 / 23 Macan GTS / 93 968

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Red__Zed A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: window seat Posts: 28,940 Drives: Mostly on two wheels Rep Power: 120	Waiting on the c7 makes sense, but it's unlikely the z is gonna get a major refresh. It didnt sell well, and Nissan doesnt have another engine ready for it....not gonna do a new motor for a 10k a year car....

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Red__Zed A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: window seat Posts: 28,940 Drives: Mostly on two wheels Rep Power: 120	I think Nissan is just gonna ride the current design as long as it keeps selling, maybe with minor updates...oil cooler this year, maybe brake ducting and a new bumper in two years....