Insurance Institute announces that the Z (350) tops the most fatality list

USMCASA · 06-09-2011, 02:44 PM

to be honest, who wouldn't want to go out in there Z? much cooler than death by a spider bite on your butt or falling off a ladder.

dad · 06-09-2011, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

Looks to me like the mustang GT had a lot less problems relating to medical injury than the 350Z did. I rest my case.

SeattleLion · 06-09-2011, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad

I don't like crash ratings. It has made all cars fatter and less maneuverable. More likely to survive an accident, but less likely to brake or swerve in time to avoid one.

The Z isn't crash rated. The Insurance Institute doesn't test them because there aren't enough sold. Neither the 350 or 370 have been crash tested.

dad · 06-09-2011, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by SeattleLion

The Z isn't crash rated. The Insurance Institute doesn't test them because there aren't enough sold. Neither the 350 or 370 have been crash tested.

Wrong!
Google

Econ · 06-09-2011, 04:09 PM

SeattleLion · 06-09-2011, 04:12 PM

It seems that there are a couple of themes here:

The 350, in particular, is bought by inexperienced or reckless drivers. Ok, maybe that is true. However as pointed out, Mustangs are in a similar price bracket and are way safer in terms of both fatalities and insurance claims for collision, etc. So, if drivers are to blame, are we claiming that the 350 is a magnet for people prone to overdrive their skills?

The design is flawed. This is very interesting. Both the 350 and 370 are true rear wheel driven sports cars. While many complain about the VDC, it is way less aggressive than stability controls on other cars. The 370 sport (not sure about base) comes equipped with summer tires. These tires are less-than-sticky below 50 deg F and not incredible on very wet surfaces. Perhaps that contributes to the problem. I never drove a 350, but my 370 is not tail happy at all and is very difficult to drive into understeer with the VDC on. I tried hard to make it understeer when I took HPD school a couple of months ago. I had to push to 60mph before I could get it to slip. Even then, it recovered almost instantly.

Most of us have been driving 370's for a while. Nobody on this thread pointed out any obvious safety issues (at least so far). There has to be a reason for the 350 ending up as the car with the most fatalities per million registered vehicles. The 370 is certainly an improvement over the 350, but it is also smaller and more powerful. I've noticed that SUV's have a habit of trying to cross into my lane when they are right next to me. It's happened at least 5 times in the 9 months I have had my Z. Could it be that blind spot crashes on freeways is the killer? Anyone notice any consistent issues that could cause a fatal crash?

kenchan · 06-09-2011, 04:14 PM

most of these crashes probably happened due to stupidity.
i suppose there is a survival of the fittest going on here... be smart drive safe.

FromG2Z · 06-09-2011, 04:22 PM

This statistic is further proof that if the 350Z had Miata doors, it would be at the BOTTOM of the list of fatalities.

We need to start a petition, in the name of safety, to have Nissan issue a TSB/recall to install Miata doors on our 370's.

shadoquad · 06-09-2011, 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SeattleLion

It seems that there are a couple of themes here:

The 350, in particular, is bought by inexperienced or reckless drivers. Ok, maybe that is true. However as pointed out, Mustangs are in a similar price bracket and are way safer in terms of both fatalities and insurance claims for collision, etc. So, if drivers are to blame, are we claiming that the 350 is a magnet for people prone to overdrive their skills?

The design is flawed. This is very interesting. Both the 350 and 370 are true rear wheel driven sports cars. While many complain about the VDC, it is way less aggressive than stability controls on other cars. The 370 sport (not sure about base) comes equipped with summer tires. These tires are less-than-sticky below 50 deg F and not incredible on very wet surfaces. Perhaps that contributes to the problem. I never drove a 350, but my 370 is not tail happy at all and is very difficult to drive into understeer with the VDC on. I tried hard to make it understeer when I took HPD school a couple of months ago. I had to push to 60mph before I could get it to slip. Even then, it recovered almost instantly.

Most of us have been driving 370's for a while. Nobody on this thread pointed out any obvious safety issues (at least so far). There has to be a reason for the 350 ending up as the car with the most fatalities per million registered vehicles. The 370 is certainly an improvement over the 350, but it is also smaller and more powerful. I've noticed that SUV's have a habit of trying to cross into my lane when they are right next to me. It's happened at least 5 times in the 9 months I have had my Z. Could it be that blind spot crashes on freeways is the killer? Anyone notice any consistent issues that could cause a fatal crash?

Base model comes with summer tires, too. And they're really slick in winter.

Can't ignore that the Z has terrible rear visibility and is a smaller car than the Mustang, which makes it less visible on the road.

cptspeed · 06-09-2011, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by cossie1600

People don't realize the 350 is a lot more tail happy than the 370, most of the drivers can't drive it.

I think the 350 was much easier to control in a drift than the 370!

cossie1600 · 06-09-2011, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by cptspeed

I think the 350 was much easier to control in a drift than the 370!

majority of drivers cant drive sideways....

seattlelion, you drive a 350 and you will understand how it is easier to crash a 350. the extreme stagger and abls really make it tougher to drive sideways on the 370

6MT · 06-09-2011, 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FromG2Z

This statistic is further proof that if the 350Z had Miata doors, it would be at the BOTTOM of the list of fatalities.

We need to start a petition, in the name of safety, to have Nissan issue a TSB/recall to install Miata doors on our 370's.

m4a1mustang · 06-09-2011, 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FromG2Z

This statistic is further proof that if the 350Z had Miata doors, it would be at the BOTTOM of the list of fatalities.

We need to start a petition, in the name of safety, to have Nissan issue a TSB/recall to install Miata doors on our 370's.

Agreed!

Mt Tam I am · 06-09-2011, 06:33 PM

Did the 350 have a VDC? People talk about the 370 as a widow maker without VDC. I think it is too much car too little skill.

dad · 06-09-2011, 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mt Tam I am

Did the 350 have a VDC? People talk about the 370 as a widow maker without VDC. I think it is too much car too little skill.

Yes, the 350 had VDC.

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USMCASA A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: NC Posts: 1,152 Drives: 09 370z CY M6 Rep Power: 18	to be honest, who wouldn't want to go out in there Z? much cooler than death by a spider bite on your butt or falling off a ladder.

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SeattleLion Base Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Seattle WA Posts: 226 Drives: '13 Mustang GT Prem. Rep Power: 234	It seems that there are a couple of themes here: The 350, in particular, is bought by inexperienced or reckless drivers. Ok, maybe that is true. However as pointed out, Mustangs are in a similar price bracket and are way safer in terms of both fatalities and insurance claims for collision, etc. So, if drivers are to blame, are we claiming that the 350 is a magnet for people prone to overdrive their skills? The design is flawed. This is very interesting. Both the 350 and 370 are true rear wheel driven sports cars. While many complain about the VDC, it is way less aggressive than stability controls on other cars. The 370 sport (not sure about base) comes equipped with summer tires. These tires are less-than-sticky below 50 deg F and not incredible on very wet surfaces. Perhaps that contributes to the problem. I never drove a 350, but my 370 is not tail happy at all and is very difficult to drive into understeer with the VDC on. I tried hard to make it understeer when I took HPD school a couple of months ago. I had to push to 60mph before I could get it to slip. Even then, it recovered almost instantly. Most of us have been driving 370's for a while. Nobody on this thread pointed out any obvious safety issues (at least so far). There has to be a reason for the 350 ending up as the car with the most fatalities per million registered vehicles. The 370 is certainly an improvement over the 350, but it is also smaller and more powerful. I've noticed that SUV's have a habit of trying to cross into my lane when they are right next to me. It's happened at least 5 times in the 9 months I have had my Z. Could it be that blind spot crashes on freeways is the killer? Anyone notice any consistent issues that could cause a fatal crash?

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kenchan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: N/A Posts: 76,801 Drives: N/A Rep Power: 141521	most of these crashes probably happened due to stupidity. i suppose there is a survival of the fittest going on here... be smart drive safe.