Top 3 SEXIEST cars

Zaggeron · 06-10-2011, 07:16 PM

The NSX was a supercar when it first came out -- fastest ring lap for a production vehicle at the time. Further improvements to power were hindered during the '90s by Japan's 276 HP limit -- any Japanese car sold in the JDM could not exceed 276 HP. Given that situation during the 90s I'm guessing that not a lot of effort was put into making higher power engines. So when the update for the model finally came out, it was too little too late.

I would still rather have one of those than almost any American car made in the last 20 years.

Isamu · 06-10-2011, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Zaggeron

The NSX was a supercar when it first came out -- fastest ring lap for a production vehicle at the time. Further improvements to power were hindered during the '90s by Japan's 276 HP limit -- any Japanese car sold in the JDM could not exceed 276 HP. Given that situation during the 90s I'm guessing that not a lot of effort was put into making higher power engines. So when the update for the model finally came out, it was too little too late.

I would still rather have one of those than almost any American car made in the last 20 years.

that's not entirely true bro. The 3000GT VR-4, The Supra TT, the 300ZX TT, the Skyline GTR all made above 276..infact most of them had right around 320... minus the ZX.

Zaggeron · 06-11-2011, 07:44 AM

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that's not entirely true bro. The 3000GT VR-4, The Supra TT, the 300ZX TT, the Skyline GTR all made above 276..infact most of them had right around 320... minus the ZX.

You are right that there were exceptiions, but in general the manufacturers kept to their agreement. They had higher horsepower models built for their racing series. Also, there were some special "one-off" versions of some of the cars that exceeded this limit and sometimes the advertised horse power was at that limit, but the actual HP was greater.

Some of the models had "export" versions with higher horsepower -- Supra the mkIV is an example of this.

From wikipedia

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twin turbocharged Toyota 2JZ-GTE making 276 hp (206 kW; 280 PS) and 318 ft·lb (431 N·m) of torque for the Japanese version. For the export model (America/Europe) Toyota upgraded the Supra turbo's engine (smaller, steel wheeled turbochargers, bigger fuel injectors, etc.). This increased the power output to 320 hp (239 kW; 324 PS) at 5600 rpm and 315 ft·lb (427 N·m) at 4000 rpm

Here's an except from the Nissan Skyline GT-R page on Wikipedia

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In February 2002 Nissan released a final production model of the R34 GT-R called the Skyline GT-R V-spec II Nür and the Skyline GT-R M-spec Nür. The Nür was named after the famous German Nürburgring racetrack, where the Skyline was developed. In total 1000 R34 GT-R Nür(s) were made, 750 were V-Spec II Nürs' and 250 M-Spec Nürs'. The Nür model featured an improved RB26DETT based on the N1 racing engine. The standard turbochargers were upgraded to larger versions with a slight increase in boost and the ceramic blades were replaced with steel versions. This has increased lag, but to compensate the turbo's durability was improved while being able to handle a bigger boost increase. This allowed tuners to increase the boost safely with standard turbos up to 340 kW (450 hp) at the crank. The V-spec II Nür is based on the regular V-spec II model, and the M-spec Nür was based on the regular M-spec model. Other than the addition of the Nür engine, the Nür models also included a different color of stitching on the interior trim, as well as a speedometer reading up to 300 km/h (186 mph). Due to then-current Japanese law the car was advertised as having 206 kW (276 hp) but it actually had over 246 kW (330 hp) when it left factory.

See also:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_domestic_market

onzedge · 06-11-2011, 09:00 AM

^^ Good stuff.

Isamu · 06-11-2011, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Zaggeron

You are right that there were exceptiions, but in general the manufacturers kept to their agreement. They had higher horsepower models built for their racing series. Also, there were some special "one-off" versions of some of the cars that exceeded this limit and sometimes the advertised horse power was at that limit, but the actual HP was greater

it wasn't even a gentlemans agreement, that's more of a rumor, then truth. It was more about JGTC rulings with the GT300 class racing..

The JGTC or All-Japan Grand Touring Championship (I hate to say it, but if you've ever played Gran Turismo 2 or 3 then you'll recognize the name VERY quickly) is a prestigious race series in Japan, similar to our NASCAR in popularity. It was created in 1994 and it's governing body the GT-A has VERY strict rules/regulations. The JGTC is seperated into 2 classes the GT 500 & GT 300; the numbers designate the ROUGH hp limits for cars competing in those classes. Motor swaps are restricted to the same manufacturer and the car's body MUST be mostly stock and functional. Aero mods and suspension tweaks are the very limit of what is allowed, so in essence it is mostly stock VS stock, especially in the GT 300 class; are you beginning to see the picture?

While anything from Vipers to Ferraris to Lambos compete in the GT 500, the 300 is more homegrown. The cars that traditionally competed in the GT 300 class were the cream-of-the-crop of all of the Japanese auto manufacturers, and it's line-up consisted of cars like the Mazda FD-3S RX-7, the Mitsu 3000 GT (GTO) and after wards the EVO, the Nissan 300ZX & Skyline, the Honda NSX, the Toyota Supra, and a few others. Ok, now are you seeing a logical trend here?!?

The JDM manufacturers wanted each of their flagship cars to be able to compete against one another without engine modification within the limits of the GT 300 Class horsepower limitations, so they all "claimed" that none of their cars made over 280 hp at the crank (but most of them underrated their vehicle's capabilities, in essense they all cheated). What better way to advertise your flagship car and prove that yours is better than your competitors than by having your mostly stock sportscar kick theirs' *** in the most prestigious, most watched racing circuit in all of Japan?!? It also made it easier for a potential team/owner to field a GT 300 Class car instead of a 500 because it was much cheaper since no engine mods would be needed. That made the GT 300 more popular than the GT 500, although the "big brother" Class attracted fans of the exotics.

b1adesofcha0s · 06-11-2011, 02:26 PM

Isamu · 06-11-2011, 02:26 PM

troof brah! <3

Zaggeron · 06-11-2011, 02:30 PM

^^ thanks for clarifying.

It sounds like the full story is still more or less compatible with my conjecture was that their energies were more directed to getting better performance out of their relatively low power sports cars through handling and balance improvements rather than raw HP.

Isamu · 06-11-2011, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Zaggeron

^^ thanks for clarifying.

It sounds like the full story is still more or less compatible with my conjecture was that their energies were more directed to getting better performance out of their relatively low power sports cars through handling and balance improvements rather than raw HP.

I wouldn't say relatively low tho, at least not in the ninties
I like JGTC way more than NASCAR btw.. just sayin

Zaggeron · 06-11-2011, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Isamu

I wouldn't say relatively low tho, at least not in the ninties
I like JGTC way more than NASCAR btw.. just sayin

Road circuits FTW!! But, frankly, I like almost any races where motorized vehicles are involved

Anyway, remember that my original post was a conjecture on why the NSX, as a supercar, was underpowered in the late 90s early 2ks.

Isamu · 06-11-2011, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Zaggeron

Road circuits FTW!! But, frankly, I like almost any races where motorized vehicles are involved

Anyway, remember that my original post was a conjecture on why the NSX, as a supercar, was underpowered in the late 90s early 2ks.

its not really a super car tho. imho, its a nice car, but not a super car

Zaggeron · 06-11-2011, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Isamu

its not really a super car tho. imho, its a nice car, but not a super car

You're right in that by the end of the 90s it wasn't a super car, but if the 911 turbo S, 458 italia, etc. are currently super cars, then the NSX was a super car in 1990 -- the predecessors of those cars were what the NSX was designed to compete against.

But it didn't evolve and by the time it ended production it was way behind the class of car it was designed to compete against -- Ferrari went from the 348 to the 355 to the 360 all while the NSX was basically unchanged.

All my opinion of course

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