can't decide if this is the right car for me

happytheman

/\ Whoa!

Hambone1

I'm flattered that you are able to give me credit for having a say in Mazda's business strategies, however, I must admit I really played only a tiny part. I'm just curious, how would you quantify my significant involvement in killing the RX-8? By saying that it really will never catch on as a mainstream technology, which has been born out time and again with solid numbers such as sales figures? Or was it my point saying maybe it's time to cut their losses, raid a parts bin that by all accounts is vastly improved, and use said parts to make the product better? Furthermore, if you wouldn't mind finding me a nice route that the common commuter has to work where they are able to maintain high revs the majority of the time, I'd appreciate it.

cossie1600

Here is a little history lesson for you.

The 1st and 2nd gen RX-7s were extremely popular sports car. They were popular because they had great performance for the buck and they were practical up to a point. It competed extremely well with the Z cars and the Supra. It was definitely a mainstream car as everyone knew what that car was. It was like the 350Z in the 80s. 1st and 2nd gen were success in every possible way, 3rd gen was a failure from a business point of view.

On the RX-8, the car was actually not a failure. It did what it was suppose to do, revived the rotary engine. The problem is that they didn't do a good enough job R&Ding, improving, marketing it or selling it. Once again, it goes back to the morons who run the company and the parent company at its time (Ford). If they had improved on the car to make it better, the car would be a even bigger sucesss. There is a reason why they sold way more 04 and 05 than all other years combined.

Hambone1

I just love remedial history lessons. Thanks Wikipedia! If you read closely, you will note I never said it was a failure as a vehicle on it's own merits, I said it was a sales failure. Car and Driver has an article today, discussing how the RX9 will not be happening, and the RX8 sold 291 units in the 1st quarter of 2011. That is a business failure, unless you happen to be an Italian manufacturer. It isn't even financially feasible to do a final run special edition, simply due to zero interest. Yes, it revived the rotary engine. Yes it sold a ton of cars in the first run. No it was not kept current or handled very well on the business end. You have valid points. However, going so far as to suggest I single handedly sunk the RX8 is slightly extreme. Next time might want tone it down a bit slugger

happytheman

Umm, while this was all fun to watch (kinda like watching John McEnroe back in the 80's) how does it help the OP make a decision? Please put your pencils down and hand in your work, because your time is up!

Z_ealot

wow, someone hit a nerve and yet somehow i feel like i stumbled into a commercial for Mazda and on a "Z" forum of all places...in all seriousness what the hell brought all that on cossie?

Hambone1

In between blowing his load for rotary engines and driving his Prius, I think his feelings must have gotten a boo boo

Hambone1

P.S. guys, keep in mind this is a guy who wanted to file a class action lawsuit on Nissan, because he didn't know that the "miles to empty" readout in the car was an estimate. Just saying

Z_ealot

Oh yes now i remember, i also commented on that thread a while back myself and specifically recall letting him know that the miles to empty gauge was an estimate and not a factual statement of how many miles are left to go before empty. Back on topic though, when i was researching on which car i was going to get next the RX-8 also popped into my head as a possible choice. I quickly discovered all the pitfalls of the wankel engine and all the problems that people have been having with those engines and the RX-8 quickly became a "no way in hell" for me, not to mention i got through talking to an actual mazda service technician that i swapped parts with on my cobalt and he personally told me that the RX-8 has the most problems out of any car mazda sells. Hell he even told me that they currently had 2 RX-8's in their service shop that had to be towed there because of engine issues. While the 370Z also has some issues of its own they seem to be far less widespread than the RX-8's problems and also after actually taking a test drive in one needless to say i was hooked after that.

ImportConvert

But guys...the RX8 owns the 370Z in hp/L!!111!!!1!!

Z_ealot

^^lol, so does a mo-ped, but no way in hell am i sporting one of those around town

cossie1600

Given you don't even know how the engine works and the history about it, you might want to keep your comments to yourself. As someone who had a 350Z, 2 RX-8s, has a 370Z and other types of sports car, I think I can give some unbias opinions on it.

Ford's ecoboost engines are loosely based on the MZR motor by Mazda, do some research.

cossie1600

I don't disagree with you one bit about it being a sales failure, especially with the second gen RX-8. Of course you can look no further than the 370Z to see how it is becoming a sales failure too. My point is that if Mazda had done a better job with the car, they wouldn't put themselves in a situation where they ruined the car's reputation and the overall performance of the vehicle. If you are going to go around spreading rumors, at least get your $hit straight. I don't love the RX-8, but I don't hate them either. I just hate to hear all these people pissing on it because some idiots don't understand how the motor work or some people are too lazy to check the oil level.

nynhex

Wow, this thread has become totally retarded. Reminds me of MSF forums.

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