Can someone explain Nissan's mentality to me.

kenchan · 05-18-2011, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by SeattleLion

I don't think that the Z will disappear again. Modern car plants can produce multiple models on the same line. Once the cost of dies, tooling, etc are invested, it isn't particularly difficult to support a low volume model.

shesha · 05-18-2011, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Like everyone else has said, it's the economy. Even look at Mustang sales figures... they are way down compared to years past. It's very hard to justify the purchase of an impractical car that drinks premium gasoline when the national unemployment rate is as high as it is.

When the 370Z was approved by NISSAN it was done so under the assumption that they would sell 30,000 units in the first year, similar to 350Z sales. In 2009 they only sold 10,000, and it's looking like it will take them three full model years to reach that 30,000 figure. It's tough to make a $30k 2-seat sports car work in this economy.

If this were 2005 or 2006 they'd probably be selling three times as many.

Right, so why do the sales dept. at Nissan still have this "ehhhh take it or leave it. We don't budge on this car" Attitude?

USMCASA · 05-18-2011, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by MRMONROE

Here in NC, the 370's are pretty common. The Nissan dealers here are pretty willing to "wheel and deal." I see the coupes very often, but I only see the roadsters (like mine) every so often. However, I must agree with you that the 350's were much more common. I had 2 of them and always saw them EVERYWHERE.

must be that way down in charlotte. up around raleigh i'm lucky if i see maybe 3-4 a month and some months i don't see any at all.

GZ3 · 05-18-2011, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by shesha

Right, so why do the sales dept. at Nissan still have this "ehhhh take it or leave it. We don't budge on this car" Attitude?

attitude is strictly a subjective perception lol

also cause its "exlcusivveeee"

kielbasa16 · 05-18-2011, 03:07 PM

You have to shop around at different dealerships to find the ones that are willing to negotiate a fair price. That and I feel like dealerships have been playing the Japanese disaster card. In 2010 I found an incredible deal on a left over 2009, but it was 3 hours away.

Drex · 05-18-2011, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by kielbasa16

You have to shop around at different dealerships to find the ones that are willing to negotiate a fair price. That and I feel like dealerships have been playing the Japanese disaster card. In 2010 I found an incredible deal on a left over 2009, but it was 3 hours away.

the first dealership i went to told me they weren't likely to make anymore z's due to the tsunami, so i should buy their overpriced one today. i walked out.

2 other dealerships i went to still had 2010's on the lot that they desperately wanted to get rid of, but they weren't the right color/options for me.

akong51 · 05-18-2011, 05:11 PM

I've had my Z for about three weeks now. What initially struck me as odd, was in that in that time frame, I had not seen another 370Z on the road. Not a single one! Living in Southern California, you see all kinds of cars everyday...but not in the case of the 370Z.

I actually have no problem with this...just makes me feel like I'm driving a special car...not like every Tom, D!ck and Harry who's rolling a 3-series.

11Thumper · 05-18-2011, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianMSmith

The 350Z was produced during the time when everyone thought they were rich due to the housing bubble, and bought more than they could afford. The 350Z was everywhere in my neighborhood, sort of like mosquitos; most of of them (and other $30k plus cars) were bought with second mortgages (helocs) and other dodgy home financing (like $20k cash back on a 40 year zero percent for 3 years arm). I rarely see new cars on the road these days, and most of the new ones are Ford F series trucks, which have always been the best selling vehicles world wide. With the economy back to normal (ish), at least closer to normal than during the bubble, you will not see many new cars on the road that are priced over $25k (like we used to see), which is about the "affordable" car price for the average individual income (a single person with one income), according to historically typical economic trends. And the thing about history, is that it always repeats itself when it comes to physics, and that includes economics, which is a type of social physics.

Pretty right on the money with most parts. I remember when I got my S2000 back in 2005 (new) it was no big deal and everyone in my community was getting some nice new car (or cars). I bought a new house in a new housing development with a standard 30-year mortgage and down payment that I spent a while saving for. I moved away from the house this year and it's a rental now, but it's only worth 60% of what I owe on it. Of the 50 homes in my community over 15 have gone through foreclosure, and 6 are currently going through the process. Great judgement with those 5-year ARMs!

It's rediculous that we let people be this stupid and back out of it. Every month I lose $500 on my rental home because the market is so crappy. In a steady economy I should be able to cover my mortgage with rental income (with a proper loan like I have).

I've had a few people I know tell me I'm being foolish and wasting my $ buying a new sports car in this economy. I've been told (amazing to hear btw) that it's probably something I can't really afford if I give it proper thought. It's ironic how people now act as though they know everything considering two of the three people who have said this to me foreclosed on their homes already. Of course, they drive nice cars that were purchased a few years back on HELOCs. Now they live in apartments!

DJ-of-E · 05-18-2011, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by akong51

I've had my Z for about three weeks now. What initially struck me as odd, was in that in that time frame, I had not seen another 370Z on the road. Not a single one! Living in Southern California, you see all kinds of cars everyday...but not in the case of the 370Z.

I actually have no problem with this...just makes me feel like I'm driving a special car...not like every Tom, D!ck and Harry who's rolling a 3-series.

Yep, I feel special, too!.....until I drove to Irvine.

The thing is...it's a Nissan brand thing. Every person and their mother wants to own an Infinite, Acura, BMW, Mercedes, and Lexus. If this was an Infinite 370z, there be a whole lot of sales. I mean, I see more G37 on the road than 370z.

Waiz · 05-18-2011, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jaedub

U.S. is in a economic shltstorm......no other reason.

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Originally Posted by KillerBee370

This.

It's a 2 seater sports car.

cfweber · 05-18-2011, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by shesha

The 350z seemed like a hot selling car. I owned a g35 at the time. It seemed like everyone and their mother owned a 350. In 2009 I leased a 370. 2 years later I see other 370s every once in a while.

Is it because Nissan doesn't budge on 370 negotiations? Why hasn't the 370 sold as well. I don't mind as it makes me feel like I own a more rare car, but what is Nissan thinking. As far as sales numbers go? Has the 370 been a failure? Why doesnt the dealership offer better deals?

I just don't get it.

In 15 months my lease is up, what should I get?

In 15 months we'll have new choices on top of the present available models

now, I'd go with Porsche if I could make it happen.

EgoTrip · 05-19-2011, 08:12 AM

Personally, I waited till they finally had a financing deal before I got my Z. It's a great car, but I just can't bring myself to EVER pay sticker price for any car. That means I'll never be first on my block to have the cool new toy, but I'm OK with that.

DJ-of-E · 05-19-2011, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by EgoTrip

Personally, I waited till they finally had a financing deal before I got my Z. It's a great car, but I just can't bring myself to EVER pay sticker price for any car. That means I'll never be first on my block to have the cool new toy, but I'm OK with that.

Yeap, someone else will have a new toy whether it's a new car or new paint on the house. I, for one, like new paint on the house. =P

Hambone1 · 05-19-2011, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ-of-E

Yep, I feel special, too!.....until I drove to Irvine.

The thing is...it's a Nissan brand thing. Every person and their mother wants to own an Infinite, Acura, BMW, Mercedes, and Lexus. If this was an Infinite 370z, there be a whole lot of sales. I mean, I see more G37 on the road than 370z.

If you find an Infinite anything, buy at whatever price they ask, that is one rare car. In all seriousness, it's fairly straightforward as to why the sales of the 370Z are low. Most people in this economy looking in the $30-40k range are looking long term as they are not sure when the economy will come back. The Z is not a long term car for MOST people, as a daily or even second family vehicle. In addition, like someone said before, you can buy a late run 350 for essentially pennies on the dollar, while even 09 370's are still holding value well. Plain and simple, most people don't have the money or desire to buy what is an impractical, low volume car, and the ones that do either did it a few years back and are holding, or are going upmarket.

chuckd05 · 05-19-2011, 04:41 PM

It's because everyone was waiting for the 5.0. Duh....

05-18-2011, 03:07 PM	#35 (permalink)
kielbasa16 Track Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: NY Posts: 770 Drives: 09 Blk Z Spt Rep Power: 17	You have to shop around at different dealerships to find the ones that are willing to negotiate a fair price. That and I feel like dealerships have been playing the Japanese disaster card. In 2010 I found an incredible deal on a left over 2009, but it was 3 hours away. __________________ Mag Black Kielbasa

05-18-2011, 05:11 PM	#37 (permalink)
akong51 Base Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 52 Drives: 2011 Nissan 370Z Rep Power: 14	I've had my Z for about three weeks now. What initially struck me as odd, was in that in that time frame, I had not seen another 370Z on the road. Not a single one! Living in Southern California, you see all kinds of cars everyday...but not in the case of the 370Z. I actually have no problem with this...just makes me feel like I'm driving a special car...not like every Tom, D!ck and Harry who's rolling a 3-series. __________________ 2011 Nissan 370z \| Magnetic Black \| 6MT *GReddy SE \| Swift* Spec-R \| H&R 20mm \| GT-R Ignition Start \| NISMO Carbon Fiber Shift Knob**

05-19-2011, 04:41 PM	#45 (permalink)
chuckd05 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: NY Posts: 2,391 Drives: No longer a Z Rep Power: 19	It's because everyone was waiting for the 5.0. Duh.... __________________ 09 370Z 6M PW - FBO Best 1/4 mile = 12.926 @ 109 SOLD -- 08 BMW 135i - FBO 12.1@120mph SOLD -- white 09 e92 335 Coupe Mtech - 11.9 @ 119 :-)

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EgoTrip Base Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Milwaukee Posts: 32 Drives: 2010 370Z Roadster Rep Power: 15	Personally, I waited till they finally had a financing deal before I got my Z. It's a great car, but I just can't bring myself to EVER pay sticker price for any car. That means I'll never be first on my block to have the cool new toy, but I'm OK with that.