Nissan Ester Oil

Pointman · 09-26-2009, 10:54 PM

Just tell me what to run already!

VCuomo · 09-27-2009, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Pointman

Just tell me what to run already!

Look at the bazillions of cars on the road that are in fine shape - many of those cars have had well over 100K miles on their engines WITHOUT EVER even having a synthetic oil fill! Many years ago I owned a '65 Rambler American sedan that never had synthetic in it (back then there was no synthetic available) - when I junked it it had almost 90K miles on the engine and, although the rest of the car was crap, the engine still ran fine. And then there was my 1983 Subaru wagon that had almost 200K miles on its engine (no rebuild or major work done on the drivetrain) before it was junked. I currently own a '98 Dodge Durango with almost 90K miles on its engine - it's never had anything in it except for 5W30 non-synthetic oil (mostly Pennzoil) and it still runs strong.

I'm old school - just make sure you put in the correct W oil for your driving conditions (for most, that would be 5W30), make sure it has API certification, and change it regularly at 3K to 5K mile intervals and you will be fine no matter what you brand or type (non-synthetic, synthetic, or synthetic blend) you choose. That's what the aforementioned vehicles that I owned all have in common.

Yeah, I know, heresy...

Montez · 11-16-2009, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by VCuomo

Look at the bazillions of cars on the road that are in fine shape - many of those cars have had well over 100K miles on their engines WITHOUT EVER even having a synthetic oil fill! Many years ago I owned a '65 Rambler American sedan that never had synthetic in it (back then there was no synthetic available) - when I junked it it had almost 90K miles on the engine and, although the rest of the car was crap, the engine still ran fine. And then there was my 1983 Subaru wagon that had almost 200K miles on its engine (no rebuild or major work done on the drivetrain) before it was junked. I currently own a '98 Dodge Durango with almost 90K miles on its engine - it's never had anything in it except for 5W30 non-synthetic oil (mostly Pennzoil) and it still runs strong.

I'm old school - just make sure you put in the correct W oil for your driving conditions (for most, that would be 5W30), make sure it has API certification, and change it regularly at 3K to 5K mile intervals and you will be fine no matter what you brand or type (non-synthetic, synthetic, or synthetic blend) you choose. That's what the aforementioned vehicles that I owned all have in common.

Yeah, I know, heresy...

I am with you on this!

FricFrac · 11-16-2009, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Montez

I am with you on this!

Anecdotal storys are always amusing but that's about it. Synthetic oil is cheap and if evidence isn't enough there's an extreme lack of anecdotal stories of synthetic oil ruining your car.... so why risk it?

VCuomo · 11-17-2009, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by FricFrac

Anecdotal storys are always amusing but that's about it. Synthetic oil is cheap and if evidence isn't enough there's an extreme lack of anecdotal stories of synthetic oil ruining your car.... so why risk it?

Isolated anecdotal stories certainly don't mean a whole lot, but please go and re-read the first sentence of my post and tell me that it's not true.

And there's also an extreme lack of anecdotal stories of non-synthetic oil ruining your car (if you use the correct W oil and change it every 3K-5K miles).

Zless@arizona · 11-18-2009, 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by VCuomo

'65 Rambler 90K miles on the engine the engine still ran fine. 1983 Subaru wagon 200K miles '98 Dodge Durango 90K miles ...they've never had anything in them except for 5W30 non-synthetic oil (mostly Pennzoil). just make sure you put in the correct W oil for your driving conditions (for most, that would be 5W30), make sure it has API certification, and change it regularly at 3K to 5K mile and you will be fine no matter what you brand or type (non-synthetic, synthetic, or synthetic blend).

No UOA?!!! You are not qualified to make any of the statements above! Most current data suggests that oil changes at the 3-5k frequency actually hurt the engine more than extending the mileage. No definitive mileage endpoint exists at this time. Staying with a 5W-30 for a 200,000 mile vehicle violates any/all manufacturer's maintenance schedule. How much 5W-30 oil per 1000 miles was your 200,000 mile Subaru using? "Any 5W-30 will be fine for the 370Z engine"?!!! What???!!!! Anyone reading this: DO NOT USE 100% PETROLEUM BASED GROUP II OIL IN THE 370Z ENGINE!!! This thread is making me tired and pissed. "Ignorance is Bliss." Later...

Modshack · 11-18-2009, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Zless@arizona

DO NOT USE 100% PETROLEUM BASED GROUP II OIL IN THE 370Z ENGINE!!! This thread is making me tired and pissed. "Ignorance is Bliss." Later...

This post reinforced the "ignorance is bliss".......I'm sure you got this definitive information from the Ranger and Tahoe forums.....Carry on!

Zless@arizona · 11-18-2009, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Modshack

This post reinforced the "ignorance is bliss".......I'm sure you got this definitive information from the Ranger and Tahoe forums.....Carry on!

Mod: I will resist the temptation to suggest that my posts are "over your head." This site exists to help other Z owners. Your acerbic comments do not support my belief. Maybe I am mistaken. Please copy/paste my comments from the Ranger and Tahoe sites to which you refer, and let the other Z members decide. R/S Greg

FricFrac · 11-19-2009, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Zless@arizona

Mod: I will resist the temptation to suggest that my posts are "over your head." This site exists to help other Z owners. Your acerbic comments do not support my belief. Maybe I am mistaken. Please copy/paste my comments from the Ranger and Tahoe sites to which you refer, and let the other Z members decide. R/S Greg

You might want to follow your own advice on this one. Modshack is a well respected member not just here on this forum but on several other significant car forums. Respect earned by his love of cars, respect of others and his vast knowledge and eagerness to experiement and improve on pretty much every one of the vehicles he's owned (which by the way is more vehicles than you have posts on this site). Don't waste your time if you're just looking for a fight as its unlikely Modshack will stoop to that..... as can be seen in his lack of response to your bitting remarks...

Modshack · 11-19-2009, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by FricFrac

You might want to follow your own advice on this one. Modshack is a well respected member not just here on this forum but on several other significant car forums. Respect earned by his love of cars, respect of others and his vast knowledge and eagerness to experiement and improve on pretty much every one of the vehicles he's owned (which by the way is more vehicles than you have posts on this site). Don't waste your time if you're just looking for a fight as its unlikely Modshack will stoop to that..... as can be seen in his lack of response to your bitting remarks...

Thanks Fric!....I think the experienced members here see through this BS. Seems a rash of New members lately who seem to know it all...

+1..

antennahead · 11-19-2009, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by FricFrac

You might want to follow your own advice on this one. Modshack is a well respected member not just here on this forum but on several other significant car forums. Respect earned by his love of cars, respect of others and his vast knowledge and eagerness to experiement and improve on pretty much every one of the vehicles he's owned (which by the way is more vehicles than you have posts on this site). Don't waste your time if you're just looking for a fight as its unlikely Modshack will stoop to that..... as can be seen in his lack of response to your bitting remarks...

rcm2525 · 11-20-2009, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by FricFrac

You might want to follow your own advice on this one. Modshack is a well respected member not just here on this forum but on several other significant car forums. Respect earned by his love of cars, respect of others and his vast knowledge and eagerness to experiement and improve on pretty much every one of the vehicles he's owned (which by the way is more vehicles than you have posts on this site). Don't waste your time if you're just looking for a fight as its unlikely Modshack will stoop to that..... as can be seen in his lack of response to your bitting remarks...

Good for you fric.

370Zsteve · 11-20-2009, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by FricFrac

You might want to follow your own advice on this one. Modshack is a well respected member not just here on this forum but on several other significant car forums. Respect earned by his love of cars, respect of others and his vast knowledge and eagerness to experiement and improve on pretty much every one of the vehicles he's owned (which by the way is more vehicles than you have posts on this site). Don't waste your time if you're just looking for a fight as its unlikely Modshack will stoop to that..... as can be seen in his lack of response to your bitting remarks...

+1 rep

VCuomo · 11-18-2009, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Zless@arizona

No UOA?!!! You are not qualified to make any of the statements above! Most current data suggests that oil changes at the 3-5k frequency actually hurt the engine more than extending the mileage. No definitive mileage endpoint exists at this time. Staying with a 5W-30 for a 200,000 mile vehicle violates any/all manufacturer's maintenance schedule. How much 5W-30 oil per 1000 miles was your 200,000 mile Subaru using? "Any 5W-30 will be fine for the 370Z engine"?!!! What???!!!! Anyone reading this: DO NOT USE 100% PETROLEUM BASED GROUP II OIL IN THE 370Z ENGINE!!! This thread is making me tired and pissed. "Ignorance is Bliss." Later...

And just what are your qualifications.

I'll say it again:

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...just make sure you put in the correct W oil for your driving conditions (for most, that would be 5W30), make sure it has API certification, and change it regularly at 3K to 5K mile intervals and you will be fine no matter what you brand or type (non-synthetic, synthetic, or synthetic blend) you choose.

Zless@arizona · 11-18-2009, 11:27 PM

[QUOTE=VCuomo;285795]And just what are your qualifications?QUOTE]I'll key a public telephone number on this site's PM, you call me, then I'll tell you. Or we can meet face to face. Unless you are a chemist with focus on petroleum refining, you are way out of your league. You want to play hardball? BRING IT!

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Zless@arizona Base Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Tallahassee Florida Posts: 71 Drives: '01 Chvrlt Tahoe 4x3 Rep Power: 16	[QUOTE=VCuomo;285795]And just what are *your* qualifications?QUOTE]I'll key a public telephone number on this site's PM, you call me, then I'll tell you. Or we can meet face to face. Unless you are a chemist with focus on petroleum refining, you are way out of your league. You want to play hardball? BRING IT! __________________ The only U.S.A.-available Mobil1 oil that is BMW LL01 is 0W-40...most of M1's engine oil is hydrocracked/GIII junk.