Nissan Ester Oil

370Zsteve · 02-16-2010, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by semtex

Because on some aspects, the build and material quality of our cars isn't high at all. Look at the quality of our paint. Do you seriously think it's high quality? I think you'll find that most on this forum consider it to be piss poor. Having said that, yes it's possible that ester isn't good for break-in. I don't know enough about conventional oils with ester additives to take a stand one way or the other though. (Here we go with a whole new can of worms! lol )

I'll give you points for paint quality, it's thin. (although I think that many here don't take into consideration that the tendency to chip is much higher on a low-nosed sports car). The quality of the build of this car is extremely high, I don't get your comment at all.

semtex · 02-16-2010, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by 370Zsteve

Oh yes, I know all about the TSB. It's also from 2008. I've never said I KNOW the factory fill is Nissan Ester. I've always maintained that those who say "there is no mention of Nissan Ester being used as factory fill" (specifically you and Modshack) can be countered with the opposite argument: "There is no mention of Nissan Ester NOT being used as factory fill".

IMO, Nissan would be crazy to develop an oil specifically for an engine and then not use it. And I wish someone, ANYONE from Nissan would put this tired old subject to rest. Their silence is deafening. Putting Mobil1 as factory fill in the GT-R doesn't clarify much, either.

I actually sent a request to Nissan Corporate to clarify this in December. I never received a response.

Well, it's looking more and more like you might be right about them using it for factory-fill. I'm just waiting on final confirmation. Will keep you posted.

370Zsteve · 02-16-2010, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by semtex

Okay, been doing some more digging. It looks like Nissan released its ester oil in Sep. of '08. So yes, that does explain the TSB for the G37. Indeed, I also just noticed that the TSB only applies to '08 G37s. It doesn't apply to later model years, so maybe I'm completely wrong on this and they are using the stuff as factory-fill after all. It'd be great if they are. I wish there were a way to know for sure though. Actually, I know a certain someone who works for Nissan Corporate who might stand a chance of finding a definitive answer for us. I'll PM him and update this thread if and when I get a response.

Sweet! Light at the end of the tunnel. Thanks for the detective work! Tell him I asked in December and got no response.

WhiskeyHotel · 02-16-2010, 01:23 PM

I was at the Nissan dealer yesterday for my "free" oil change - first one. The service guys to a man knew ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about Nissan Ester. They looked at me like I was from Mars.

What do they use? Mobil One.

semtex · 02-16-2010, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by 370Zsteve

I'll give you points for paint quality, it's thin. (although I think that many here don't take into consideration that the tendency to chip is much higher on a low-nosed sports car). The quality of the build of this car is extremely high, I don't get your comment at all.

You're right, the build quality, overall, is quite high on this car. But it's hard to produce a car that yields so much bang for the buck without cutting at least a corner or two, that's all I'm saying. i.e., it wouldn't surprise me if they shaved some cost by using non-premium fluids for the factory fill. To be clear, I'm not claiming that I know for a fact that they did this. I'm just saying it wouldn't surprise me if they did is all. Regarding the paint, it's not so much the tendency to chip that I'm flagging. As you rightly point out, it's quite normal for such a low-nosed sports car. What I find remarkable is the tendency to chip right to bare metal so easily. Thankfully, I don't have too many chips due to my ClearBra, but where I do have chips, every single one exposes bare metal (rather than some middle layer or even primer coat). So it would appear that this is an area where Nissan shaved some cost. I don't entirely blame them though, because again, with so much bang for the buck, it's only natural that they'd take a shortcut or two where they can to keep cost down. Indeed, I think Nissan is to be commended for not taking even more shortcuts. The Z is truly an outstanding value for the money, IMO.

FricFrac · 02-16-2010, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by 370Zsteve

I'll give you points for paint quality, it's thin. (although I think that many here don't take into consideration that the tendency to chip is much higher on a low-nosed sports car). The quality of the build of this car is extremely high, I don't get your comment at all.

The paint on this car has been ultrasonically measured and its average - not thin - average. NXTAZEE can give you the precise measurements if you need.

...but back on topic. Does anyone really care if the manufacture's fill is Ester? If they did it would be simple enough to do an oil analysis on it and that would be the end of the discussion. I think we'd rather have the conjecture and food fight instead.....

jeffreyfranz · 03-09-2010, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by SoCal 370Z

The name is incorrect at that price. It should read Ankle-Grabbing Engine Oil 5W-30,

Royal Purple is cheaper and probably as good or better than the Nissan-branded stuff (after break-in). FWIW.

homeslice · 03-10-2010, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by jeffreyfranz

Royal Purple is cheaper and probably as good or better than the Nissan-branded stuff (after break-in). FWIW.

Amsoil is much better and lasts much longer and will come out to save a lot more money than using RP.

RP is great for people who rebuild their engines on a regular basis, like funny cars and stuff. But for most of us who use our cars to go back and forth to work, Amsoil is the way to go. It's the most cost-effective oil and there's not another oil on the market more convenient to use. They back up their oil with a written warranty. If anything happens from the results of their oil, they will pay to fix your engine. I don't see any other oil companies offering to do that.

SigPapa226 · 03-10-2010, 03:58 PM

Penzoil Platinum beats Amsoil & Royal Purple hands down.

semtex · 03-10-2010, 04:16 PM

Hey speaking of Pennzoil, have you guys seen the new Pennzoil Ultra Synthetic? Their big thing is that 'nothing keeps your engine closer to factory clean'. I'm not sure if I really care about the cleanliness of my engine, unless they're equating clean to 'lack of wear'. What do you guys make of this new oil?

Pennzoil - Not just oil, Pennzoil

SigPapa226 · 03-10-2010, 04:31 PM

It must be fairly new. I think I was at their site just last month & do not recall seeing the Ultra. I'm using Platinum in my pathfinder & my 300ZX TT.

semtex · 03-10-2010, 04:39 PM

Yeah it's new. I just started seeing print ads in the car mags this month.

jtroun · 03-10-2010, 05:03 PM

I've been putting Ester Oil in my 370 since I got it. The oil changes are $89, but at least they can't say I didn't put the recommended oil in my 370.

SigPapa226 · 03-10-2010, 05:25 PM

Jtroun

See Scott at Fontana (Scott@FontanaNissan) & buy your oil from him and do it yourself for a lot less.

semtex · 03-10-2010, 07:34 PM

I've been using Redline. I just got my UOA results back from my last change at 9k miles. Posted the results here if anyone's interested -> Used Oil Analysis @9k miles using Redline 5W-30

03-10-2010, 03:58 PM	#294 (permalink)
SigPapa226 Base Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Virginia Posts: 205 Drives: 300 ZXTT, 370 ZR Rep Power: 15	Penzoil Platinum beats Amsoil & Royal Purple hands down. __________________ Black 300ZX TT Stock + Megan CBE; Black Cherry 370Z Roadster, 6MT, Touring, Sport, Nav., 3-way Fog Light (Running, brake & flashing backup), Triple Tone Air Horns.

03-10-2010, 04:16 PM	#295 (permalink)
semtex A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Behind enemy lines Age: 54 Posts: 5,995 Drives: People to drink Rep Power: 32	Hey speaking of Pennzoil, have you guys seen the new Pennzoil Ultra Synthetic? Their big thing is that 'nothing keeps your engine closer to factory clean'. I'm not sure if I really care about the cleanliness of my engine, unless they're equating clean to 'lack of wear'. What do you guys make of this new oil? Pennzoil - Not just oil, Pennzoil __________________ "There are no small accidents on this circuit." -- Ayrton Senna 316.8whp & 248 ft/lbs (Dyno Dynamics) \| 319whp & 256 ft/lbs (DynoJet) (04/23/10) Stillen G3 CAI, CBE, Pulley / F.I. LTH / GTSpec Ladder Brace / Setrab Oil Cooler / UpRev-tuned by Forged Perf.

03-10-2010, 04:31 PM	#296 (permalink)
SigPapa226 Base Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Virginia Posts: 205 Drives: 300 ZXTT, 370 ZR Rep Power: 15	It must be fairly new. I think I was at their site just last month & do not recall seeing the Ultra. I'm using Platinum in my pathfinder & my 300ZX TT. __________________ Black 300ZX TT Stock + Megan CBE; Black Cherry 370Z Roadster, 6MT, Touring, Sport, Nav., 3-way Fog Light (Running, brake & flashing backup), Triple Tone Air Horns.

03-10-2010, 04:39 PM	#297 (permalink)
semtex A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Behind enemy lines Age: 54 Posts: 5,995 Drives: People to drink Rep Power: 32	Yeah it's new. I just started seeing print ads in the car mags this month. __________________ "There are no small accidents on this circuit." -- Ayrton Senna 316.8whp & 248 ft/lbs (Dyno Dynamics) \| 319whp & 256 ft/lbs (DynoJet) (04/23/10) Stillen G3 CAI, CBE, Pulley / F.I. LTH / GTSpec Ladder Brace / Setrab Oil Cooler / UpRev-tuned by Forged Perf.

03-10-2010, 05:25 PM	#299 (permalink)
SigPapa226 Base Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Virginia Posts: 205 Drives: 300 ZXTT, 370 ZR Rep Power: 15	Jtroun See Scott at Fontana (Scott@FontanaNissan) & buy your oil from him and do it yourself for a lot less. __________________ Black 300ZX TT Stock + Megan CBE; Black Cherry 370Z Roadster, 6MT, Touring, Sport, Nav., 3-way Fog Light (Running, brake & flashing backup), Triple Tone Air Horns.

02-16-2010, 01:23 PM	#289 (permalink)
WhiskeyHotel Track Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 530 Drives: 2015 GT-R PW Premium Rep Power: 17	I was at the Nissan dealer yesterday for my "free" oil change - first one. The service guys to a man knew ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about Nissan Ester. They looked at me like I was from Mars. What do they use? Mobil One.

03-10-2010, 05:03 PM	#298 (permalink)
jtroun Base Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: ATL-GA Posts: 114 Drives: 09 370Z Rep Power: 15	I've been putting Ester Oil in my 370 since I got it. The oil changes are $89, but at least they can't say I didn't put the recommended oil in my 370.

03-10-2010, 07:34 PM	#300 (permalink)
semtex A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Behind enemy lines Age: 54 Posts: 5,995 Drives: People to drink Rep Power: 32	I've been using Redline. I just got my UOA results back from my last change at 9k miles. Posted the results here if anyone's interested -> Used Oil Analysis @9k miles using Redline 5W-30 __________________ "There are no small accidents on this circuit." -- Ayrton Senna 316.8whp & 248 ft/lbs (Dyno Dynamics) \| 319whp & 256 ft/lbs (DynoJet) (04/23/10) Stillen G3 CAI, CBE, Pulley / F.I. LTH / GTSpec Ladder Brace / Setrab Oil Cooler / UpRev-tuned by Forged Perf.