honest opinions about this article ??

sonic370 · 03-31-2011, 07:00 PM

I know this might not go here but was wondering what some think of this article
on american muscle. i know its been beat to death on this subject.

but from what i take from the article is Detroit is not standing still and won'ts to
own the sports car market. and nissan is a sleep at the wheel.

at this pace imho the z will end up as just a little fun 2 seater to take the wife
out for a fun weekend drive. i'm not talking about tracking either. because the
average buyer could care less about that.

it's all about the features........... Muscle cars hit the road again - Business - Autos - msnbc.com

SoCal 370Z · 03-31-2011, 07:04 PM

Love muscle cars, but feel we will be addressing the issue of peak oil from here on out. Now's the time for the last hoorah if you intend to get in on the action.

ImportConvert · 04-05-2011, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by SoCal 370Z

Love muscle cars, but feel we will be addressing the issue of peak oil from here on out. Now's the time for the last hoorah if you intend to get in on the action.

Huge +1

This is the time for all those who were young kids in the 60's/early 70's who stood slack-jawed as their older neighbors melted tires through the neighborhood.

He who laughs last, laughs best, but you better get in on the punch-line before the joke goes stale.

If you want a last shot at what you missed growing up, take it, or forever hold your peace.

Lemers · 03-31-2011, 07:10 PM

Evolution effects all. Even with concerns about oil and price of gas. Car manufacturers will find a way to squeeze better performance from smaller fuel efficient or fuel alturnitive engines. Those who don't will loose a popular segment. As long as there are two guys to compare penus sizes there will be a HP war and sports car market

cossie1600 · 03-31-2011, 07:38 PM

You guys give it too much credit. Sports cars are still a niche market, not everyone can afford or use a car that might not handle everyday's job. Why do you think the Camrys are so much more popular than the Mustangs (in terms of sales #)

Toyota did a pretty good job at selling cars without creating a good sports car...

Jordo! · 03-31-2011, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by cossie1600

You guys give it too much credit. Sports cars are still a niche market, not everyone can afford or use a car that might not handle everyday's job. Why do you think the Camrys are so much more popular than the Mustangs (in terms of sales #)

Toyota did a pretty good job at selling cars without creating a good sports car...

Hopefully the FT-86 will change that next year.

I dunno... I really don't like most of the retromobiles. It's like they took one step forward in technology and five steps back in design

LunaZ · 03-31-2011, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Jordo!

I dunno... I really don't like most of the retromobiles. It's like they took one step forward in technology and five steps back in design

I can only guess that you're in you're twenties.
The manufacturers are trying to attract the dollars of the 40-50 year old buyers with the retro designs. Cars for guys who couldn't afford them in their twenties, but now that they're financially established or in the mid-life-crisis-zone, they can shell out the bucks for a toy that reminds them of their youth and the cars they fapped to in Hot Rod magazine.

Jordo! · 04-01-2011, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by LunaZ

I can only guess that you're in you're twenties.
The manufacturers are trying to attract the dollars of the 40-50 year old buyers with the retro designs. Cars for guys who couldn't afford them in their twenties, but now that they're financially established or in the mid-life-crisis-zone, they can shell out the bucks for a toy that reminds them of their youth and the cars they fapped to in Hot Rod magazine.

Incorrect, and I like classic muscle cars. Moreover, I doubt consumers in that age range are the target audience. Those folks would probably rather have a classic muscle car restored too.

Now if you like it, that's fine, but adopting design cues from 40 years ago in a modern car can in no way be considered a step forward. The previous generation Camaro, Firebird and Mustang were all taking on a modern shape, and then suddenly it's as if we've wound up in a parallel universe where none of that ever happened.

Hint: You don't have to build cars anymore that are as big as boats and weigh in at 4K lbs. And yet, they do.

Not my thing.

What's next? Something that looks like a model T?

b1adesofcha0s · 04-01-2011, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Jordo!

Incorrect, and I like classic muscle cars. Moreover, I doubt consumers in that age range are the target audience. Those folks would probably rather have a classic muscle car restored too.

Now if you like it, that's fine, but adopting design cues from 40 years ago in a modern car can in no way be considered a step forward. The previous generation Camaro, Firebird and Mustang were all taking on a modern shape, and then suddenly it's as if we've wound up in a parallel universe where none of that ever happened.

Hint: You don't have to build cars anymore that are as big as boats and weigh in at 4K lbs. And yet, they do.

Not my thing.

It might not be your thing, but other people certainly don't mind. Just look at the sales numbers of those cars vs the Z.

cossie1600 · 03-31-2011, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Jordo!

Hopefully the FT-86 will change that next year.

I dunno... I really don't like most of the retromobiles. It's like they took one step forward in technology and five steps back in design

Doubt it, gas mileage will probably drive sales in the unforeseeable future. I am not sure a 160HP rwd car will drive anything other than making a car that young professionals or college kids can afford.

68cam454 · 03-31-2011, 11:48 PM

I'm not a fan of the new Camaro at all. Ford did a decent job on the Mustang and Dodge got the lines right on the Challenger, but Chevy completly blew it on the Camaro.

I enjoy my Z as my daily driver and the precise cornerering capability.....but there's nothing quite like a first generation Camaro with a big cam, high compression 468 cubic inch motor (7.6L) thumping out 700HP and 650 ft/lbs of torque to peel your eyelids back when you launch it.

......oh and my neighbors love the full length headers and dual 3" exhaust when I fire it up in the morning.

Unfortunately it gets 5 MPG and needs premium gas along with octane boost, or aviation gas (which makes run REAL strong), so it doesn't get driven much anymore.

cfweber · 03-31-2011, 07:48 PM

the next few years will see Chevy's response with several new Camaros.

Expect Ford to up the ante

The American consumer is the big winner

Red__Zed · 03-31-2011, 09:49 PM

I love muscle cars. I don't know that I'd own one, but I do enjoy borrowing one from a friend from time to time. Something special about having all that power on tap, and the classic lines are fantastic.

Econ · 04-01-2011, 07:53 AM

Not a fan of muscle cars...i like agility too much

haggomyeggo · 04-01-2011, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Econ

Not a fan of muscle cars...i like agility too much

i just like the ability to go 'round a corner

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