honest opinions about this article ??

UNKNOWN_370 · 04-02-2011, 04:51 PM

I wasn't implying you buy these cars to turbo them. I'm saying they are tuner cars capable of being wound up to be extremely fast. But when I buy a sports car I wanna know that all my options are open. Whether I FI or not. A car that can't FI doesn't sound like a durable sports car to me.
Look at the Z as a whole package, Suspension, motor, drive characteristics,capability, price then look at its best numbers stock. 4.6/13.1 155mph top with 1.01g on sport pkg and then compare. No one comes close in the V6 segment at 35k.
The mustang is an impressive v8 package. But its a different type of car. In the end v8 to v6 is a pointless arguement. When the v6 mustang camaro challenger and genesis coupe are out performing a Z bone stock. I will say the Z needs to beef up.

To get better performance you still need more cylinders or more cash. In the end I'm just glad I can add an extra 125hp for about 8grand. That's just me though...

cossie1600 · 04-02-2011, 05:01 PM

You can tune everything if you have money. I can make a Geo Metro fast if I want to. At the end of the day, it's your money and chances are that no one really gives a flying f.....

BalanBro · 04-02-2011, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

Actually, most cars have very low FI potential.

Not necessarily. There is almost always a good bit of headroom in modern engines. It's just that some folks expect too much and start thinking that 12 psi on stock motor with cast pistons is safe. If they have a good tune and stick with the wastgate spring (7-8 psi), modern motors hold up just fine.

Red__Zed · 04-02-2011, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by BalanBro

Not necessarily. There is almost always a good bit of headroom in modern engines. It's just that some folks expect too much and start thinking that 12 psi on stock motor with cast pistons is safe. If they have a good tune and stick with the wastgate spring (7-8 psi), modern motors hold up just fine.

Most modern motors don't really have much headroom, and there often isn't aftermarket support for modifications. Even if there is, there are usually severe limitations with nearly every component along the way. It's a pretty big deal to be able to buy a car that doesn't require replacing the trans, rear end, etc, along with massive headwork, just to get decent FI numbers.

Red__Zed · 04-02-2011, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s

O rly?

Ya rly!

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Originally Posted by cossie1600

You can tune everything if you have money. I can make a Geo Metro fast if I want to. At the end of the day, it's your money and chances are that no one really gives a flying f.....

With a lot of help from people that know what they are doing, and a whole lot of money, sure. It's a lot more economical to make something that comes well-suited to modification fast though.

cossie1600 · 04-02-2011, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

Ya rly!

With a lot of help from people that know what they are doing, and a whole lot of money, sure. It's a lot more economical to make something that comes well-suited to modification fast though.

If you have to modify the car to make it the way you want, chances are that you bought the wrong car to begin with

Red__Zed · 04-02-2011, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by cossie1600

If you have to modify the car to make it the way you want, chances are that you bought the wrong car to begin with

They don't make any cars that have the features I look for in a car.

b1adesofcha0s · 04-02-2011, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by cossie1600

If you have to modify the car to make it the way you want, chances are that you bought the wrong car to begin with

I will have to disagree with you on that. By that logic, anyone who modifies their car bought the wrong one. Sometimes the car you want is out of your reach, but you can modify the one you have to try to replicate the performance. Example, I want a GT-R, but I bought a Z. I can buy a TT kit for the Z and modify it to make its performance closer to the GT-R and will have spent half as much money as buying an actual GT-R.

cossie1600 · 04-02-2011, 11:45 PM

Regardless of your mods, chances are that your car will worth the same as a stock 370Z that some old woman is driving. It's fine if you can afford it and want to do it, but I am not sure if majority of the owners buy their cars to mod....

b1adesofcha0s · 04-03-2011, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by cossie1600

Regardless of your mods, chances are that your car will worth the same as a stock 370Z that some old woman is driving. It's fine if you can afford it and want to do it, but I am not sure if majority of the owners buy their cars to mod....

Most car owners never mod or even think about modding their cars. Mods don't add much value too a car. In fact, a lot may actually decrease the value of the car and you're ability to sell it. The point of modding, IMO at least, is not to increase the value of the car but to have more fun with it. No one buys mods to increase the car's value. They do it to make it look nicer or perform better in order to enjoy it more and make themselves happier.

dixon cider · 04-03-2011, 02:51 AM

I'll take my Z. I love the muscle of years ago. Now, not so much.

FromG2Z · 04-03-2011, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by kielbasa16

I didnt like the American muscle cars of the 90's and early 2000's but recently they have all stepped up their game. Im a fan of the retro look and Im pretty sure the 2012 Boss Mustang is a monster around curves.

My biggest beef with them is how common they are. Im fortunate enough to live somewhere that I barely ever see other 370Z's.

Thank you for echoing my exact sentiments. I am a fan of the retro look... in fact almost bought a new 5.0 GT instead of the Z. But ultimately, came down to "commonality" more than agility. I just didn't want something that would be too common (I see a lot around) or would look mehhh in a few years. The Z was edgy, and sexy... and there are only 2 Z's right now around where I live for the last year.

FromG2Z · 04-03-2011, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

I wasn't implying you buy these cars to turbo them. I'm saying they are tuner cars capable of being wound up to be extremely fast. But when I buy a sports car I wanna know that all my options are open. Whether I FI or not. A car that can't FI doesn't sound like a durable sports car to me.
Look at the Z as a whole package, Suspension, motor, drive characteristics,capability, price then look at its best numbers stock. 4.6/13.1 155mph top with 1.01g on sport pkg and then compare. No one comes close in the V6 segment at 35k.
The mustang is an impressive v8 package. But its a different type of car. In the end v8 to v6 is a pointless arguement. When the v6 mustang camaro challenger and genesis coupe are out performing a Z bone stock. I will say the Z needs to beef up.

To get better performance you still need more cylinders or more cash. In the end I'm just glad I can add an extra 125hp for about 8grand. That's just me though...

Actually 12.9

look at bladesofchaos' sig

Red__Zed · 04-03-2011, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by cossie1600

Regardless of your mods, chances are that your car will worth the same as a stock 370Z that some old woman is driving. It's fine if you can afford it and want to do it, but I am not sure if majority of the owners buy their cars to mod....

Well, of course the majority of people don't modify them. Most modded cars don't hold their value well because of this. The vast majority of people want an A-to-B vehicle, which is why the Camry and Corolla sell so well.

Those of us that use the vehicles for competitive driving, whether autocross, track time/racing, or the drag strip, will need to modify the car to meet our needs.

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Originally Posted by FromG2Z

Actually 12.9

look at bladesofchaos' sig

To be fair, that's an uncorrected time. Most of the mags have run times that are quicker than what they post, and the times are corrected downwards based on altitude, temperature, humidity, etc.

b1adesofcha0s · 04-03-2011, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by FromG2Z

Actually 12.9

look at bladesofchaos' sig

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

Well, of course the majority of people don't modify them. Most modded cars don't hold their value well because of this. The vast majority of people want an A-to-B vehicle, which is why the Camry and Corolla sell so well.

Those of us that use the vehicles for competitive driving, whether autocross, track time/racing, or the drag strip, will need to modify the car to meet our needs.

To be fair, that's an uncorrected time. Most of the mags have run times that are quicker than what they post, and the times are corrected downwards based on altitude, temperature, humidity, etc.

By corrected down do you mean corrected to a lower or higher time? How do I get the corrected time for my run?

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UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14858	I wasn't implying you buy these cars to turbo them. I'm saying they are tuner cars capable of being wound up to be extremely fast. But when I buy a sports car I wanna know that all my options are open. Whether I FI or not. A car that can't FI doesn't sound like a durable sports car to me. Look at the Z as a whole package, Suspension, motor, drive characteristics,capability, price then look at its best numbers stock. 4.6/13.1 155mph top with 1.01g on sport pkg and then compare. No one comes close in the V6 segment at 35k. The mustang is an impressive v8 package. But its a different type of car. In the end v8 to v6 is a pointless arguement. When the v6 mustang camaro challenger and genesis coupe are out performing a Z bone stock. I will say the Z needs to beef up. To get better performance you still need more cylinders or more cash. In the end I'm just glad I can add an extra 125hp for about 8grand. That's just me though...

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cossie1600 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: californee way Posts: 5,380 Drives: 370, Leaf Rep Power: 30	Regardless of your mods, chances are that your car will worth the same as a stock 370Z that some old woman is driving. It's fine if you can afford it and want to do it, but I am not sure if majority of the owners buy their cars to mod....