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cossie1600 · 03-31-2011, 07:38 PM

You guys give it too much credit. Sports cars are still a niche market, not everyone can afford or use a car that might not handle everyday's job. Why do you think the Camrys are so much more popular than the Mustangs (in terms of sales #)

Toyota did a pretty good job at selling cars without creating a good sports car...

Jordo! · 03-31-2011, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by cossie1600

You guys give it too much credit. Sports cars are still a niche market, not everyone can afford or use a car that might not handle everyday's job. Why do you think the Camrys are so much more popular than the Mustangs (in terms of sales #)

Toyota did a pretty good job at selling cars without creating a good sports car...

Hopefully the FT-86 will change that next year.

I dunno... I really don't like most of the retromobiles. It's like they took one step forward in technology and five steps back in design

LunaZ · 03-31-2011, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Jordo!

I dunno... I really don't like most of the retromobiles. It's like they took one step forward in technology and five steps back in design

I can only guess that you're in you're twenties.
The manufacturers are trying to attract the dollars of the 40-50 year old buyers with the retro designs. Cars for guys who couldn't afford them in their twenties, but now that they're financially established or in the mid-life-crisis-zone, they can shell out the bucks for a toy that reminds them of their youth and the cars they fapped to in Hot Rod magazine.

Jordo! · 04-01-2011, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by LunaZ

I can only guess that you're in you're twenties.
The manufacturers are trying to attract the dollars of the 40-50 year old buyers with the retro designs. Cars for guys who couldn't afford them in their twenties, but now that they're financially established or in the mid-life-crisis-zone, they can shell out the bucks for a toy that reminds them of their youth and the cars they fapped to in Hot Rod magazine.

Incorrect, and I like classic muscle cars. Moreover, I doubt consumers in that age range are the target audience. Those folks would probably rather have a classic muscle car restored too.

Now if you like it, that's fine, but adopting design cues from 40 years ago in a modern car can in no way be considered a step forward. The previous generation Camaro, Firebird and Mustang were all taking on a modern shape, and then suddenly it's as if we've wound up in a parallel universe where none of that ever happened.

Hint: You don't have to build cars anymore that are as big as boats and weigh in at 4K lbs. And yet, they do.

Not my thing.

What's next? Something that looks like a model T?

b1adesofcha0s · 04-01-2011, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Jordo!

Incorrect, and I like classic muscle cars. Moreover, I doubt consumers in that age range are the target audience. Those folks would probably rather have a classic muscle car restored too.

Now if you like it, that's fine, but adopting design cues from 40 years ago in a modern car can in no way be considered a step forward. The previous generation Camaro, Firebird and Mustang were all taking on a modern shape, and then suddenly it's as if we've wound up in a parallel universe where none of that ever happened.

Hint: You don't have to build cars anymore that are as big as boats and weigh in at 4K lbs. And yet, they do.

Not my thing.

It might not be your thing, but other people certainly don't mind. Just look at the sales numbers of those cars vs the Z.

sonic370 · 04-01-2011, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s

It might not be your thing, but other people certainly don't mind. Just look at the sales numbers of those cars vs the Z.

sonic370 · 04-01-2011, 06:08 PM

just my 2 cents worth. 99% of buyers won't track there car so they could care less about how much the pig weighs. if they can afford it and keep gas in it
to most thats all that matters... the 3 cars we are talking about might as well
not have a back seat anyway. have you ever sat in the back of one.

so my point is if nissan wont's to compete in that market and imho they already
are. the next generation Z will have to be lighter not much and better bring over
400 horse's to the track........

cossie1600 · 03-31-2011, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Jordo!

Hopefully the FT-86 will change that next year.

I dunno... I really don't like most of the retromobiles. It's like they took one step forward in technology and five steps back in design

Doubt it, gas mileage will probably drive sales in the unforeseeable future. I am not sure a 160HP rwd car will drive anything other than making a car that young professionals or college kids can afford.

68cam454 · 03-31-2011, 11:48 PM

I'm not a fan of the new Camaro at all. Ford did a decent job on the Mustang and Dodge got the lines right on the Challenger, but Chevy completly blew it on the Camaro.

I enjoy my Z as my daily driver and the precise cornerering capability.....but there's nothing quite like a first generation Camaro with a big cam, high compression 468 cubic inch motor (7.6L) thumping out 700HP and 650 ft/lbs of torque to peel your eyelids back when you launch it.

......oh and my neighbors love the full length headers and dual 3" exhaust when I fire it up in the morning.

Unfortunately it gets 5 MPG and needs premium gas along with octane boost, or aviation gas (which makes run REAL strong), so it doesn't get driven much anymore.

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03-31-2011, 07:38 PM	#1 (permalink)
cossie1600 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: californee way Posts: 5,380 Drives: 370, Leaf Rep Power: 30	You guys give it too much credit. Sports cars are still a niche market, not everyone can afford or use a car that might not handle everyday's job. Why do you think the Camrys are so much more popular than the Mustangs (in terms of sales #) Toyota did a pretty good job at selling cars without creating a good sports car...

04-01-2011, 06:08 PM	#7 (permalink)
sonic370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2010 Location: Orange Texas Posts: 1,574 Drives: 09 370Z Sports PGK Rep Power: 19	just my 2 cents worth. 99% of buyers won't track there car so they could care less about how much the pig weighs. if they can afford it and keep gas in it to most thats all that matters... the 3 cars we are talking about might as well not have a back seat anyway. have you ever sat in the back of one. so my point is if nissan wont's to compete in that market and imho they already are. the next generation Z will have to be lighter not much and better bring over 400 horse's to the track........

03-31-2011, 11:48 PM	#9 (permalink)
68cam454 Base Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Portland Oregon Posts: 90 Drives: GM Nismo/68 454 Cam Rep Power: 15	I'm not a fan of the new Camaro at all. Ford did a decent job on the Mustang and Dodge got the lines right on the Challenger, but Chevy completly blew it on the Camaro. I enjoy my Z as my daily driver and the precise cornerering capability.....but there's nothing quite like a first generation Camaro with a big cam, high compression 468 cubic inch motor (7.6L) thumping out 700HP and 650 ft/lbs of torque to peel your eyelids back when you launch it. ......oh and my neighbors love the full length headers and dual 3" exhaust when I fire it up in the morning. Unfortunately it gets 5 MPG and needs premium gas along with octane boost, or aviation gas (which makes run REAL strong), so it doesn't get driven much anymore.