5.0

m4a1mustang · 03-14-2011, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by BLM

M3 is a tempermental car and you need a good amount of seat time to get used to its intricacies and where you need to keep the revs to get the torque you need. What's really incredible is the time against the Z06 and R8. Was this the V8 R8 model? I can't imagine it beat the V10

My guess is it was the V8 R8, but I'm not sure.

The Boss lapped in 1:40.2. From the article:

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How fast is that? Well, we compared those times against a few vehicles from our MRLS lap-time database and were astonished. With a professional racing driver behind the wheel, the 2009 BMW M3 that competed in our 2008 Best Handling competition clocked a 1:42.9. In our 2009 Best Driver's Car competition the 2010 Shelby GT500 lapped in 1:44.3 while a 2010 Audi R8 did it in 1:40.8. This puts the Boss 302 in a very elite field, and it's not the fastest Boss. According to Ford, Bomarito lapped the Boss Laguna Seca under 1 minute and 40 seconds.

Read more: 2012 Ford Mustang Boss 302 Laguna Seca Lap Time - Motor Trend

The interesting thing to note is that this was just the standard Boss 302 model, not the faster, meaner Laguna Seca version.

I'm interested to see how much quicker the LS version is, and to see how both Boss' shake out in the C&D Lightning Lap competition.

BLM · 03-14-2011, 10:17 AM

I think Ford really hit a home run here. Without AWD, it becomes a VERY subtle comparison when production cars are at 400-450 hp and above around a track, even with professional drivers (this is assuming the car isn't a full out race car, gutted with a role cage, one racing seat, no interior, etc). Traction is an issue even with the largest of tires. So, to be able to offer the base Boss at around $40k and the Laguna Seca at a little more, and be able to compete/surpass cars that are AT LEAST twice the price out of the box, is astonishing.

BLM · 03-14-2011, 10:42 AM

The Boss is as much a "Mustang" as the Evolution is a "Mitsubishi". Both companies have engineers with PhD's making the cars, they just chose not to exercise their muscle for some time (in the case of the evo) or go dormant (with the Mustang - aside from Cobra's, Saleen's, etc). Look at Nissan. The same company that makes the Z and the GT-R makes a minivan. And it's the minivan's and the Sentra's that dominate the market for Nissan, which is why they can make the Z and GTR "affordable". For companies like Lambo and Ferrari, they only deal with one market, and as expensive and exclusive as they are, the end buyer is paying for all the R&D costs that aren't deflected by the revenue the company could be taking in by offering other auto's that cost less than $180,000.

b1adesofcha0s · 03-14-2011, 12:50 PM

I've seen it be challenged by a Scion TC with an exhaust. I have to admit, the TC was pulling away from it quickly and easily

m4a1mustang · 03-14-2011, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s

I've seen it be challenged by a Scion TC with an exhaust. I have to admit, the TC was pulling away from it quickly and easily

Red__Zed · 03-14-2011, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s

I've seen it be challenged by a Scion TC with an exhaust. I have to admit, the TC was pulling away from it quickly and easily

To be fair, he left the Z's in the dust as well. Had to be pushing at least 1000whp.

ProfessorDave · 03-14-2011, 12:55 PM

You're quite the good sport, Steve! (although I totally believe the Scion story).

m4a1mustang · 03-14-2011, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ProfessorDave

You're quite the good sport, Steve! (although I totally believe the Scion story).

Thanks, Dave! The Scion story is real. A guy in a Scion TC with a fart can was trying to intimidate us at our meet two weeks ago.

ZYGOTE · 03-14-2011, 01:26 PM

Traded my 370 for a a 5.0 a few weeks ago and as much as I miss the Z, the 5.0 amazes me everytime I drive it.

As for the Boss - Ford Racing just released the Boss 302 intake manifold for purchase. One of the regular 5.0 guys installed it and got a 50 hp gain on the top end. These cars are just beasts.

GZ3 · 03-14-2011, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ZYGOTE

Traded my 370 for a a 5.0 a few weeks ago and as much as I miss the Z, the 5.0 amazes me everytime I drive it.

As for the Boss - Ford Racing just released the Boss 302 intake manifold for purchase. One of the regular 5.0 guys installed it and got a 50 hp gain on the top end. These cars are just beasts.

yeah yeah!....yeah??!!!! shiiiitt

BLM · 03-14-2011, 01:30 PM

I know they're in the same price range, but I just don't see how so many people are going from a Z to a Mustang. It's a performance upgrade for sure, assuming you go with the Brembo's etc, but it's a transition from a small, Japanese, 2-seater "sports car" to an American Muscle car (that now has handling capabilities). To me that's as similar as switching from a Z to a Jeep.

Red__Zed · 03-14-2011, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by BLM

I know they're in the same price range, but I just don't see how so many people are going from a Z to a Mustang. It's a performance upgrade for sure, assuming you go with the Brembo's etc, but it's a transition from a small, Japanese, 2-seater "sports car" to an American Muscle car (that now has handling capabilities). To me that's as similar as switching from a Z to a Jeep.

I'd make the switch to a Jeep that could lap the Z around a track the way a mustang does.

m4a1mustang · 03-14-2011, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

I'd make the switch to a Jeep that could lap the Z around a track the way a mustang does.

I heard from a forum source that the SRT8 Jeep will do this.

shadoquad · 03-14-2011, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

I heard from a forum source that the SRT8 Jeep will do this.

The Mustang was equipped with the "Parked at a starbux with the driver inside getting coffee" mod, iirc.

Red__Zed · 03-14-2011, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

I heard from a forum source that the SRT8 Jeep will do this.

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Originally Posted by shadoquad

The Mustang was equipped with the "Parked at a starbux with the driver inside getting coffee" mod, iirc.

I heard the mustang was equipped with the " driver busy nailing his cousin" mod.

03-14-2011, 10:17 AM	#2 (permalink)
BLM Enthusiast Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: NJ Posts: 342 Drives: 2011 Silver M6 sport Rep Power: 15	I think Ford really hit a home run here. Without AWD, it becomes a VERY subtle comparison when production cars are at 400-450 hp and above around a track, even with professional drivers (this is assuming the car isn't a full out race car, gutted with a role cage, one racing seat, no interior, etc). Traction is an issue even with the largest of tires. So, to be able to offer the base Boss at around $40k and the Laguna Seca at a little more, and be able to compete/surpass cars that are AT LEAST twice the price out of the box, is astonishing. __________________ K&N // GTM // BERK

03-14-2011, 10:42 AM	#3 (permalink)
BLM Enthusiast Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: NJ Posts: 342 Drives: 2011 Silver M6 sport Rep Power: 15	The Boss is as much a "Mustang" as the Evolution is a "Mitsubishi". Both companies have engineers with PhD's making the cars, they just chose not to exercise their muscle for some time (in the case of the evo) or go dormant (with the Mustang - aside from Cobra's, Saleen's, etc). Look at Nissan. The same company that makes the Z and the GT-R makes a minivan. And it's the minivan's and the Sentra's that dominate the market for Nissan, which is why they can make the Z and GTR "affordable". For companies like Lambo and Ferrari, they only deal with one market, and as expensive and exclusive as they are, the end buyer is paying for all the R&D costs that aren't deflected by the revenue the company could be taking in by offering other auto's that cost less than $180,000. __________________ K&N // GTM // BERK Last edited by BLM; 03-14-2011 at 10:46 AM.

03-14-2011, 12:50 PM	#4 (permalink)
b1adesofcha0s A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: MD Posts: 40,963 Drives: HypeTrain Choo Choo! Rep Power: 142	I've seen it be challenged by a Scion TC with an exhaust. I have to admit, the TC was pulling away from it quickly and easily __________________ Project: b1adeZmobile (2009 370Z) \| Uprev Tune by AAM Competition \| Berk Exhaust Project: b1adeZmobile 2.0 (2014 C7 Z51) \| Corsa Xtreme Exhaust

03-14-2011, 12:55 PM	#7 (permalink)
ProfessorDave A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Scranton, PA Posts: 1,580 Drives: In the fairway Rep Power: 19	You're quite the good sport, Steve! (although I totally believe the Scion story). __________________ Rain, snow, sleet, hail: 2009 Mazda 3 sGT HB Everything else: 2009 370z, PW Touring 6MT

03-14-2011, 01:30 PM	#11 (permalink)
BLM Enthusiast Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: NJ Posts: 342 Drives: 2011 Silver M6 sport Rep Power: 15	I know they're in the same price range, but I just don't see how so many people are going from a Z to a Mustang. It's a performance upgrade for sure, assuming you go with the Brembo's etc, but it's a transition from a small, Japanese, 2-seater "sports car" to an American Muscle car (that now has handling capabilities). To me that's as similar as switching from a Z to a Jeep. __________________ K&N // GTM // BERK

03-14-2011, 01:26 PM	#9 (permalink)
ZYGOTE Base Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: NE Posts: 80 Drives: 09 6MT SP Rep Power: 16	Traded my 370 for a a 5.0 a few weeks ago and as much as I miss the Z, the 5.0 amazes me everytime I drive it. As for the Boss - Ford Racing just released the Boss 302 intake manifold for purchase. One of the regular 5.0 guys installed it and got a 50 hp gain on the top end. These cars are just beasts.

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