5.0

m4a1mustang · 03-14-2011, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by BLM

Even with a bad driver I still don't see how this happened, unless it was from a dig. I mean these 5.0's dyno 395 stock, which is over 110 whp more than a Z, and they're only 200-300 lbs heavier. Something is amiss...

No, it can happen. I've had some BAD runs where I just spun forever and a day and maybe ended up with a 13.40 @ 110-112. Yes, I would be closing in on a Z fast at the big end of the track, but the Z's are capable of very high 12s to low 13s stock in ideal conditions, so in a scenario like that the Z could win.

Not to mention if you are going from a dig you need to take reaction time into account. In heads up racing that is usually the deciding factor along with the 60' time.

Now, usually if I have a bad launch I will just kill the run right there. I can tell in the first 60' if I'm going to have a good or a bad run. I used to just coast until track officials yelled at me for taking too long to get down the track.

So now I just leisurely complete the run... 14.xx at 90 mph or something.

shadoquad · 03-14-2011, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

No, it can happen. I've had some BAD runs where I just spun forever and a day and maybe ended up with a 13.40 @ 110-112. Yes, I would be closing in on a Z fast at the big end of the track, but the Z's are capable of very high 12s to low 13s stock in ideal conditions, so in a scenario like that the Z could win.

Not to mention if you are going from a dig you need to take reaction time into account. In heads up racing that is usually the deciding factor along with the 60' time.

Now, usually if I have a bad launch I will just kill the run right there. I can tell in the first 60' if I'm going to have a good or a bad run. I used to just coast until track officials yelled at me for taking too long to get down the track.

So now I just leisurely complete the run... 14.xx at 90 mph or something.

I have seen your mustang driving around with Z's in front of it, so I know it can happen.

m4a1mustang · 03-14-2011, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad

I have seen your mustang driving around with Z's in front of it, so I know it can happen.

Red__Zed · 03-14-2011, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad

I have seen your mustang driving around with Z's in front of it, so I know it can happen.

I've seen it driving around behind a Maxima, and I have pictures to prove it.

m4a1mustang · 03-14-2011, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

I've seen it driving around behind a Maxima, and I have pictures to prove it.

I've seen it getting an HJ from a red 370 behind the Starbucks and I have video to prove it.

m4a1mustang · 03-14-2011, 09:33 AM

The key with the 5.0 is it has a huge traction issue stock. The car is under-tired for it's level of power. With a better tire on the car... game over, I'm running sub 12.5 every time.

BLM · 03-14-2011, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

The key with the 5.0 is it has a huge traction issue stock. The car is under-tired for it's level of power. With a better tire on the car... game over, I'm running sub 12.5 every time.

Yeah I had suggested in another thread that Ford could have cut a deal with American Racing or someone to offer a "sport" wheel/tire package out of the box, or just give it the Boss 302 set-up, but I think that's such a high aftermarket category that they just figured the buyers would assume they're getting wheels/tires as their first mod. I mean, the Z has 275's in the rear and nowhere near the torque of the 5.0 and I chirp the 2-3 shift at WOT. The GT NEEDS at least 285's in the rear, and that should have been OEM. However, perhaps said Boss set-up would have bumped the price of the car to the point where market research could have suggested it would not attract as many buyers?? After all, 11-12 " wheels and 305 tires are not cheap. Even with a crap wheel you're looking at $4-5k for that set-up.

m4a1mustang · 03-14-2011, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by BLM

Yeah I had suggested in another thread that Ford could have cut a deal with American Racing or someone to offer a "sport" wheel/tire package out of the box, or just give it the Boss 302 set-up, but I think that's such a high aftermarket category that they just figured the buyers would assume they're getting wheels/tires as their first mod. I mean, the Z has 275's in the rear and nowhere near the torque of the 5.0 and I chirp the 2-3 shift at WOT. The GT NEEDS at least 285's in the rear, and that should have been OEM. However, perhaps said Boss set-up would have bumped the price of the car to the point where market research could have suggested it would not attract as many buyers??

I'm not sure what the deal is. I think a lot of it is price and keeping the car attractive to all. I know some people don't like the thought of a $300 tire.

My GT has the Brembo package which comes with the performance wheels... 19x9 all around with 255 Pirelli PZeros. Good tire but just not enough of it. I think 275 all around would have been a good setup for the Brembo cars.

With the 255s you really need to baby it. Launch off idle and even then it spins like hell in 1st and 2nd gear no matter what you do. Third can be iffy. If you shift a little too hard you're just going to light the tires up. It's definitly a challenge.

Vegitto-kun · 03-14-2011, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

The key with the 5.0 is it has a huge traction issue stock. The car is under-tired for it's level of power. With a better tire on the car... game over, I'm running sub 12.5 every time.

(drooooooooooooooool)

I want a 5.0 so badly

UNKNOWN_370 · 03-14-2011, 09:41 AM

I read FORD will add the 6 dct transmission to every car by 2013 and they will focus on better performance with every vehicle they make. Even SUV's. I'm dying to see what a mustang with a 6 dct would feel like? With the extremely quick shifts of dct trannies I'm guessing that 4.4 second sprint to 60 will shrink further. Maybe 4.2 and 12.5 quarter time?
I'm also dying to see camaros answer with the 2012 camaro to the current mustang
As far as tire setup. No matter the cost. They should put the proper shoes. It may cost 4k to a consumer but they buy wholesale and extremely high volumes. They can work some sort of deal that would only affect prices by maybe an extra 1200. If they were able to lower msrp by 500. They must be makin some killer profits anyway.

m4a1mustang · 03-14-2011, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

I read FORD will add the 6 dct transmission to every car by 2013 and they will focus on better performance with every vehicle they make. Even SUV's. I'm dying to see what a mustang with a 6 dct would feel like? With the extremely quick shifts of dct trannies I'm guessing that 4.4 second sprint to 60 will shrink further. Maybe 4.2 and 12.5 quarter time?
I'm also dying to see camaros answer with the 2012 camaro to the current mustang

Yeah, the next generation Mustang will get the 6speed DCT for it's automatic option.

FWIW, the Boss is tested at 3.9 0-60.

The 2014 Mustangs will likely weigh less than 3400 lbs, have about 450 hp, and the 6-speed DCT will be the automatic option. If they give the car enough tire I think you're looking at low 12s right out of the box.

Also, the V6 is going to be replaced by an Ecoboost I-4, which could be interesting. The V6 Mustangs are running solidly in the mid 13s stock right now and mod potential is pretty good, but a turbo 4 could make them even more interesting.

UNKNOWN_370 · 03-14-2011, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Yeah, the next generation Mustang will get the 6speed DCT for it's automatic option.

FWIW, the Boss is tested at 3.9 0-60.

The 2014 Mustangs will likely weigh less than 3400 lbs, have about 450 hp, and the 6-speed DCT will be the automatic option. If they give the car enough tire I think you're looking at low 12s right out of the box.

Also, the V6 is going to be replaced by an Ecoboost I-4, which could be interesting. The V6 Mustangs are running solidly in the mid 13s stock right now and mod potential is pretty good, but a turbo 4 could make them even more interesting.

The boss 302 should be the mustang. I hadn't liked mustangs since the old hatchback sleepers till right now and the 302 BOSS is what made me give mustang full props. Even mustang haters gotta luv the BOSS.

BLM · 03-14-2011, 09:49 AM

Is that 3.9 0-60 in the Boss from the tire or the extra hp with "race key"?

m4a1mustang · 03-14-2011, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by BLM

Is that 3.9 0-60 in the Boss from the tire or the extra hp with "race key"?

Probably a combination of both. The race key introduces a nice launch control system. I know the MT testers felt the car would have done even better on a better test surface.

FWIW that car was quicker than the M3, Z06, and even the R8 around Laguna Seca... pretty intense!

BLM · 03-14-2011, 09:55 AM

M3 is a tempermental car and you need a good amount of seat time to get used to its intricacies and where you need to keep the revs to get the torque you need. What's really incredible is the time against the Z06 and R8. Was this the V8 R8 model? I can't imagine it beat the V10

03-14-2011, 09:33 AM	#6 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6963	The key with the 5.0 is it has a huge traction issue stock. The car is under-tired for it's level of power. With a better tire on the car... game over, I'm running sub 12.5 every time. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

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UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14858	I read FORD will add the 6 dct transmission to every car by 2013 and they will focus on better performance with every vehicle they make. Even SUV's. I'm dying to see what a mustang with a 6 dct would feel like? With the extremely quick shifts of dct trannies I'm guessing that 4.4 second sprint to 60 will shrink further. Maybe 4.2 and 12.5 quarter time? I'm also dying to see camaros answer with the 2012 camaro to the current mustang As far as tire setup. No matter the cost. They should put the proper shoes. It may cost 4k to a consumer but they buy wholesale and extremely high volumes. They can work some sort of deal that would only affect prices by maybe an extra 1200. If they were able to lower msrp by 500. They must be makin some killer profits anyway. Last edited by UNKNOWN_370; 03-14-2011 at 09:47 AM.

03-14-2011, 09:49 AM	#13 (permalink)
BLM Enthusiast Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: NJ Posts: 342 Drives: 2011 Silver M6 sport Rep Power: 15	Is that 3.9 0-60 in the Boss from the tire or the extra hp with "race key"? __________________ K&N // GTM // BERK

03-14-2011, 09:55 AM	#15 (permalink)
BLM Enthusiast Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: NJ Posts: 342 Drives: 2011 Silver M6 sport Rep Power: 15	M3 is a tempermental car and you need a good amount of seat time to get used to its intricacies and where you need to keep the revs to get the torque you need. What's really incredible is the time against the Z06 and R8. Was this the V8 R8 model? I can't imagine it beat the V10 __________________ K&N // GTM // BERK

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