Consumer Reports' Obsession

Jordo! · 03-04-2011, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by christian370z

Agreed on the fuel sender, but you can't blame Nissan entirely for the o2 sensor when you are running test pipes that will expose the sensor to much higher levels of unburnt fuel and particulates (which kill o2 sensors).

Sure I can. Name one other member with TP's who has had this problem?

Also, I ran same set up on my (HEAVILY modified) 10 yr old Toyota celica and the secondary O2's never had an issue for over 100K miles.

Probably has nothing to do with the TP's -- I bet something stupid like a rock nailed it or water got in and shorted it or something.

It's still ridiculous that it would fail with less than 17K on the car.

I've also never owned a car with:

1. A dodgy fuel sender (after 7K!)

2. Windshields that chip so easily (week 2)

3. Paint that chipped so easily (day 3!)

4. An auxillary jack on the stereo that stopped working (at 15K, thankfully, replaced under warranty).

These are, again, "minor" issues (love the engine, trans, suspension set up, etc), but they all point to how we have $50K worth of car sold for $30+ K: They used the cheapest parts wherever possible

torpedo2k · 03-04-2011, 11:11 PM

FWIW

VCuomo · 03-04-2011, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Well, I'd avoid an '09 if I was buying used simply because all the issues with the '09s seem to have been solved in 2010+.

No way in hell would I put up with that ECU whine again, or waste my time fighting with a dealer to try and replace it with a 2010 ECU.

I wouldn't write off every '09 Z. Mine doesn't have the ECU problem at all. And all of the things that CR said owners rated the car low for are present in all 370Z model years.

dad · 03-04-2011, 11:30 PM

They named the Ford Mustang as best sports car.

christian370z · 03-05-2011, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Jordo!

Sure I can. Name one other member with TP's who has had this problem?

Also, I ran same set up on my (HEAVILY modified) 10 yr old Toyota celica and the secondary O2's never had an issue for over 100K miles.

Probably has nothing to do with the TP's -- I bet something stupid like a rock nailed it or water got in and shorted it or something.

It's still ridiculous that it would fail with less than 17K on the car.

I've also never owned a car with:

1. A dodgy fuel sender (after 7K!)

2. Windshields that chip so easily (week 2)

3. Paint that chipped so easily (day 3!)

4. An auxillary jack on the stereo that stopped working (at 15K, thankfully, replaced under warranty).

These are, again, "minor" issues (love the engine, trans, suspension set up, etc), but they all point to how we have $50K worth of car sold for $30+ K: They used the cheapest parts wherever possible

Agree on 1-4 for sure, I am shocked how I already have chips on the windshield after doing little highway driving and only 3,000 miles. They did have to hit a pretty aggressive price target and that is not an issue, just cut costs where we can't see them!

ProfessorDave · 03-05-2011, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by torpedo2k

FWIW

Thanks for posting the detailed ratings, torpedo

Dang it, a little black, a lot of red, and the overall conclusion is a solid black dot?!?

m4a1mustang · 03-05-2011, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by VCuomo

I wouldn't write off every '09 Z. Mine doesn't have the ECU problem at all. And all of the things that CR said owners rated the car low for are present in all 370Z model years.

Mileage and age of driver?

I know mine didn't start until after 8k, and only really younger folk who can still pick up those high frequencies can hear it. My dad thinks I'm crazy because he can't hear it. Well he can't hear anything to begin with.

SPOHN · 03-05-2011, 09:43 AM

My 2011 has a little whine to it at times. Alot of times I don't notice it unless I'm really paying close attention (listening). But that's mostly when sitting at ideal with no back ground noise. My car has 1200 miles on it at the moment. No big deal though. Like people cars are not perfect. Just like the ECU people whine to much also. Some get tired of it, some don't.

Lug · 03-05-2011, 11:32 AM

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/12/te...gy/12ring.html

ZeeingAround · 03-05-2011, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by OldGuy

Got the new car edition of CR today. I expected its ongoing gripes about the 370Z's poor visibility, harsh ride, road noise and reliability (ECU whine, oil temperature, thin paint, etc) but the crowning gem in this issue is that my year, the 2009, is now listed as among the worst USED cars to buy. I'm sure this will be flaunted by my buyer during re-sale negotiations and will cost me.
Perfect example here of how much harm the press can do.

isn't that the same mag that was raving about the ford taurus?

i am going to enjoy my new Z and not waste one brain cell on what it is worth on the used market.

Put down The consmers reports and pick up a playboy. you'll feel better.

dad · 03-05-2011, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ZeeingAround

Put down The consmers reports and pick up a playboy. you'll feel better.

LunaZ · 03-05-2011, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by OldGuy

Got the new car edition of CR today. I expected its ongoing gripes about the 370Z's poor visibility, harsh ride, road noise and reliability (ECU whine, oil temperature, thin paint, etc) but the crowning gem in this issue is that my year, the 2009, is now listed as among the worst USED cars to buy. I'm sure this will be flaunted by my buyer during re-sale negotiations and will cost me.
Perfect example here of how much harm the press can do.

When I went to test drive a Z, I had some pre-conceived notions based on what the magazines had said about the car. One of those ideas had to do with the road noise.
It's certainly not quiet, but it's also nowhere near as bad as the magazine writers make it out to be.

Why even buy Consumer Reports?
You can get all the whining you need for free here on this forum.

Jordo! · 03-05-2011, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by christian370z

Agree on 1-4 for sure, I am shocked how I already have chips on the windshield after doing little highway driving and only 3,000 miles. They did have to hit a pretty aggressive price target and that is not an issue, just cut costs where we can't see them!

Don't get me wrong -- i love my car, and unless the FT-86 turns out to be super awesome, I'd probably just replace it down the road with another Z.

I'm just whining like a baby because of my wonky O2 sensor

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZeeingAround

Put down The consmers reports and pick up a playboy. you'll feel better.

x2

Hey -- who's the chick in your avatar?

PapoZalsa · 03-05-2011, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by VCuomo

I wouldn't write off every '09 Z. Mine doesn't have the ECU problem at all. And all of the things that CR said owners rated the car low for are present in all 370Z model years.

Mine is 09 too and I don't have an ECU problem.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZeeingAround

Put down The consmers reports and pick up a playboy. you'll feel better.

chuckd05 · 03-05-2011, 09:22 PM

I bet if you check how many short blocks Nissan has replaced due to oil consumption you would be suprised... Talking to my service advisor he told me they have done 6-7 motors due to OC just last summer... and suprisingly a ton of AT's , but on here I have yet to see anyone have one fail...

On top of the trunk hatch, ecu whine, and road noise there is a lot going against it... but I bet OC hurts it badly

03-04-2011, 11:30 PM	#49 (permalink)
dad Grand Prix of Endurance Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Tennessee Posts: 3,476 Drives: Mulsanne Straight Rep Power: 26	They named the Ford Mustang as best sports car. __________________ We can do without any article of luxury we have never had; but once obtained, it is not in human nature to surrender it voluntary.

03-05-2011, 09:43 AM	#53 (permalink)
SPOHN A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Covington, GA Age: 45 Posts: 14,844 Drives: Waiting on next Z Rep Power: 221	My 2011 has a little whine to it at times. Alot of times I don't notice it unless I'm really paying close attention (listening). But that's mostly when sitting at ideal with no back ground noise. My car has 1200 miles on it at the moment. No big deal though. Like people cars are not perfect. Just like the ECU people whine to much also. Some get tired of it, some don't. __________________

03-05-2011, 11:32 AM	#54 (permalink)
Lug A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 1,926 Drives: 2006 350Z Rep Power: 19	http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/12/te...gy/12ring.html __________________ keep Chubbs in your pocket - Chubbs

03-05-2011, 09:22 PM	#60 (permalink)
chuckd05 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: NY Posts: 2,391 Drives: No longer a Z Rep Power: 20	I bet if you check how many short blocks Nissan has replaced due to oil consumption you would be suprised... Talking to my service advisor he told me they have done 6-7 motors due to OC just last summer... and suprisingly a ton of AT's , but on here I have yet to see anyone have one fail... On top of the trunk hatch, ecu whine, and road noise there is a lot going against it... but I bet OC hurts it badly __________________ 09 370Z 6M PW - FBO Best 1/4 mile = 12.926 @ 109 SOLD -- 08 BMW 135i - FBO 12.1@120mph SOLD -- white 09 e92 335 Coupe Mtech - 11.9 @ 119 :-)

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