If you had to do it over again, would you still buy the 370z??

RiCharlie · 03-06-2011, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by juan05

my whole family hates it

What the problem?? There are plenty of good divorce lawyers around...

RiCharlie · 03-06-2011, 04:06 PM

"This is absolutely the best car available for any price. Sure some cars may have more pep but that generally comes with a cost. Either less ability in the curves, less comfort or more money. The Z is a sport car enthusiasts dream come true. Fun everyday with a minimum of compromise and a maximum of value for an affordable price. They just don't make a better combination. Corvette and Mustang and even Porsche owners: Eat your hearts out!"

Sport Car World Review 2010 edition

Dreezy562 · 03-06-2011, 05:16 PM

yes.

BLM · 03-06-2011, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by mick

ford says the mustang boss 302 would even beat the bmw m3 on the track and before the dealer markup it is selling for around $40k.

The boss 302 looks bad *** but it still starts at $4k above a z with sport package. I think it's great that ford is giving their customers (especially the enthusiasts) so many options. Just not for me. I find them terribly ugly and it's just not my style. But I'm glad to see them jumping on the performance/enthusiast bandwagon

68cam454 · 03-06-2011, 11:14 PM

I would never buy a Mustang because:

1. It's a Ford product and I've worked on enough of them to know better.
2. I see what seems like at least 10-15 of them on my daily commute.
3. I see a 370Z once a week or so during my commute.
4. The styling is just too bland.
5. It's not a sports car!!!
6. If I did buy one and parked it near my Camaro....I'm sure my Camaro would make it it's b*tch.....and the Camaro has dual 3" pipes.....ouch!

DrEvil · 03-07-2011, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by 68cam454

I would never buy a Mustang because:

1. It's a Ford product and I've worked on enough of them to know better.
2. I see what seems like at least 10-15 of them on my daily commute.
3. I see a 370Z once a week or so during my commute.
4. The styling is just too bland.
5. It's not a sports car!!!
6. If I did buy one and parked it near my Camaro....I'm sure my Camaro would make it it's b*tch.....and the Camaro has dual 3" pipes.....ouch!

Had a chance to drive my friends' P-51 Roush Mustang, #49/50. 550 whp!
BFD! All that power and you really can't put it to any use on the street.My '03 Accord handled better on the turns than the 'stang did. It is one awesome car, but I think for all it does, my Z is a much better car.

BLM · 03-07-2011, 09:03 AM

There simply is no use for much more than 300 whp on the street unless you're into endangering your life and the lives of other motorists by racing in a straight line on the highway. Never really understood that whole scene. You can have a lot of fun on mountain roads never going over 60 mph. What's more, once you get far above 300 whp, unless you're awd, traction becomes an issue.

RiCharlie · 03-07-2011, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by BLM

There simply is no use for much more than 300 whp on the street unless you're into endangering your life and the lives of other motorists by racing in a straight line on the highway. Never really understood that whole scene. You can have a lot of fun on mountain roads never going over 60 mph. What's more, once you get far above 300 whp, unless you're awd, traction becomes an issue.

Good point

Lug · 03-07-2011, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by BLM

Unless the track has a very long straight I highly doubt the mustang would beat a z even in the fully loaded $40k version with brembo's. And I'd hope the car is faster overall. It has 1300 cc more displacement. I'm
Happy for ford and mustang enthusiasts tho. They must be drooling over it and the value you get for a relatively low price tag. I'd get this over an SS camaro any day.

You do know a 2011 'Stang has matched an M3 on a track, correct? Here, read this...

2011 BMW M3 Coupe vs. 2011 Ford Mustang GT Comparison - Motor Trend

If you think the 370Z can keep up with the new 'stang on anything but an autoX track, you're dreaming. There are many reasons to pick a 370Z over a mustang but normal track performance simply isn't one of them.

BLM · 03-07-2011, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Lug

You do know a 2011 'Stang has matched an M3 on a track, correct? Here, read this...

2011 BMW M3 Coupe vs. 2011 Ford Mustang GT Comparison - Motor Trend

If you think the 370Z can keep up with the new 'stang on anything but an autoX track, you're dreaming. There are many reasons to pick a 370Z over a mustang but normal track performance simply isn't one of them.

As I said before, the only figure where the Mustang GT out-performs the Z is in straight line acceleration. The article you mentioned gave the GT and M3 4.4 0-60 and 12.7 vs 12.8 in the 1/4. I've never seen those times. Most give 4.6 and 12.9-13.0 but it's really splitting hairs. The Z is 0-60 in 4.7 and 1/4 in 13.2-13.3. And one would expect such figures from the mustang, given the extra 100 hp and 1300 cc displacement, as well as 3.73's. The Z does better on the skidpad, slalom, and braking (despite the brembo package on the mustang). The Z is also 300 lbs lighter, and the sport tuned Z is $4000 cheaper than the tested GT with Brembo's and 3.73 gears. Also, iirc doesnt the 400+ hp stang come with 255's in the rear? Traction would be a problem for sure under heavy driving. The sport Z comes stock with 245/275 with less power and less weight. That'd be my first mod if I had one (which i never would). I'd throw some 305's on the rear. I'm very impressed with the Mustang for sure. The improvements they've made are long overdue. The power:weight ratio is imo the most impressive stat on this car. And in grand Ford fashion, they're rating it at 412 hp and they're dynoing stock at 395 whp. But I'd never own one for many reasons, and unless you're on a long straight, given equally skilled drivers I think it would be a close battle between the mustang and the Z on a road course. However, if the mustang had appropriate traction I think it wouldn't be close at all. I just dont see 255 tires being able to have that car hit it's potential on the track given it's weight, power, and stopping ability.

Lug · 03-07-2011, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by BLM

As I said before, the only figure where the Mustang GT out-performs the Z is in straight line acceleration. The article you mentioned gave the GT and M3 4.4 0-60 and 12.7 vs 12.8 in the 1/4. I've never seen those times. Most give 4.6 and 12.9-13.0 but it's really splitting hairs. The Z is 0-60 in 4.7 and 1/4 in 13.2-13.3. And one would expect such figures from the mustang, given the extra 100 hp and 1300 cc displacement, as well as 3.73's. The Z does better on the skidpad, slalom, and braking (despite the brembo package on the mustang). The Z is also 300 lbs lighter, and the sport tuned Z is $4000 cheaper than the tested GT with Brembo's and 3.73 gears. Also, iirc doesnt the 400+ hp stang come with 255's in the rear? Traction would be a problem for sure under heavy driving. The sport Z comes stock with 245/275 with less power and less weight. That'd be my first mod if I had one (which i never would). I'd throw some 305's on the rear. I'm very impressed with the Mustang for sure. The improvements they've made are long overdue. The power:weight ratio is imo the most impressive stat on this car. And in grand Ford fashion, they're rating it at 412 hp and they're dynoing stock at 395 whp. But I'd never own one for many reasons, and unless you're on a long straight, given equally skilled drivers I think it would be a close battle between the mustang and the Z on a road course. However, if the mustang had appropriate traction I think it wouldn't be close at all. I just dont see 255 tires being able to have that car hit it's potential on the track given it's weight, power, and stopping ability.

You didn't read the article, did you?

Let me sum it up then. A professional driver got lap times .09 seconds different between the new M3 and the Mustang GT. The regular MT drivers were actually faster in the mustang than the M3. Is your claim now that a 370Z will beat an M3 around a track? I'm sure we can dig up a lot of same track stats that will prove that to be very inaccurate. The 'stang's power simply outweighs the 370Z's handling on anything other than an autoX track. Afterall, performance is a combination of both power and handling and the new stang is loaded with both. Your pricing is bogus as well. A base GT with the brembo package is under $32,000 retail and can be had for less than $30k. The price you are quoting is a fully loaded luxury package. You top out the 370Z with it's upscale options and they are amazingly similar in price.

BLM · 03-07-2011, 11:17 AM

I hear what you're saying, but you're stating something obvious. A 5.0 Liter motor with 1300 more cc making 100 more hp than the Z will beat it around an extended road course with a highly skilled driver. The fact of the matter is that most people with fast cars can't drive them. I'm not a pro, but i'm certainly not an amateur. I remember when I first starting tracking cars even Miata's scared the crap out of me. Even with a GTR and its hi tech awd it takes a very good driver to get anywhere near the car's potential around a track. The Z is a pure sports car. The mustang is a muscle car with a lot of handling upgrades and aggressive gearing. Just because they're in the same price range doesnt mean they should be compared. And in terms of a Z beating an M3? Again with pro drivers it would be more disparate than with anything else. Unless you or I can duplicate these performance numbers, it's all a theoretical argument. But again you're comparing cars with difference in pricetag of $30,000 and 90-100 hp. A more appropriate comparison would be against an E46 M3, which was still drastically more expensive than a sport or even Nismo Z.

It's apples and oranges really. It's a matter of preference. I'd never drive a Mustang, and I know many people would never drive a Z. And aside from the true Ford/Mustang enthusiasts who track their cars, I think we all know these are going to end up in the hands of teenagers slapping on loud, powerful bolt-ons and ripping it down their local pike. If it were me, i'd throw a roll cage on, add some coilovers, make it breathe a little better and lighten it up as best I can. But that's my preference for what I like to do. And I still dont know if i'd get the same feel as I do with the Z. It's not all numbers and specs. It's how you feel in the car and the driving experience it gives you, which is unique for everyone.

b1adesofcha0s · 03-07-2011, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Lug

You didn't read the article, did you?

Let me sum it up then. A professional driver got lap times .09 seconds different between the new M3 and the Mustang GT. The regular MT drivers were actually faster in the mustang than the M3. Is your claim now that a 370Z will beat an M3 around a track? I'm sure we can dig up a lot of same track stats that will prove that to be very inaccurate. The 'stang's power simply outweighs the 370Z's handling on anything other than an autoX track. Afterall, performance is a combination of both power and handling and the new stang is loaded with both. Your pricing is bogus as well. A base GT with the brembo package is under $32,000 retail and can be had for less than $30k. The price you are quoting is a fully loaded luxury package. You top out the 370Z with it's upscale options and they are amazingly similar in price.

I would think the most reliable person to ask would be someone who is passionate/knowledgeable about both and has owned both, someone like m4a1mustang (who I mentioned before). If you don't believe it, you can ask him yourself.

BLM · 03-07-2011, 11:28 AM

To me that really doesnt matter (nor do any of what we've been going back and forth about) because it's all subjective. m4a1 obviously liked the 5.0 better since he transitioned over. Personally, the Z is the most fun car I've had and by far my favorite.

It's all very subjective.

b1adesofcha0s · 03-07-2011, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by BLM

To me that really doesnt matter (nor do any of what we've been going back and forth about) because it's all subjective. m4a1 obviously liked the 5.0 better since he transitioned over. Personally, the Z is the most fun car I've had and by far my favorite.

It's all very subjective.

I do agree that it is subjective and I love my Z too. When It comes to pure overall performance though, its all about the numbers. The 5.0 GT's put it near the M3's performance level, but the 370Z is not quite at that level. Sure there are certain tracks where the Z would have an advantage over the mustang, but overall the 5.0 would usually win a majority of the time. For example if you were to choose tracks at random, the 5.0 would win more times than not.

03-07-2011, 09:03 AM	#97 (permalink)
BLM Enthusiast Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: NJ Posts: 342 Drives: 2011 Silver M6 sport Rep Power: 14	There simply is no use for much more than 300 whp on the street unless you're into endangering your life and the lives of other motorists by racing in a straight line on the highway. Never really understood that whole scene. You can have a lot of fun on mountain roads never going over 60 mph. What's more, once you get far above 300 whp, unless you're awd, traction becomes an issue. __________________ K&N // GTM // BERK

03-07-2011, 11:17 AM	#102 (permalink)
BLM Enthusiast Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: NJ Posts: 342 Drives: 2011 Silver M6 sport Rep Power: 14	I hear what you're saying, but you're stating something obvious. A 5.0 Liter motor with 1300 more cc making 100 more hp than the Z will beat it around an extended road course with a highly skilled driver. The fact of the matter is that most people with fast cars can't drive them. I'm not a pro, but i'm certainly not an amateur. I remember when I first starting tracking cars even Miata's scared the crap out of me. Even with a GTR and its hi tech awd it takes a very good driver to get anywhere near the car's potential around a track. The Z is a pure sports car. The mustang is a muscle car with a lot of handling upgrades and aggressive gearing. Just because they're in the same price range doesnt mean they should be compared. And in terms of a Z beating an M3? Again with pro drivers it would be more disparate than with anything else. Unless you or I can duplicate these performance numbers, it's all a theoretical argument. But again you're comparing cars with difference in pricetag of $30,000 and 90-100 hp. A more appropriate comparison would be against an E46 M3, which was still drastically more expensive than a sport or even Nismo Z. It's apples and oranges really. It's a matter of preference. I'd never drive a Mustang, and I know many people would never drive a Z. And aside from the true Ford/Mustang enthusiasts who track their cars, I think we all know these are going to end up in the hands of teenagers slapping on loud, powerful bolt-ons and ripping it down their local pike. If it were me, i'd throw a roll cage on, add some coilovers, make it breathe a little better and lighten it up as best I can. But that's my preference for what I like to do. And I still dont know if i'd get the same feel as I do with the Z. It's not all numbers and specs. It's how you feel in the car and the driving experience it gives you, which is unique for everyone. __________________ K&N // GTM // BERK Last edited by BLM; 03-07-2011 at 11:23 AM.

03-07-2011, 11:28 AM	#104 (permalink)
BLM Enthusiast Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: NJ Posts: 342 Drives: 2011 Silver M6 sport Rep Power: 14	To me that really doesnt matter (nor do any of what we've been going back and forth about) because it's all subjective. m4a1 obviously liked the 5.0 better since he transitioned over. Personally, the Z is the most fun car I've had and by far my favorite. It's all very subjective. __________________ K&N // GTM // BERK

03-06-2011, 04:06 PM	#92 (permalink)
RiCharlie Track Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Johnston RI Posts: 857 Drives: 370 Touring Spt A/t Rep Power: 15	"This is absolutely the best car available for any price. Sure some cars may have more pep but that generally comes with a cost. Either less ability in the curves, less comfort or more money. The Z is a sport car enthusiasts dream come true. Fun everyday with a minimum of compromise and a maximum of value for an affordable price. They just don't make a better combination. Corvette and Mustang and even Porsche owners: Eat your hearts out!" Sport Car World Review 2010 edition

03-06-2011, 05:16 PM	#93 (permalink)
Dreezy562 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Long beach, ca Posts: 419 Drives: 40th Rep Power: 14	yes.

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68cam454 Base Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Portland Oregon Posts: 90 Drives: GM Nismo/68 454 Cam Rep Power: 14	I would never buy a Mustang because: 1. It's a Ford product and I've worked on enough of them to know better. 2. I see what seems like at least 10-15 of them on my daily commute. 3. I see a 370Z once a week or so during my commute. 4. The styling is just too bland. 5. It's not a sports car!!! 6. If I did buy one and parked it near my Camaro....I'm sure my Camaro would make it it's b*tch.....and the Camaro has dual 3" pipes.....ouch!