Anyone know more about the EVENT DATA RECORDER ?

chubbs

I thought this naughty little thing was worth a thread of its own...


Thanks to ncnick in another thread, I have become aware of this stealthy little device that's fitted to all 370z's. Does anyone have any hard facts about how and when it operates and what it records (the text below doesn't say it ONLY records the list of items it mentions)? As nick says, might it be recording all the time? It would be good to know precise details of something that is logging your behaviour as a driver, wouldn't it?

Here is the information contained within the 370z Owners' Manual, as copied from nick's post...

EVENT DATA RECORDER (EDR)

This vehicle is equipped with an Event Data Recorder (EDR). The main purpose of an EDR is to record, in certain crash or near crash-like situations, such as an air bag deployment or hitting a road obstacle, data that will assist in understanding how a vehicle’s systems performed. The EDR is designed to record data related to vehicle dynamics and safety systems for a short period of time, typically 30 seconds or less. The EDR in this vehicle is designed to record such data as:
. How various systems in your vehicle were operating;
. Whether or not the driver and passenger safety belts were buckled/fastened;
. How far (if at all) the driver was depressing the accelerator and/or
brake pedal; and,
. How fast the vehicle was traveling.
. Sounds are not recorded.

These data can help provide a better understanding of the circumstances in which crashes and injuries occur.

NOTE:
EDR data are recorded by your vehicle only if a nontrivial crash situation occurs; no data are recorded by the EDR under normal driving conditions and no personal data (e.g. name, gender, age and crash location) are recorded. However, other parties, such as law enforcement, could combine the EDR data with the type of personally identifying data routinely acquired during a crash investigation.

To read data recorded by an EDR, special equipment is required and access to the vehicle or the EDR is needed. In addition to the vehicle manufacturer and NISSAN dealer, other parties, such as law enforcement, that have the special equipment, can read the information if they have access to the vehicle or the EDR.



Edit - It's in Section 9, page 20.

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Pushing_Tin

Big brother is watching, I'd like to find a way to disable it.

armensti

how can we take that crap out????????

Minicobra1

Yes, this is big brother. My theory is that insurance companies will push for this to lessen their liability. I don't doubt that one day we will see in the fine print that they will not cover a vehicle in an incident, where the driver was not complying with the law. I can probably safely say that anyone that has every purchased a sports car such as the 370z has at some point exceeded the posted speed limit. Say your cruising on a canyon road driving at a spirited, but not wreckless pace and you loose it on a turn and take out the car. Well, the EDR will show your G-Force load, speed in the turn, brake force, etc, etc. The insurance company may use this information against you and not honor your claim according to the terms and conditions of the insurance contract. These types of recorders are becoming more common place, and will eventually be found in all vehicles.

I would think that there might be a legal loop hole at the present, where you could claim you never signed a privacy policy on the original vehicle purchase contract that authorized anyone other then the owner to collect or distribute this data. Although, it may be a local or State law. Remember, driving is a privilege not a constitutional right.

I also think that the technology is there to where they could, if they wanted too, set up the EDR to transmit data via GPS to local authorities in the event of excessive speeding or reckless driving. IE: send you a ticket in the mail if you were going 20mph over the speed limit.
This is completely possible, the technology exist, and just think of how much money each city or county or state could save on installing and maintaining speed cameras, etc. With the GPS, each city or county could have there own local laws, so if you were driving say through Nevada, they may have it set to only 10mph over the speed limit, where New Mexico would be 20mph. With the GPS, it could track you through different cities speed zones, etc. and cite you accordingly.
I'm not saying this is going to happen, or at least any time soon, just saying that it could.

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wstar

Probably the "EDR" we have is the same one most modern OBD-II vehicles have, it's not unique to Nissan. If you really want to get your tin-foil hat on about remote telemetry, you should google up info on the OBD-III proposals.

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chicagozer

You can't blame the insurance companies for not wanting to pay claims to reckless drivers.

This article is pretty interesting. If you think you are going to win a case to keep law enforcement or your insurance company out of your black box, you might be in for a fight.

http://www.jlolaw.com/Articles/AutoD...ticModules.pdf

And good luck trying to disable it. It's likely part of the computer that deploys your airbags.

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theDreamer

Yep, also, you will need to look up local/state laws on the usage of this. Many states have actually stated this information cannot be used against a drive, only can be used to see what exactly happened. Now, it has not stopped insurance companies from dropping coverage, but just think of these as black boxes for cars.

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Mike@Blackline

there will undoubtedly be hacks and ways around something that is remotely observed as opposed to on-board EDRs. this means those who bypass it would be saving money in the end. yays!

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joe370z

To find out what the EDR is recording find out who made it. It's usually a company like Bosch or something and I've already had to fight in court against the cops trying to use EDR data against me. Thankfully common sense prevailed but seriously its pretty scary these days

Modshack

This is ripe for the conspiracy theorists!

On a good note, without that data they wouldn't have proven that the Whack with the runaway Prius was a blatant liar. Seems it can work both ways..

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Do we really need multiple threads on this thing that don't contain any more information than simply "Read Your Manual"?

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Big Brother is watching this thread...

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Supergoji

the whole point is HOW DO YOU DISABLE IT.

Cyberium

Disconnect the battery.

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