Anyone know more about the EVENT DATA RECORDER ?

kenchan · 06-04-2010, 03:44 PM

remove the engine

J. Dub · 10-05-2010, 12:29 PM

Do we even know if we have a EDR? If so does anyone know where it actually resides?

spearfish25 · 10-05-2010, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by J. Dub

Do we even know if we have a EDR? If so does anyone know where it actually resides?

The manual says we have one (see first post), so I figure it resides in the manual.

aling lukring · 10-05-2010, 01:19 PM

nissan service dept told me that when the engine light is on that when it starts recording and records 30 seconds before it turns on.he said as long as that thing is on he can pull data of the car.idk thats what he just told me because when he tried to see what my revs are on the car he couldnt because my engine light didnt go off.

ZedZed · 10-05-2010, 01:20 PM

You need to crash your car to disable it.

ThoriumHotdog · 10-05-2010, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Modshack

This is ripe for the conspiracy theorists!

On a good note, without that data they wouldn't have proven that the Whack with the runaway Prius was a blatant liar. Seems it can work both ways..

Solution to avoid having your car know what you're thinking:

You have to keep your thoughts positive or Christine will run you over!

J. Dub · 10-05-2010, 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aling lukring

nissan service dept told me that when the engine light is on that when it starts recording and records 30 seconds before it turns on.he said as long as that thing is on he can pull data of the car.idk thats what he just told me because when he tried to see what my revs are on the car he couldnt because my engine light didnt go off.

So it's most likely built into the OBII I presume? F, I wanna remove mine. Guess I can't now.

billydsz · 10-05-2010, 02:51 PM

You can pretty much guarantee that removing it, if possible at all, instantly voids the warranty. Also they were probably smart enough to make it extremely difficult to remove... as others said, eg made it integral to the operation of the vehicle.

It would probably be easier to feed it a false signal somehow rather than remove it........

billydsz · 10-05-2010, 03:48 PM

Here's an interesting thread on the topic and in it is a method that may disable the EDR. But it's a scary mod and may be illegal as well as cause airbag malfunctions.

removing (EDR) event data recorder? - Nissan Titan Forum

SeattleLion · 10-05-2010, 04:23 PM

My Toyota Prius had a data recorder and in the manual it said that Toyota could access the data to defend itself in a civil law suit. Sheesh.

There's no question that as technology and particularly, communications technology gets cheaper, there will be a giant temptation to enforce all sorts of behavior (like driving) using sensors that report to the mother ship.

Like most new technologies, the law has yet to catch up with the implications of these new "opportunities". It seems to me that we need some protection from EDR recordings. I certainly didn't see anything in my purchase agreement that gave Nissan the right to record my use of the vehicle.

This has come up before when some car rental companies began putting black boxes into their cars that used cell service to report speeding. There was a suit over this and the rental company lost. So now they just put a notice of this device into the rental contract and can charge surcharges for exceeding the "contractual" speed.

There are commercial devices that record continuously and allow download into a USB dongle. These are being marketed to parents to allow them to supervise their teenage children's driving habits. It also report the gps location of the car so that parents can also know where their kids went.

My point is that the technology to keep track of us and our driving behavior exists now and is pretty inexpensive. EDR's are really the least of our worries. However, I sure hate that there is a data recorder in my car and would love to get rid of it. Of course I won't. I think that if I am in a crash, the EDR would probably contribute little help to the insurance companies or the cops. There is too much other evidence available.

J. Dub · 10-05-2010, 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billydsz

You can pretty much guarantee that removing it, if possible at all, instantly voids the warranty. Also they were probably smart enough to make it extremely difficult to remove... as others said, eg made it integral to the operation of the vehicle.

It would probably be easier to feed it a false signal somehow rather than remove it........

Quote:

Originally Posted by billydsz

Here's an interesting thread on the topic and in it is a method that may disable the EDR. But it's a scary mod and may be illegal as well as cause airbag malfunctions.

removing (EDR) event data recorder? - Nissan Titan Forum

Mother of God

AtomicRob · 10-05-2010, 04:35 PM

I miss my old 75 280z even more now...

I might just build my next car...

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aling lukring Base Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: florida Posts: 67 Drives: 09 370z silver 6spd Rep Power: 16	nissan service dept told me that when the engine light is on that when it starts recording and records 30 seconds before it turns on.he said as long as that thing is on he can pull data of the car.idk thats what he just told me because when he tried to see what my revs are on the car he couldnt because my engine light didnt go off.

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billydsz Enthusiast Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: New Bern Posts: 252 Drives: 9 370z SptCp SRd 7AT Rep Power: 16	You can pretty much guarantee that removing it, if possible at all, instantly voids the warranty. Also they were probably smart enough to make it extremely difficult to remove... as others said, eg made it integral to the operation of the vehicle. It would probably be easier to feed it a false signal somehow rather than remove it........

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billydsz Enthusiast Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: New Bern Posts: 252 Drives: 9 370z SptCp SRd 7AT Rep Power: 16	Here's an interesting thread on the topic and in it is a method that may disable the EDR. But it's a scary mod and may be illegal as well as cause airbag malfunctions. removing (EDR) event data recorder? - Nissan Titan Forum

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SeattleLion Base Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Seattle WA Posts: 226 Drives: '13 Mustang GT Prem. Rep Power: 234	My Toyota Prius had a data recorder and in the manual it said that Toyota could access the data to defend itself in a civil law suit. Sheesh. There's no question that as technology and particularly, communications technology gets cheaper, there will be a giant temptation to enforce all sorts of behavior (like driving) using sensors that report to the mother ship. Like most new technologies, the law has yet to catch up with the implications of these new "opportunities". It seems to me that we need some protection from EDR recordings. I certainly didn't see anything in my purchase agreement that gave Nissan the right to record my use of the vehicle. This has come up before when some car rental companies began putting black boxes into their cars that used cell service to report speeding. There was a suit over this and the rental company lost. So now they just put a notice of this device into the rental contract and can charge surcharges for exceeding the "contractual" speed. There are commercial devices that record continuously and allow download into a USB dongle. These are being marketed to parents to allow them to supervise their teenage children's driving habits. It also report the gps location of the car so that parents can also know where their kids went. My point is that the technology to keep track of us and our driving behavior exists now and is pretty inexpensive. EDR's are really the least of our worries. However, I sure hate that there is a data recorder in my car and would love to get rid of it. Of course I won't. I think that if I am in a crash, the EDR would probably contribute little help to the insurance companies or the cops. There is too much other evidence available.

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AtomicRob Base Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Kernersville, NC Posts: 40 Drives: 10 Nissan 370z P A7 Rep Power: 15	I miss my old 75 280z even more now... I might just build my next car...