Do you believe in factory freaks

ddvette9 · 02-20-2011, 10:21 AM

if you know what a factory freak is then comment. its basically a car that gets turned out and is better than a bunch of others for "freakish reasons". My friend swears by it.

Basically you could stick two stoc z's with the same driver and one would be faster bc its a "factory freak".

The dyno numbers are so skewed some people on here claiming such high numbers have to have freaks from the factory.

Any experience or comments.....I swear I got the runt of the litter LOL

Vegitto-kun · 02-20-2011, 10:50 AM

well there will always be slight differences between engine but its not like one Z is going to be 40 HP more powerfull.

the only ones that I can recall have differences are hand built engine like the GT-R's engine.

red6spd · 02-20-2011, 10:53 AM

Yea factory freak cars are really only going to be on hand built cars

wheee! · 02-20-2011, 11:00 AM

The ECU probably kills any individualism anyways.....

USMCASA · 02-20-2011, 11:16 AM

every 1000th car gets a free port and polish from the factory lol

kenchan · 02-20-2011, 11:53 AM

Yah tolerance in spec. This is normal.

CBRich · 02-20-2011, 11:58 AM

I'm with wheee. Every ECU is the exact same. And it determines what's going on.

Nitrouz · 02-20-2011, 12:46 PM

It used to happen a lot more. Since the factory tolerances are getting tighter and tighter, it's very unlikely these days. Not saying it wont' happen, just very unlikely.

Nikon FM · 02-20-2011, 12:54 PM

Iv'e talked with two different tuners and their comments are that each 370Z/VQ is different. How that plays with the "factory tolerance" is a good question.

I have an early 09 and feel like my car is special or per the OP a freak.

Nitrouz · 02-20-2011, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Nikon FM

Iv'e talked with two different tuners and their comments are that each 370Z/VQ is different. How that plays with the "factory tolerance" is a good question.

I have an early 09 and feel like my car is special or per the OP a freak.

Not fair......I think they ran out of the 370Z engine internals and stuck a few Versa pistons in my VQ.....

Nikon FM · 02-20-2011, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Nitrouz

Not fair......I think they ran out of the 370Z engine internals and stuck a few Versa pistons in my VQ.....

Gotta find that good tuner I guess

christian370z · 02-20-2011, 01:25 PM

I don't believe that there are "freaks," I just think that they were on some optimistic dynos.

Red__Zed · 02-20-2011, 01:35 PM

There certainly can be factory freaks. One of my friends had an S2k that would consistently dyno 30-40 more whp than others, when they were run back to back on the same dyno. It is much less common due to tight factory specs, but it does happen.

Most people enjoy claiming they have a "factory freak" after running on a dyno that overrates power, but they're actually very rare.

BrianMSmith · 02-20-2011, 02:08 PM

maybe two percent variation in power at the most. Test/dyno/operator can make a bigger difference than that. Cars are engineered and manufactured to very high controls and repeatability these days, even "hand built" Italian cars. It's a matter of economics.

BrianMSmith · 02-20-2011, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

There certainly can be factory freaks. One of my friends had an S2k that would consistently dyno 30-40 more whp than others, when they were run back to back on the same dyno. It is much less common due to tight factory specs, but it does happen.

your friend's car was modified. This is simply not possible according to physics. Do the math on BMEP and you'll see that to produce 20%+ more power, something rather drastic is required - displacement, forced air, nitrous, head modification, etc.

02-20-2011, 10:21 AM	#1 (permalink)
ddvette9 Track Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 823 Drives: 2013 Scion FRS Rep Power: 17	Do you believe in factory freaks if you know what a factory freak is then comment. its basically a car that gets turned out and is better than a bunch of others for "freakish reasons". My friend swears by it. Basically you could stick two stoc z's with the same driver and one would be faster bc its a "factory freak". The dyno numbers are so skewed some people on here claiming such high numbers have to have freaks from the factory. Any experience or comments.....I swear I got the runt of the litter LOL

02-20-2011, 10:53 AM	#3 (permalink)
red6spd A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Long Island NY Posts: 3,277 Drives: 2010 Z Coupe M6 SPT Rep Power: 21	Yea factory freak cars are really only going to be on hand built cars __________________ 2010 Base+Sport 6spd: Stillen G3, FI Non-Resonated CBE, FI Non-Resonated Test Pipes, UpRev Tuned, Custom 24R Oil Cooler, JDM Rear Fog-OEM Harness. ???Whp ???WTQ (Will find out come spring time)

02-20-2011, 11:00 AM	#4 (permalink)
wheee! A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Mod Capital of Canada Age: 57 Posts: 7,354 Drives: cars. lots of cars. Rep Power: 40182	The ECU probably kills any individualism anyways..... __________________ H&R / Stillen / Berk / HKS / Swift / Michelin / UpRev / SPC / Amuse Rep / Seibon / Fringe XVO / TWM / more... My Journal

02-20-2011, 12:46 PM	#8 (permalink)
Nitrouz Track Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 934 Drives: 40th Z, GTR, 420z-tt Rep Power: 15	It used to happen a lot more. Since the factory tolerances are getting tighter and tighter, it's very unlikely these days. Not saying it wont' happen, just very unlikely. __________________ 2010 370Z 40th Anniversary - Anastasia VENACI / AERO JACKET / HKS USA / MXP / NISMO / FALKEN / STILLEN / T1R / MR WORKS / CARBON SIGNAL / EVO-R / BLUE BATMOBILE

02-20-2011, 12:54 PM	#9 (permalink)
Nikon FM Track Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Snoqualmie WA Posts: 973 Drives: 03 996TT Porsche Rep Power: 606	Iv'e talked with two different tuners and their comments are that each 370Z/VQ is different. How that plays with the "factory tolerance" is a good question. I have an early 09 and feel like my car is special or per the OP a freak. __________________ Buddy Revell: "One man's sooner is another man's later"

02-20-2011, 10:50 AM	#2 (permalink)
Vegitto-kun A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: USA Posts: 2,011 Drives: 09 370Z Rep Power: 262	well there will always be slight differences between engine but its not like one Z is going to be 40 HP more powerfull. the only ones that I can recall have differences are hand built engine like the GT-R's engine.

02-20-2011, 11:16 AM	#5 (permalink)
USMCASA A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: NC Posts: 1,152 Drives: 09 370z CY M6 Rep Power: 17	every 1000th car gets a free port and polish from the factory lol

02-20-2011, 11:53 AM	#6 (permalink)
kenchan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: N/A Posts: 76,801 Drives: N/A Rep Power: 141521	Yah tolerance in spec. This is normal.

02-20-2011, 11:58 AM	#7 (permalink)
CBRich A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: SC Posts: 2,464 Drives: 370Z Rep Power: 544	I'm with wheee. Every ECU is the exact same. And it determines what's going on.

02-20-2011, 01:25 PM	#12 (permalink)
christian370z A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Newport Beach Posts: 3,900 Drives: 2010 370Z/Saab 900se Rep Power: 432	I don't believe that there are "freaks," I just think that they were on some optimistic dynos. __________________ -320whp / 259wftlbs- SP Rays -- RE-11s -- SpecialtyZ Tune -- Swift Springs -- Stillen 25R Oil Cooler -- Stillen G3 Intakes -- Berk HFCs -- F.I. 12" CBE -- Stillen Sway Bars -- Es14 Spring -- INGS+1 lip -- CF Spoiler -- GTR Start Button -- VLED Parking Lights -- PWJDM V2 shift knob

02-20-2011, 01:35 PM	#13 (permalink)
Red__Zed A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: window seat Posts: 28,940 Drives: Mostly on two wheels Rep Power: 120	There certainly can be factory freaks. One of my friends had an S2k that would consistently dyno 30-40 more whp than others, when they were run back to back on the same dyno. It is much less common due to tight factory specs, but it does happen. Most people enjoy claiming they have a "factory freak" after running on a dyno that overrates power, but they're actually very rare.

02-20-2011, 02:08 PM	#14 (permalink)
BrianMSmith Enthusiast Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: secret Posts: 267 Drives: 370Z, Ducati 748S Rep Power: 15	maybe two percent variation in power at the most. Test/dyno/operator can make a bigger difference than that. Cars are engineered and manufactured to very high controls and repeatability these days, even "hand built" Italian cars. It's a matter of economics.

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