2013 370z?
 

First of all, I hope this is not a repost of comeone's thread (I can't find any with a quick search)...

Just found an R&T article about the potential new Z

2013 Nissan Z Photos and Official Info? Future Cars ? RoadandTrack.com

I also like the sleeker look. 360hp, 450 ft-lb with 30mpg? That is nice! What do you guys think of the possibility of this making into production?

Its a chopped G and Ashton. Lol, but honestly I don't believe that would be in production. The specs maybe. The mpg, don't think so. In my honest opinion; it wouldn't feel like a traditional Z. Nissan is in fact aware of the potential it has, but like before I don't believe it'll be.

Wow I hope that's wrong. Imo a hybrid or diesel would completely ruin the car. I would never buy one of those that's for sure.

I will reply very carefully as my post yesterday was not carefully worded.

No more fangs!
No more big door handles!
Different headlights! (not a huge fan, but I am sure production model will be toned down)
M Hybrid with 360hp with 30 mpg

I would even bet they got rid of the LED gas gauge. (no interior pics)

If this is a 2013 then it would be for sale next year!

SIGN ME UP!

I certainly agree. Many members, I believe, are true car fanatics. A hybrid as a sports car wouldn't make as much sales as Nissan intends to.

Why not? Both of those engines have more potential than an NA GAS engine.

A diesel has massive torque as does an electric drive to assist as gas engine.

The hybrid would completely ruin the handling because it would add so much weight. So that's out. As for the diesel, there is just something about it that I don't like. Im not saying everyone has to agree with me but thats my opinion. I don't really wanna drive around a Z puffing black smoke out the back lol If they came out with either of these, I would simply by a different car like a mustang or something.

talking about hybrid, honda thought the cr-z hybrid would fly but it didn't.

The weight of the Hybrid I can understand.

Puffing black smoke diesel - LOL. Yeah, that's not quite how they work anymore. Check out the BMW 335d. How about the Audi R8 Diesel?

Detroit 2008: Audi unleashes its diesel monster, the R8 V12 TDI — Autoblog

Hybrids don't work on the track too well, so not a good sports car choice (F1's second try not withstanding).

That's not the first teaser design, it won't be the last! But I do like it!:tup:

I definitely understand where your coming from but it just wouldn't be for me. I'd prefer a gas motor. Btw I have a buddy who just bought a 2010 mercedes ml320 blutec and it puffs black smoke when he gets on it. Just sayin.

The CRZ is a fail for other reasons IMO. It does nothing well.

It would sell very well if it did JUST ONE of these these things: got 55+ mpg, handled like an NSX, did 0-60 in under 6 seconds, or cost under $15K loaded.

I think Nissan should start with a more powerful V6 or even better an I6. And then just tune the crap out of it. Think 90's Toyota Supra. This car has very limited appeal, so it doesn't need more engines; it needs refinement. Make it 400 lbs lighter, DSG transmission, higher OD gear, oil cooler, ... so yeah ... pass on a hybrid and diesel - and focus on making the current car better.

Now those are all good ideas. I would definitely go for that.

+1
All of the naysayers need to watch the American LeMans series and watch the Audis and Peugeots to see just how freakin' fast a diesel can be.
Consider the fact that Porsche has come up with a machine that will do around 200 mph and get 76 mpg. 500HP V8 with 200HP of electric motors.

Seems to me that the "enthusiasts" are the ones holding back progress to better technologies.

"Mr. Ford. I don't need your silly horseless carriage. I'll stick with my two horses and buggy."

If this hybrid gets 30mpg, I can only imagine this Z will be light; hence handle as well, if not better, as the current car.

Having said, I still really love my '09 Z!

im so glad i bought my 370z before it was ruined by electric motor and potentially loosing MT... never know when they might do electronic clutch on the Z..

*Runs out to the garage*

*Hugs his MT*

I know it's the wave of the future, but gads, I'm gonna miss these if they go...

i like the look, other than it needs wider looking fender in the rear. As for engine, a diesel would be wrong, just wrong, hybrid, might be cool, if the weight stays low, the added power could be, scratch that, WOULD be awesome!

No kidding. I don't think they actually expected it to perform but sales wise, yeah. They should have released it with at least a 160 hp gas motor.

That said, I see some advantage to having a hybrid ASSIST gas motor. Tack on an extra 50 hp on demand to a 330 hp plus motor and I'd sign up. Depends on how much weight is added. A hybrid-on-demand system wouldn't require as many batteries (weight) as a hybrid like the CR-Z would.

Diesel, no thanks.


Personally, I think this Z car mock up looks fantastic.
http://www.roadandtrack.com/var/ezfl...san-z_full.jpg




Hybrids do have manual transmissions...TRUE manual transmissions and no just flappy paddles. :) So thats not an issue fellas.

I believe some are, single speed, fixed gear.

Feel free to look into it.

There are five speed manual transmission hybrid motors. Here's a hint, its a Honda.

why not? even almighty formula 1 cars are going "hybrid"
as for diesel, isn't audi dominating le mans with diesel engines or something?

did the race car companies do this voluntary or did they do it because the rules forced them to do it?

imo, the gas prices in the us are not high enough for most people who are into sports cars to select a hybrid engine car over a high performance car.

Maybe we all are going to own the last drivers car Z. lol... That hybrid and diesel crap is not going to happen. Picture chevy making a hybrid or diesel vett?? They would not be able to give them away, people flipped when they got rid of the pop of headlights.

I hope that is not what it looks like...it looks like a damn eclipse.

is does look like a damn eclipse...so the current gen went back to its roots by making it have lines reminiscent of the first gen z’s... then this coming gen is going to look like every other car in the market?...

nonetheless i like the front fascia though... hope somebody creates a kit out of it...

i really like the styling, but i don't think they will keep the same wheels.

I need to go hug my MT too.

I was recently offered a nice 300ZX tt with few miles upon it. I went to look at it and it had an auto. I didn't even ask the price or want to test drive it. To each his own. Mine will be manual for as long as it lasts.

Folks, the styling is simply an artist's rendition for the article at hand. If anything the current styling rekindled the Z's heritage like no other in the lineage of the Z appealing to larger demographic than before. The mechanics of the newer drivetrains will have a heavy-hand in the styling direction.

I wasn't referring to the Honda.
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Audi pretty much dominates LeMans in it's classification.

Hybrid = heavy unless millions of dollars are invested in making it lightweight (Porsche 918 RSR). Any hybrid in the Z will be a 'run of the mill' hybrid and make it a 3800lb+ car. Bye bye handling.

There is currently little to no market for diesels in the USA. I for one have no desire to drive all around Chicago looking for diesel pumps. Yes, Audi and Peugeot have wicked diesel racers, but again, they have massive budgets. The Z wouldn't get a race diesel engine...it would get a regular car diesel engine with some tweaking.

I didn't buy a Z for fuel economy. I don't care if it gets 30+mpg. If that's what I was looking for, I'd have a Prius. I want a fast, fun, lightweight car that performs well. If Nissan wants to improve fuel economy and performance together, make the Z 500lbs lighter. Lets get some CF panels, aluminum spaceframe, etc. That's far better than futuristic drivetrains.

diesel in a sports car is a no go in my books.
If I get in a sports car I want a decently torquey high revving linear powerbnd motor.
a diesel is a high torque 1000 rpm power band motor. its just not right.
plus if you had a diesel in one of these somewhat light weight rwd sports cars traction control would be going off every other second. you wouldnt be able to apply the gas pedal on corner exit, you wouldnt be able to gun it from a stop light. you could nail it on the hwy and enjoy that instant torque *** kicking but then 2 seconds later its hit 3000 rpm and its on its face.

I completely agree.
What the F*** happened to all the lightweight nimble sports cars out there?
**** there are only a handful of production cars under 3500 pounds now. we going back to the damn 60's?

Thank you. I hate it when these renders are discussed as if they were the real thing. If you want to see what the potential future of a hybrid Z is, look at something more official from Nissan, the ESFLOW:

http://www.crunchgear.com/wp-content.../02/esflow.jpg
http://images.thecarconnection.com/l...00340896_l.jpg
http://images.thecarconnection.com/l...00340895_l.jpg

No word on where this concept fits for Nissan, but it's styling will likely have some influence on the future of Nissan's sports cars and the drivetrain can potentially be used, as well.

Why so ugly? :(

aluminum V8
 

2 more cylinders should yield an additional 100+ HP.

So, a new Z in '13?

That is really FUGLY!!!

I like the headlights and wrap-around windshield, but the proportions are just way off. The 370z might be the last hoorah before it all turn digital. MT will be the 1st to go. It worked for the most part for the GT-R. It will be sad to see it go.

Concepts are just that, and rarely get it right.

http://www.carstyling.ru/resources/c...nissan_z_1.jpg
http://www.conceptnissan.com/misc/Z-concept-01.jpg
http://www.conceptnissan.com/misc/Z-concept-02.jpg

I like this one that came out a few months ago and shows a better direction of Nissans design language.
http://autocarsnews.info/wp-content/...pt-Picture.jpg

http://www.autosnewspaper.com/wp-con...imagined-3.jpg