new to Z's help please

Fairlady-Z · 02-17-2011, 12:56 AM

Hey everyone, I finally have money to buy or consider buying a Z.
Sadly has to be used though, so im looking into a 2009 370z 6peed Touring with NAVI. About close to 8,000 miles.

I havent had any Z's or nissans b4 so i dont know the pricing for the car.
They asked for 30k
I live in nyc so we get snow here in the winters if this changes anything,

Im wondering how much i could haggle down the price for, what would your recommendations on a good price i should settle for.

I do plan on bringing cash with me to the dealer ship to help the price, but i dont know whats a rip off and whats a steal. Your input would be appreciated thanks

dmhenderson · 02-17-2011, 01:03 AM

1) It's not a good city driving car. Stop and go traffic in NYC in a 6 speed manual will test your patience.

2) You will need to put it in a garage all winter in NYC. Even with snow tires, it's a light RWD sports car.

3) 30k seems awfully high for that package. Even in pristine condition, I'd say 25 or maybe even 20 would be a fair price depending on what else the seller has done to it.

4) As always, before you even dream of making an offer, have your mechanic take a hard look at it.

5) The car is pure sex and it's by far the most fun I've ever had in a vehicle.

dmhenderson · 02-17-2011, 01:08 AM

Actually, I take that back. For NYC and adjacent zip codes, 30k seems to be about right although I see a few for 28kish.

cossie1600 · 02-17-2011, 01:14 AM

kinda pricey, i will sell you my base + sport for that price :0

dmhenderson · 02-17-2011, 01:34 AM

Yeah that looks like a dealer resell price. Kelly blue book should give you a pretty good idea. It even lets you price out options etc.

MVPTonyD · 02-17-2011, 01:50 AM

Get a STi or a Evo.

jaedub · 02-17-2011, 02:02 AM

30k is a little high imo. I'd say 26k is reasonable price. And Z is just pure awesome. No doubt one of the best sports car ever made. You'll be fine on the road as long as you have snow tires on. And yes, as the previous comment stated, have a professional check on the car. Lots of fraud out there these days

cerruto · 02-17-2011, 08:40 AM

Since you aqre in the NYC area, talk to joe at Koeppel if you can. Guy seems to be able to work wonders with Z's.

ProfessorDave · 02-17-2011, 08:47 AM

I did some online searching for used Z's recently (just to see what cars like mine are going for), and found the typical range for a 2009 touring to be 26-32k within a 200 mile radius from NE PA (which would include the OP's area). I don't think any I looked at had the navi, but 30k seems like a good starting place for a negotiation down to 27 or 28k.

You don't need to garage the Z all winter (I've been able to drive mine once a week), but definitely recommend a second set of tires (I'm running Hankook Ventus all season performance right now, but even they can't handle a little snow or ice). A daily driver for bad weather is ideal.

Red__Zed · 02-17-2011, 10:09 AM

I don't know why everyone is knocking the price, that sound about right for Touring + Nav in your area. It's a good deal, and not a great one per se, but I don't think there is anything wrong with it if it is what you want.

Carmax offered me 29.7 for mine with 4k miles, so I don't think you'd be doing too bad on that buy, again presuming the T+S is what you want.

You could get a used base or base + sport for that price though.

Also, depending on what your winter driving plans are, you may want to look at something better suited for year round driving.

Fairlady-Z · 02-17-2011, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by MVPTonyD

Get a STi or a Evo.

Lol expand on your thoughts please

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red__Zed

I don't know why everyone is knocking the price, that sound about right for Touring + Nav in your area. It's a good deal, and not a great one per se, but I don't think there is anything wrong with it if it is what you want.

Carmax offered me 29.7 for mine with 4k miles, so I don't think you'd be doing too bad on that buy, again presuming the T+S is what you want.

You could get a used base or base + sport for that price though.

Also, depending on what your winter driving plans are, you may want to look at something better suited for year round driving.

Ah i see, but still that was starting price, i think i could maybe get it down another 1-2k, but a year round round car?
I do have one other car under my list to look at, happens to be a Evo X, one reason i dont really want to buy it is the warranty is horrible compared to Nissan's, and the car itslef is pretty high maintenance, is it the same on the Z too maintence wise?

Red__Zed · 02-17-2011, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Fairlady-Z

Lol expand on your thoughts please

Ah i see, but still that was starting price, i think i could maybe get it down another 1-2k, but a year round round car?
I do have one other car under my list to look at, happens to be a Evo X, one reason i dont really want to buy it is the warranty is horrible compared to Nissan's, and the car itslef is pretty high maintenance, is it the same on the Z too maintence wise?

I think you should be able to get a good price for the car, I'd work to get it at 28k.

As far as maintenance, it depends on what you are used to. I don't think the Z is that bad, but the EVO isn't much worse.
I'd also take a look at the STI, or the WRX if maintenance is more of a concern. Not that you couldn't drive the Z year round, I just wouldn't want to, both from a safety and a car-care perspective. Subaru's warranty is pretty solid as well.

Fairlady-Z · 02-17-2011, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

I think you should be able to get a good price for the car, I'd work to get it at 28k.

As far as maintenance, it depends on what you are used to. I don't think the Z is that bad, but the EVO isn't much worse.
I'd also take a look at the STI, or the WRX if maintenance is more of a concern. Not that you couldn't drive the Z year round, I just wouldn't want to, both from a safety and a car-care perspective. Subaru's warranty is pretty solid as well.

ah I see, Yeah i understand why people wouldnt drive it in the winter, especially since over at NYC the winters now the snow are getting much heavier and much more frequent.

I def would take a look into the STI, esp the new 4 door sedans

Stock for stock im guessing Subaru warranty is better, since i plan on modding down the road for either car

Red__Zed · 02-17-2011, 10:43 AM

Both companies are kind of hit-or-miss if you mod the car. In general, you can get away with minor stuff on both and still get stuff covered. On the Subaru, you'll see more of a gain outta small mods.

Throwing an AP and a catback actually adds significant power, vs similar mods on a Z.

Fairlady-Z · 02-17-2011, 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red__Zed

Both companies are kind of hit-or-miss if you mod the car. In general, you can get away with minor stuff on both and still get stuff covered. On the Subaru, you'll see more of a gain outta small mods.

Throwing an AP and a catback actually adds significant power, vs similar mods on a Z.

Then i guess its down to a drivers feel of each car, time to schedule some test drives from both companys.

I noticed that on the Z's for bolt on's it dosent give hudge gains unless FI, is the Z expensive to mod as well?

02-17-2011, 12:56 AM	#1 (permalink)
Fairlady-Z Base Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: NYC Posts: 18 Drives: Big Wheel Rep Power: 15	new to Z's help please Hey everyone, I finally have money to buy or consider buying a Z. Sadly has to be used though, so im looking into a 2009 370z 6peed Touring with NAVI. About close to 8,000 miles. I havent had any Z's or nissans b4 so i dont know the pricing for the car. They asked for 30k I live in nyc so we get snow here in the winters if this changes anything, Im wondering how much i could haggle down the price for, what would your recommendations on a good price i should settle for. I do plan on bringing cash with me to the dealer ship to help the price, but i dont know whats a rip off and whats a steal. Your input would be appreciated thanks Last edited by Fairlady-Z; 02-17-2011 at 12:58 AM.

02-17-2011, 08:47 AM	#9 (permalink)
ProfessorDave A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Scranton, PA Posts: 1,580 Drives: In the fairway Rep Power: 19	I did some online searching for used Z's recently (just to see what cars like mine are going for), and found the typical range for a 2009 touring to be 26-32k within a 200 mile radius from NE PA (which would include the OP's area). I don't think any I looked at had the navi, but 30k seems like a good starting place for a negotiation down to 27 or 28k. You don't need to garage the Z all winter (I've been able to drive mine once a week), but definitely recommend a second set of tires (I'm running Hankook Ventus all season performance right now, but even they can't handle a little snow or ice). A daily driver for bad weather is ideal. __________________ Rain, snow, sleet, hail: 2009 Mazda 3 sGT HB Everything else: 2009 370z, PW Touring 6MT

02-17-2011, 10:09 AM	#10 (permalink)
Red__Zed A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: window seat Posts: 28,940 Drives: Mostly on two wheels Rep Power: 120	I don't know why everyone is knocking the price, that sound about right for Touring + Nav in your area. It's a good deal, and not a great one per se, but I don't think there is anything wrong with it if it is what you want. Carmax offered me 29.7 for mine with 4k miles, so I don't think you'd be doing too bad on that buy, again presuming the T+S is what you want. You could get a used base or base + sport for that price though. Also, depending on what your winter driving plans are, you may want to look at something better suited for year round driving. Last edited by Red__Zed; 02-17-2011 at 10:12 AM.

02-17-2011, 01:03 AM	#2 (permalink)
dmhenderson A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Maryland Posts: 5,930 Drives: AWD TT 370z Rep Power: 26	1) It's not a good city driving car. Stop and go traffic in NYC in a 6 speed manual will test your patience. 2) You will need to put it in a garage all winter in NYC. Even with snow tires, it's a light RWD sports car. 3) 30k seems awfully high for that package. Even in pristine condition, I'd say 25 or maybe even 20 would be a fair price depending on what else the seller has done to it. 4) As always, before you even dream of making an offer, have your mechanic take a hard look at it. 5) The car is pure sex and it's by far the most fun I've ever had in a vehicle.

02-17-2011, 01:08 AM	#3 (permalink)
dmhenderson A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Maryland Posts: 5,930 Drives: AWD TT 370z Rep Power: 26	Actually, I take that back. For NYC and adjacent zip codes, 30k seems to be about right although I see a few for 28kish.

02-17-2011, 01:14 AM	#4 (permalink)
cossie1600 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: californee way Posts: 5,380 Drives: 370, Leaf Rep Power: 30	kinda pricey, i will sell you my base + sport for that price :0

02-17-2011, 01:34 AM	#5 (permalink)
dmhenderson A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Maryland Posts: 5,930 Drives: AWD TT 370z Rep Power: 26	Yeah that looks like a dealer resell price. Kelly blue book should give you a pretty good idea. It even lets you price out options etc.

02-17-2011, 01:50 AM	#6 (permalink)
MVPTonyD Base Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 78 Drives: a scooter. Rep Power: 14	Get a STi or a Evo.

02-17-2011, 02:02 AM	#7 (permalink)
jaedub Track Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 906 Drives: 2010 Black 370Z MT Rep Power: 305	30k is a little high imo. I'd say 26k is reasonable price. And Z is just pure awesome. No doubt one of the best sports car ever made. You'll be fine on the road as long as you have snow tires on. And yes, as the previous comment stated, have a professional check on the car. Lots of fraud out there these days

02-17-2011, 08:40 AM	#8 (permalink)
cerruto Base Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Torrington CT Posts: 102 Drives: 10 Nismo 370z RED Rep Power: 15	Since you aqre in the NYC area, talk to joe at Koeppel if you can. Guy seems to be able to work wonders with Z's.

02-17-2011, 10:43 AM	#14 (permalink)
Red__Zed A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: window seat Posts: 28,940 Drives: Mostly on two wheels Rep Power: 120	Both companies are kind of hit-or-miss if you mod the car. In general, you can get away with minor stuff on both and still get stuff covered. On the Subaru, you'll see more of a gain outta small mods. Throwing an AP and a catback actually adds significant power, vs similar mods on a Z.