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some of those mustang and camaro sales are from rental car companys, they don't rent z's.

and those are 2 door sedans. :icon17:

Look up Porsche Cayman. They sell fewer than 1000 nationally. I see plenty more of them than 370Z's.

Is that worldwide or just US?

Those 2011 numbers are incredible.

The 370Z was approved on the assumption of 30k units sold in the first year. We haven't even seen that almost three years in.

I know there is always a lot of talk about the "next generation" Z, but with sales numbers like that you have to wonder if Nissan can make the numbers work, and if the Z brand is worth it to them to keep going in its current state. I tend to think if they do keep the Z they will try to reinvent it as an eco-friendly sports car... an electric or hybrid sports car that everyone can afford.

In any case the 370 will definitely go down as one of those rare cars. 350s are all over the place because they managed to sell a bunch of them each year from '03-'08 (or '09 for the roadster), but the 370 will never really saturate the road like the 350 did.

which is always a plus! :tup:

Yeah it has its plusses and minuses for sure. Assume the Z is canceled after 2013... it will maintain a pretty good resale value. :tup:

Which is kind of annoying to me because I want to buy a used Roadster. :rofl2:

Buy it now before it's too late! :p

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hey, the dealer's open for a couple more hours... (where have i heard this before)? :icon17:

Huh? Cancelled?

See my reply in the other thread. ;)

I've run low on the letter l. I have to use it sparingly or else I'll run out. Darn, I think I've ost it. What a bummer, I don't ike this. Not even a itte bit. :icon14:

:facepalm:

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Assuming the Z is cancelled, it's going to keep even higher resale values... that's all I was saying.

Here you go. I just came back from Costco and bought way too much. Don't go using it all at once. It's all in caps though :tiphat: :

LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

The magic word!!!

Thanks Mike, I reaallllllllllllly appreciate it!

My post from before:

The 370Z simply has different goals set by Nissan. It is a quasi-halo car for the brand now. But it is so inexpensive to manufacture simply due to the amount of parts it shares with the Infinitis and various other Nissans (from the transmission, engine, mounts, suspension components, battery, steering, pumps, interior pieces, headlight bulb and ballast, radio, navigation, user interface, brakes, this list can go on for a while).

Also its lack of practicality hurts it against the Mustang and Camaro, which has always been the case historically - starting from the late 70s. But a lot of it comes down to the fact that Nissan simply makes fewer of them intentionally, as well. The market was saturated with 350Zs, and that really, really destroyed the car's resale value and began to slightly hurt its image.

Wow... like I said in the other thread. Say goodbye to the Z. If there is another genration of them? It will be a serious poser car or a electric sports car. The Z will be going down as the last japanese legend.

The hyundai genesis coupe will be the formidable sports car and scion will be its main competitor. As other posers embellish in wanting a rare sports car to have bragging rights don't even understand the impact this will have on JDM motorsports and the overall quality expectations of the cars coming over the next 10 to 15 years. Mustang and camaro will most likely be the only affordable options while korea and Scion go from so called sub standard rice machines to asian import gods.

The only competitive Z's will be the strong few of us that is determined to go FI and keep the track heritage alive on the Z. Its downhill from here. The fwd regal gs will be considered a real sports car. The sonata and veloster will be considered high performance vehicles.
The corvette will get realer and so will the price. As well as mustang and camaro. When the Z finally comes out again it will be @ current GT-R prices and the GT-R will start @ 150k.

RIP affordable fun to drive powerful sports cars. Its 96 all over again. But this time we have hybrids to make sure there's no resurgence of the affordable sports car.

To those that wanted exclusivity. Your dreams are about to come true. Enjoy the repurcussions.

What the f*ck are you talking about?

O_o

:wtf:

:bowrofl:

ibtl

My brain just asploded. O_o

Some people are so afraid cars will be slower with a "hybrid" moniker its not even funny. Progress is a good thing and so is change. We will still have sports cars 20 years from now, it will just be different. Heck, if you look back 50 years ago, do you honestly think they would have believed 6 or 4 cylinder engines make the power they do in modern engines today. Compare a first gen 240 to the 370 and the differences are astonishing to say the least. It's kind of like saying a Porche GT3 R Hybrid is no longer a sports car or a modern F1 car no longer a race car because it uses some other source of energy.

long term, electricity in cars is a good thing (especially because the move to more widely used supercaps is going to make me filthy rich). Short term, it sucks. Companies are half-assing designs and they sell because they are "eco friendly"

All those numbers came from posts made by dad***, I just consolidated so dad will have to confirm, but I THINK those are world wide production numbers. I could be totally wrong, but I think at the very least it's U.S. numbers.

***Note: I started this tally about 6 months ago so dad may not be the only source, I forget. But I got all the information from this forum from other threads. It was just a matter of putting it all in an Excel spreadsheet.

One thing I think these numbers should do is quiet down any terds here bitching about why hasn't Nissan made major cosmetic or performance changes YET, only after 3 years. I mean what are people thinking really. 10,000 cars a year for a company as large as Nissan is not something you change everytime the wind blows.

Now oil coolers and brakes are another topic, a topic there are already 17,000 threads about. So don't go there here please.

Have you ever driven a engineering college built electric car on a drag strip? I did.....FUCKEN FAST!:driving:

only a gas/electric dune buggy. instant torque is amazing.

I like torque.

Exhaust discussion is going to be fun when we are all driving electric cars. "Hey guys, check out this new .mp3 exhaust file I made." :icon17:

blargh, i hate all those ricers running around with their 65mbps exhaust notes...i can practically hear the pause between samples.

:bowrofl: :bowrofl: :bowrofl: :bowrofl:

Damn I like that exhaust note on your Nissan, do you know where I can get a file converter so I can use it on my Ford?

I would say sales numbers are down cuz of the economy, tsunami, mustangs,camaros,challengers, and people getting fatter. And people still hating imports not knowing their american car is made in mexico and canada.

The economy has a lot to do with it, it's back to "needs and wants". The 370Z arrived at a bad time, right in the middle of a Global economic crisis. 2 seat sports cars are not practical for most people. When people loose jobs or have no faith in the economy they scale back and only buy what is needed not what they want. The bad press about dangerous brakes and over heating oil did not help either.

The end of '09 was horrific for the 2 seat sport car market. Winter was on the way for most States, the economy was boiling over and car companies were dumping huge incentives to unload unsold 2 seat sport cars. It's not the 370Z either, numbers are down for everyone. At the end of '09 Porsche was dumping all cars for 23%-25% off MSRP and cut NA allocations by 40% for '10-'11. Miata always had huge discounts at the end of the year, about $6K off. Mazda dealers were calling back offering about 22% off MSRP. 15% off Corvettes.

A interesting thing about the Tsunami. It and the economy created a "perfect storm" in the car market for some people. New supply was reduced after May due to the tsunami. There was almost no production. Demand for used cars went up. I know someone who bought a brand new left over '09 Z in late '10 for huge money off invoice because of the economy. They just sold the car private party for $500 less then what they paid for it brand new after driving it for 14 months! That will never happen again.

Mustangs and Camaros have rear seats so that helps with their sales and base prices are lower.

"It's the economy, stupid!"

I think that's really all it is. It was mentioned earlier that Nissan intentionally produces a low number to protect the Z's image... that's not true. If Nissan could sell 100k of these a year they would do it in a heartbeat. The fact that they planned on 30k in sales in the first year and approved the project on that assumption and now have only sold around 28k three years in shows just how bad things are. I mean we are at 9.2% unemployment if you like to go off the numbers that the government gives us. Real unemployment is actually over 15% if you count the people that have given up on looking for work.

It is VERY difficult for a 2 seat sports car like the Z to thrive in this economy, especially given how competitive the 30-40k segment is.

It is very tough out there. Even cars like the Mustang 5.0 and the Camaro SS are struggling compared to how they have sold in better economic times. If it wasn't for the V6 models those cars would be in the same situation as the Z.

^^ Totally agree. Not just unemployment though... people with the same job 10 years ago are making less and have cut back significantly on descretionary spending. Throw in inflation into the mix and suddenly a splurge on a $40k sports car isn't as appealing. I think that's one of the reasons companies like Hyundai (Genesis Coupe), Toyota/Subaru (FT-86/BRZ) are targeting the sub $30k sporty coupe market. Those that can still afford to splurge will likely venture upmarket, while those who could barely afford the 370Z will likely look towards something more affordable. I think $30K-50k sports car segment is gonna thin out even more if the economic slump continues. Overall though, I think all affordable sports cars are in trouble in the short term. Power specs appeal to the new car buyers in this segment, and with the Mustang and Camaro getting bumps in that department, the Z is gonna be less appealing. It's all about ego's and image when it come to sports cars after all.

Absolutely true. We could go on and on about this, especially how "core inflation" is a joke.

2011----------------------2010
Jan..567------------------ 673
Feb..571------------------699
Mar..974-----------------1,095
April.942------------------ 952
May..847-----------------1,217
June.644-------------------892
July..550-------------------976
Aug..517-------------------823
Sept..469-------------------787
Oct..442--------------------745
Nov..356--------------------630
Dec..449---------------------726

almost 3k less than 2010

The Z being so limited is a very very good thing for the owners. Nissan builds what's ordered, be it by the customer or dealership. The 370Z has the 2nd best resale value for a sports coupe, behind the 335i and ahead of the Audi A5/S5. Not even the G37 can make that claim.

Nissan truly got it right with the 370Z in more ways than one. Owners can look forward to keeping their cars for a long time and still getting a lot of money back for them if they decide to sell.