Spoke to Nissan rep at Philly car show

JJ-NISMO · 02-01-2011, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by JB1

Looks like Some people are expecting miracles from DI. The VQ37 already has a specific output that can compete with the best NA engines out there, including DI engines. 89.7 hp/l for the regular Z and 94.6 for the Nismo. Only Porsche (911) and Ferrari engines have a higher specific output, they also rev a lot higher then our VQ. Even the Cayman S "only" makes 94.1 hp/l with DI

Great point

I remember when the E46 M3 came out and everyone was talking about how it was one of only (insert small number here) production cars in the world producing over 100hp/L. Although the increase in horsepower would not affect performance by much in real world settings, it is still important in this big pissing contest.

I see so many guys here in So Cal with exotics pushing out 400-600 horsepower that can't drive the car at all, but they still want to say they have that much power.

From a marketing standpoint, the HP numbers, 0-60 time, etc. definitely provide talking points and do generate interest. They make for magazine coverage and get people on the lots.

GZ3 · 02-01-2011, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ihatepotholes

I wasn't talking about you then was I? Move on

dont generalize then, Move on

Cmike2780 · 02-01-2011, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by JJ-NISMO

Great point

I remember when the E46 M3 came out and everyone was talking about how it was one of only (insert small number here) production cars in the world producing over 100hp/L. Although the increase in horsepower would not affect performance by much in real world settings, it is still important in this big pissing contest.

I see so many guys here in So Cal with exotics pushing out 400-600 horsepower that can't drive the car at all, but they still want to say they have that much power.

From a marketing standpoint, the HP numbers, 0-60 time, etc. definitely provide talking points and do generate interest. They make for magazine coverage and get people on the lots.

Mazda RX8=178HP per litre.....great handling car, but goes to show how numbers on paper can be deceiving.

JJ-NISMO · 02-01-2011, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Cmike2780

Mazda RX8=178HP per litre.....great handling car, but goes to show how numbers on paper can be deceiving.

Can you compare a rotary though?! The Renesis was such a disappointment.

Cmike2780 · 02-01-2011, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by JJ-NISMO

Can you compare a rotary though?! The Renesis was such a disappointment.

That's what I'm saying...it doesn't always translate to the real world. Also, having owned an RX-8 I wasn't really disappointed. It's an impressive engine that's desperately needs FI. That much power from a rotary with that much displacement is still relevant considering a 13B N/A with roughly the same displacement were making around 115hp/liter a decade before.

JJ-NISMO · 02-01-2011, 01:22 PM

Article below about DI on the Ms and Gs

Infiniti G37 and M Models to Get Direct Injection | AutoGuide.com News

The G sedan will be able to compete better with the 335 sedan

The G coupe competes better with the 335 coupe

The 370 is better than the 135 coupe and even closer to the 135 M

OR, A HYBRID 370Z

Nissan to Launch Hybrid 370Z sports car in 2011! > 370z.com > 370z.com - Magazine

m

Lemers · 02-01-2011, 01:28 PM

The Z coupe and G coupe are siblings. If there is a change in one's platform then it won't take long for the change the move to the other.

blinkme323 · 02-01-2011, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Cmike2780

I suppose you'll have to trade that in when the Z35 comes out.

Yes, I probably will honestly, lol.

Tjai370Z · 02-01-2011, 02:47 PM

The new Mustang Gt 5.0 is way out of our league, it can actually be hanging with the e92 m3 at the track, the gt 5.0 aint just a straight line machine anymore especially if you get that brembo package.

but then i cant say the same for the camaro.

but either way driving a 370z and the gt 5.0 would be real different.
but if you want better times, the gt 5.0 would win hands on.

i agree, the 370z does need the DI. but there are way too many rumors, even about the Z getting the hybrid and diesel engines from Benz, has that been even confirmed yet?

We just gotta sit and wait right?

Tjai370Z · 02-01-2011, 02:48 PM

hands down*

ihatepotholes · 02-01-2011, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by GZ3

dont generalize then, Move on

Reading comprehension > you

GZ3 · 02-01-2011, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ihatepotholes

Reading comprehension > you

interpretations skills > you

Endgame · 02-01-2011, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Tjai370Z

The new Mustang Gt 5.0 is way out of our league, it can actually be hanging with the e92 m3 at the track, the gt 5.0 aint just a straight line machine anymore especially if you get that brembo package.

but then i cant say the same for the camaro.

but either way driving a 370z and the gt 5.0 would be real different.
but if you want better times, the gt 5.0 would win hands on.

i agree, the 370z does need the DI. but there are way too many rumors, even about the Z getting the hybrid and diesel engines from Benz, has that been even confirmed yet?

We just gotta sit and wait right?

Hang on a sec. I would not classify the E92 M3 as a track car; it does have power and gets good times (like the 5.0), but it is not a track car, nor the 5.0; they happen to be cars that can go fast around a track (just like the CTVS or M5). Both of those cars are GTs; they have a degree of power, but are too heavy, long, or not enough power to be 'track cars'. Z06s, GTRs, GT3s; those are track cars. I would still take a 1M coupe, 370z, Cayman S, TTRS to the track over a 5.0 or M3, better yet a Z06, GTR, or GT3!!!! The M3 and 5.0 are fast GT cars on the track, but not track cars.

Endgame · 02-01-2011, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Cmike2780

That's what I'm saying...it doesn't always translate to the real world. Also, having owned an RX-8 I wasn't really disappointed. It's an impressive engine that's desperately needs FI. That much power from a rotary with that much displacement is still relevant considering a 13B N/A with roughly the same displacement were making around 115hp/liter a decade before.

I also had an RX8 and completely agree.

Tjai370Z · 02-01-2011, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Endgame

Hang on a sec. I would not classify the E92 M3 as a track car; it does have power and gets good times (like the 5.0), but it is not a track car, nor the 5.0; they happen to be cars that can go fast around a track (just like the CTVS or M5). Both of those cars are GTs; they have a degree of power, but are too heavy, long, or not enough power to be 'track cars'. Z06s, GTRs, GT3s; those are track cars. I would still take a 1M coupe, 370z, Cayman S, TTRS to the track over a 5.0 or M3, better yet a Z06, GTR, or GT3!!!! The M3 and 5.0 are fast GT cars on the track, but not track cars.

wow you make a really good point.

but all i was saying is that nevertheless the gt will have better times, and times is what always matter to most people.

but yeah they are GT's

anyway, the 370z's VQ engines are getting old.

02-01-2011, 01:22 PM	#96 (permalink)
JJ-NISMO Enthusiast Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: SoCal Posts: 276 Drives: 09 NISMO 370Z PG Rep Power: 242	Article below about DI on the Ms and Gs Infiniti G37 and M Models to Get Direct Injection \| AutoGuide.com News The G sedan will be able to compete better with the 335 sedan The G coupe competes better with the 335 coupe The 370 is better than the 135 coupe and even closer to the 135 M OR, A HYBRID 370Z Nissan to Launch Hybrid 370Z sports car in 2011! > 370z.com > 370z.com - Magazine m Last edited by JJ-NISMO; 02-01-2011 at 01:39 PM.

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02-01-2011, 02:47 PM	#99 (permalink)
Tjai370Z Base Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: CT Posts: 86 Drives: future dream 370z Rep Power: 15	The new Mustang Gt 5.0 is way out of our league, it can actually be hanging with the e92 m3 at the track, the gt 5.0 aint just a straight line machine anymore especially if you get that brembo package. but then i cant say the same for the camaro. but either way driving a 370z and the gt 5.0 would be real different. but if you want better times, the gt 5.0 would win hands on. i agree, the 370z does need the DI. but there are way too many rumors, even about the Z getting the hybrid and diesel engines from Benz, has that been even confirmed yet? We just gotta sit and wait right?

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