Everyone with oil temp issues

semtex · 04-27-2009, 01:07 PM

^Very well said, RCZ!

antennahead · 04-27-2009, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by RCZ

All I ask from Nissan is for them not to void the warranty of the people who installed coolers and made the car SAFER. I hope they are reading this forum and I hope they understand how idiotic it is to make a sports car that overheats when you use it.

What they SHOULD do if anything at all, is make a kit available from the dealership at an additional cost...that would add some much needed revenue from enthusiasts and would keep us enthusiasts happy. It could be a GREAT exercise in PR if they make this upgrade discounted/free for 2009 Model owners. That would show they are doing something for their customers in these tough economic times....while at the same time lowering their future service costs when motors start to pop, and not to mention FIX this stupid stupid technical shortcoming. They claim decades of motorsports pedigree, yet they can't design a car without problems even after MANY generations of Z's. I mean come on guys, how many more Z's before you stop messing up stupid details? Its pathetic.

I guess most are hoping that they would do like BMW did with the 335, and make a kit available under warranty to fix the issue. As most have speculated, we doubt Nissan will go this route. I agree with RCZ, a kit made available by Nissan that we can purchase at cost, that doesn't void the warranty would be an alternative. It would also be in their best interest as stated, as it would reduce the potential of warranty claims down the road. Let's hope something is forthcoming before the summer heat gets here.

"They claim decades of motorsports pedigree, yet they can't design a car without problems even after MANY generations of Z's"
This is either a lack of proper testing, which I find hard to believe, or a case of the bean counters forcing "no oil cooler" to cut costs. I can see the engineers arguing with the accountants over this, and the execs taking the "profit margin" approach............. "let the ones that drive spirited foot the bill for an external cooler"

John

dad · 04-27-2009, 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RCZ

All I ask from Nissan is for them not to void the warranty of the people who installed coolers and made the car SAFER. I hope they are reading this forum and I hope they understand how idiotic it is to make a sports car that overheats when you use it.

What they SHOULD do if anything at all, is make a kit available from the dealership at an additional cost...that would add some much needed revenue from enthusiasts and would keep us enthusiasts happy. It could be a GREAT exercise in PR if they make this upgrade discounted/free for 2009 Model owners. That would show they are doing something for their customers in these tough economic times....while at the same time lowering their future service costs when motors start to pop, and not to mention FIX this stupid stupid technical shortcoming. They claim decades of motorsports pedigree, yet they can't design a car without problems even after MANY generations of Z's. I mean come on guys, how many more Z's before you stop messing up stupid details? Its pathetic.

(1) File a class action lawsuit, lemon law may apply!

(2) Do an on line, member(s) signed complaint(may have to be notarized)mail it to Nissan in Tennessee.

TipsZ · 04-28-2009, 01:15 AM

Since I live in Tampa, FL and have only had my 6spd MT 370z for 6 days now, I can say that on this past Saturday, April 25th, my oil temp got up to 245 degrees. The ambient temp for that day was 83 degrees and humidity around 45 percent (though it felt a lot hotter than that when outside in the sun). When I was going across the Skyway Bridge (read steep angle for about 3 miles up and 3 miles back down), I was revving at about 4.5k is when I noticed my my oil temp shot up from 220 to about 245. Now that I am aware of this issue, I will continue to monitor and give updated reports. As usual, thank you everyone for posting useful information!

tbonesteak · 04-28-2009, 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by RCZ

Here's my view on it. Just like in medicine, the most important step in healthcare (and the cheapest solution) is preventive care. You take care of the problems before they become problems and the final bill you have to pay is a fraction of the one you have to pay when you ignore these problems. Would be nice if this applied right? Oh well...

Nissan, as the multinational multi-billion dollar company that they are, should be well aware of this fact by now. They have smart people working in their company and trust me when I tell you guys that they already had their analysts go through the data of what it will cost them.

In my personal view, Nissan isn't going to do anything for us and we are SOL.

Think about it...the Z is only a small fraction of their business and of that small fraction...only a smaller fraction actually run into this problem because we track the car. Now which one is cheaper....to a) recall the cars/offer oil coolers at the dealer. or b) deal with the few folks who are going to get pissed and maybe blow up their cars from heat. The answer is pretty damn simple. Some people on the internet aren't very bright so I'll spell it out for you; It is cheaper for Nissan to ignore the problem than to take care of us with oil coolers.

Chances are NOBODYS car is going to blow up from heat on the street. If it happens, it will happen on the track, where it won't be covered by Nissan warranty anyway.

So folks... the only reason Nissan would ever do anything is because they have an ounce of moral fiber or because they care in the slightest bit for their customers. The one decent thing they could do is not be stupid against people with oil coolers, because if they do, then the natives will be restless and this will become very very public information for future Nissan 370Z buyers.

Sadly, the odds don't look good for us.

HA! That has got to be the MOST ridiculous........yet the MOST real, true, unbiased, accurate thing ive read in a long time. Reading this reminded me of that one article about women being depreciating assets while men are the opposite.

Diversion · 04-28-2009, 02:17 AM

My Z's hitting a ceiling of 220 degrees under spirited driving with 68F outside.. I'm frightened to know what Summer's 100+ degree weather is going to do... /sigh.. better go on and order an oil cooler now.

RCZ, what's the highest temp you've seen your oil get to with the cooler on?

-Div

FlashBazbo · 04-28-2009, 06:39 AM

I have been pretty excited about my planned purchase of a 370Z, but I have to say that this issue is making me rethink my decision. It's not a "no" decision yet, but I'm getting close.

Think of the problematic design track record of the 350/370 series -- and think of Nissan's responses to those problems. I'm sure I'm missing one or two, but there have been: Tire eating front suspension. High oil consumption. Oil temperature issues.

And Nissan has been famous for its unresponsiveness to the customers' product problems. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

C'mon Nissan! You've got a GREAT product with GREAT design. Give it the pre-release testing and the post-release support that it deserves!

RCZ · 04-28-2009, 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Diversion

My Z's hitting a ceiling of 220 degrees under spirited driving with 68F outside.. I'm frightened to know what Summer's 100+ degree weather is going to do... /sigh.. better go on and order an oil cooler now.

RCZ, what's the highest temp you've seen your oil get to with the cooler on?

-Div

I've seen it hit nearly 220 in hot humid weather driving it hard in stop and go conditions where it doesn't have enough airflow to cool down. What I am trying to say is that the cooler is definitely doing its job and doing it well. I will be on the track on may 9th. I'll post my experiences the night of.

Highway it sits at 180 regardless of outside temp.

City traffic in hot weather it sits around 190-200

ChrisSlicks · 04-28-2009, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by RCZ

I've seen it hit nearly 220 in hot humid weather driving it hard in stop and go conditions where it doesn't have enough airflow to cool down. What I am trying to say is that the cooler is definitely doing its job and doing it well. I will be on the track on may 9th. I'll post my experiences the night of.

Highway it sits at 180 regardless of outside temp.

City traffic in hot weather it sits around 190-200

That's nice. Today it was reaching 230 on the highway and back roads with pretty mundane driving, temp was 75-80. Looking forward to your track report.

travisjb · 04-28-2009, 04:24 PM

Guys, IMO the very best way to compel Nissan to act is to make this a public issue, with as much data as possible... If you have a friend in the press, please take an opportunity to remind them of what's going down. The media is a multiplying force... For every 1 guy on this board, there are 50+ that only get their info from C&D etc

Re remedies, I agree that a responsible action for Nissan that costs them very little, is to make a clear exception for aftermarket oil coolers and explicitly agree that these do not violate warranty. They could even endorse specific kits - Stillen, Technosquare, etc.

tolnep · 04-28-2009, 05:02 PM

been lurking for a while. i was very interested in this car as an alternative to a vette. what with the economy and GMs problems i was looking for something cheaper. the hp difference was a slight issue.

now.. i live in the south, dixie you might say.. and it gets hot and humid here in the summer. sometimes i venture into the mountains for a day of road-tripping..

at this point i cant but hold off on any decision until folks start posting their summer driving experiences..

as to nissan doing something.. my guess is this is a big issue. until a cars are damaged. or a lot of cars visit the dealer due to going into limp mode over and over.

as to an aftermarket oil cooler.. this also makes me a bit nervous. if something does go wrong to your car and you have done an aftermarket mod to the oiling system, could you then have your claims rejected?

anyway.. if nothing else, this will make me put off deciding for several months.. where i might have purchased this spring...

TipsZ · 04-28-2009, 05:19 PM

Temp today in Tamp FL was between 90-91. Revved no higher than 4k, mostly cruising at 3.5k. Normal driving conditions, occasional traffic and the oil was at 220.

wstar · 04-28-2009, 05:39 PM

Honestly, I think my car has been getting better as it gets up in miles. I have no empirical data to prove this, but as I clock more miles on the car, it's getting harder for me to get the temps up as high as I did before. With the exception of the rainstorm the past couple of days, the temps around here have been getting hotter as well. I've also made some slight mods that could possible reduce engine heat a little, but nowhere near enough to make really noticeable difference.

It could be that some (but definitely not all) of the engine temp issue is related to waiting for the engine to break in fully. I'm around 3630 miles now, and I'm seeing lower peak oil temps lately than I did around 1K-ish.

RCZ · 04-28-2009, 06:35 PM

Lets see....when my 370z gets old, im going to drive the crap out of it till it goes into limp mode, then im gonna take it to the dealer to get fixed. When they tell me its fixed, i will repeat the process. After the third time of them not being able to fix my overheating car, they have to give me a new one under lemon law. My car isnt supposed to overheat and go into limp mode. Therefore it is broken. Therefore they have to fix it. If they can't fix it I score a new one.

Im coming Nissan.

Edit: Hell, lets all do it. They might consider sending us some oil coolers then.

tbonesteak · 04-28-2009, 07:02 PM

doesnt the lemon law apply only in the first 18 months or something after purchase?

04-27-2009, 01:07 PM	#301 (permalink)
semtex A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Behind enemy lines Age: 54 Posts: 5,995 Drives: People to drink Rep Power: 32	^Very well said, RCZ! __________________ "There are no small accidents on this circuit." -- Ayrton Senna 316.8whp & 248 ft/lbs (Dyno Dynamics) \| 319whp & 256 ft/lbs (DynoJet) (04/23/10) Stillen G3 CAI, CBE, Pulley / F.I. LTH / GTSpec Ladder Brace / Setrab Oil Cooler / UpRev-tuned by Forged Perf.

04-28-2009, 01:15 AM	#304 (permalink)
TipsZ Track Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Lithia, FL Age: 51 Posts: 552 Drives: 09 Nissan 370z CS M6 Rep Power: 186	Since I live in Tampa, FL and have only had my 6spd MT 370z for 6 days now, I can say that on this past Saturday, April 25th, my oil temp got up to 245 degrees. The ambient temp for that day was 83 degrees and humidity around 45 percent (though it felt a lot hotter than that when outside in the sun). When I was going across the Skyway Bridge (read steep angle for about 3 miles up and 3 miles back down), I was revving at about 4.5k is when I noticed my my oil temp shot up from 220 to about 245. Now that I am aware of this issue, I will continue to monitor and give updated reports. As usual, thank you everyone for posting useful information! Last edited by TipsZ; 04-28-2009 at 01:17 AM.

04-28-2009, 05:39 PM	#313 (permalink)
wstar A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 4,024 Drives: too slow Rep Power: 3594	Honestly, I think my car has been getting better as it gets up in miles. I have no empirical data to prove this, but as I clock more miles on the car, it's getting harder for me to get the temps up as high as I did before. With the exception of the rainstorm the past couple of days, the temps around here have been getting hotter as well. I've also made some slight mods that could possible reduce engine heat a little, but nowhere near enough to make really noticeable difference. It could be that some (but definitely not all) of the engine temp issue is related to waiting for the engine to break in fully. I'm around 3630 miles now, and I'm seeing lower peak oil temps lately than I did around 1K-ish. __________________ 7AT Track Car! Journal thread / Car setup details

04-28-2009, 06:35 PM	#314 (permalink)
RCZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Miami Posts: 6,403 Drives: '09 370Z Rep Power: 1119	Lets see....when my 370z gets old, im going to drive the crap out of it till it goes into limp mode, then im gonna take it to the dealer to get fixed. When they tell me its fixed, i will repeat the process. After the third time of them not being able to fix my overheating car, they have to give me a new one under lemon law. My car isnt supposed to overheat and go into limp mode. Therefore it is broken. Therefore they have to fix it. If they can't fix it I score a new one. Im coming Nissan. Edit: Hell, lets all do it. They might consider sending us some oil coolers then. Last edited by RCZ; 04-28-2009 at 06:40 PM.

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04-28-2009, 02:17 AM	#306 (permalink)
Diversion Enthusiast Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Jacksonville, Florida Posts: 393 Drives: 09 370Z Silver/Persi Rep Power: 284	My Z's hitting a ceiling of 220 degrees under spirited driving with 68F outside.. I'm frightened to know what Summer's 100+ degree weather is going to do... /sigh.. better go on and order an oil cooler now. RCZ, what's the highest temp you've seen your oil get to with the cooler on? -Div

04-28-2009, 06:39 AM	#307 (permalink)
FlashBazbo Base Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Middle Tennessee Posts: 97 Drives: '09 370Z T-SP-7AT Rep Power: 0	I have been pretty excited about my planned purchase of a 370Z, but I have to say that this issue is making me rethink my decision. It's not a "no" decision yet, but I'm getting close. Think of the problematic design track record of the 350/370 series -- and think of Nissan's responses to those problems. I'm sure I'm missing one or two, but there have been: Tire eating front suspension. High oil consumption. Oil temperature issues. And Nissan has been famous for its unresponsiveness to the customers' product problems. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. C'mon Nissan! You've got a GREAT product with GREAT design. Give it the pre-release testing and the post-release support that it deserves!

04-28-2009, 04:24 PM	#310 (permalink)
travisjb A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: GSO Posts: 2,803 Drives: VIR Rep Power: 188	Guys, IMO the very best way to compel Nissan to act is to make this a public issue, with as much data as possible... If you have a friend in the press, please take an opportunity to remind them of what's going down. The media is a multiplying force... For every 1 guy on this board, there are 50+ that only get their info from C&D etc Re remedies, I agree that a responsible action for Nissan that costs them very little, is to make a clear exception for aftermarket oil coolers and explicitly agree that these do not violate warranty. They could even endorse specific kits - Stillen, Technosquare, etc.

04-28-2009, 05:02 PM	#311 (permalink)
tolnep Base Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: teluria Posts: 30 Drives: 20 mule team waggon Rep Power: 16	been lurking for a while. i was very interested in this car as an alternative to a vette. what with the economy and GMs problems i was looking for something cheaper. the hp difference was a slight issue. now.. i live in the south, dixie you might say.. and it gets hot and humid here in the summer. sometimes i venture into the mountains for a day of road-tripping.. at this point i cant but hold off on any decision until folks start posting their summer driving experiences.. as to nissan doing something.. my guess is this is a big issue. until a cars are damaged. or a lot of cars visit the dealer due to going into limp mode over and over. as to an aftermarket oil cooler.. this also makes me a bit nervous. if something does go wrong to your car and you have done an aftermarket mod to the oiling system, could you then have your claims rejected? anyway.. if nothing else, this will make me put off deciding for several months.. where i might have purchased this spring...

04-28-2009, 05:19 PM	#312 (permalink)
TipsZ Track Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Lithia, FL Age: 51 Posts: 552 Drives: 09 Nissan 370z CS M6 Rep Power: 186	Temp today in Tamp FL was between 90-91. Revved no higher than 4k, mostly cruising at 3.5k. Normal driving conditions, occasional traffic and the oil was at 220.

04-28-2009, 07:02 PM	#315 (permalink)
tbonesteak Track Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Socal Posts: 914 Drives: MY09 MB 6MT Rep Power: 375	doesnt the lemon law apply only in the first 18 months or something after purchase?