How does the vdc work

Snakes709 · 01-21-2011, 02:01 PM

Xan nice find. ill give you thst. That being said, seems as though between all those years there was never more then 50% reduction in accidents. In 2006 there were 56% fatal crashes and that was it. Also that was a overal survey done on all vehicals. The dabate here is of all the 370z accidents, how many were caused by the driver turning of VDC. You show me a chart of that and if it shows more accidents were caused due to having vdc off, ill shut up.

Becasue all i seen from the forums is either people running red lights and hitting a Z, people thinking someone is going to hit them so the swurve out of the way and hit something.

Xan · 01-21-2011, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Snakes709

Xan nice find. ill give you thst. That being said, seems as though between all those years there was never more then 50% reduction in accidents. In 2006 there were 56% fatal crashes and that was it. Also that was a overal survey done on all vehicals. The dabate here is of all the 370z accidents, how many were caused by the driver turning of VDC. You show me a chart of that and if it shows more accidents were caused due to having vdc off, ill shut up.

Becasue all i seen from the forums is either people running red lights and hitting a Z, people thinking someone is going to hit them so the swurve out of the way and hit something.

You're too much, I don't even know why I'm still responding, if you want to argue that VDC systems don't prevent accidents and don't save lives just because we are talking about 370Z's, even though there is a huge amount of studies that clearly show these systems do reduce accidents and casualties in both trucks and cars…
Have fun, but I won't be wasting my time on you...

Maybe you should start try your debate with the NHTSA, as they do agree it reduces accidents, so much so that they have a regulation for it, requiring all vehicles under 10k pounds, to have this system as a standard.
And no, they didn't make an exception for your 370Z....

Electronic Stability Control (ESC) | National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA)

But by all means, fight the power! I'm done arguing ignorance....

Snakes709 · 01-21-2011, 03:06 PM

I never said that it doesnt save you from accidents. I said turning it off wont cause accidents and if you rely on it, like this guy....

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Originally Posted by RiCharlie

Why would you ever want to turn it off except getting loose in snow or sand? So it helps control the vehicle if you make a mistake.. so what's wrong with that? Why do I have to learn something the computer will do for me?

instead of knowing what to actually do, then you shouldnt be driving a car. Sure by all means have it on, im not arguing that its a good tool. But when you get lazy and say "why do i need to learn something the computer will do for me" instead of knowing what is actually going on and how to get out of it...you shouldnt be driving.

RiCharlie · 01-21-2011, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Mt Tam I am

With that last statement, I think we have found a difference between the manual and auto driver. Why learn to shift either? The car does it by itself. Future cars may self steer too. I want control as the driver. I do not think computers should rule every aspect of my life. All too often the VDC thinks I want to stall out just as I jump into traffic, a climbing turn, etc. I didn't make a mistake. The VDC judged for me, I do not want to do that which I want to do.

Why do I have to learn something the computer will do for me? Only to become a better driver.

Well said and I now i understand your point of view..Its not my way of wanting to drive but at least I understand why you do what you do..All I want to do is steer and push the accelerator and the brake and let the computer do the rest .

RiCharlie · 01-21-2011, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

I was about to poke the same thing at him, but noticed that he drive auto, lol.

. LOL You have it... I just want my job to be just watching the road, watching other cars, avoiding police, avoiding pedestrians, finding my way, steering, pushing the gas pedal or hitting the brakes. I want to do things no computer can do.....

RiCharlie · 01-21-2011, 04:40 PM

I am thinking that in 100 years cars will be totally automated in every respect and so the only debate will be whether or not one should tell the car where to go. ( traditionalists) or let the car choose the destination based on computer generated models of the driver's preferences!!!

SPOHN · 01-21-2011, 06:16 PM

^ Good thing I won't be around!

RiCharlie · 01-21-2011, 06:41 PM

Excellent post and thanks for the research

SPOHN · 01-21-2011, 06:52 PM

^Please don't quote this a hundred times!

RiCharlie · 01-21-2011, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Snakes709

Xan nice find. ill give you thst. That being said, seems as though between all those years there was never more then 50% reduction in accidents. In 2006 there were 56% fatal crashes and that was it. Also that was a overal survey done on all vehicals. The dabate here is of all the 370z accidents, how many were caused by the driver turning of VDC. You show me a chart of that and if it shows more accidents were caused due to having vdc off, ill shut up.

Becasue all i seen from the forums is either people running red lights and hitting a Z, people thinking someone is going to hit them so the swurve out of the way and hit something.

Never more than a 50% reduction in accidents???!! and therefore you conclude what?? That 50% is insignificant? And then you say that no Nissan specific studies were made and you assume that unless proven otherwise the Nissan 370 is not bound by the usual laws of physics??

BrianMSmith · 01-21-2011, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by EazyD

How do I get experience then?

Try an autocross practice meet. Or run one yourself. Large industrial site parking lots on the weekends can be used as a skidpad.

Snakes709 · 01-21-2011, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by RiCharlie

Never more than a 50% reduction in accidents???!! and therefore you conclude what?? That 50% is insignificant? And then you say that no Nissan specific studies were made and you assume that unless proven otherwise the Nissan 370 is not bound by the usual laws of physics??

i was only able to give that quick look, from what i seen there was nothing over 50%, looking at it now, the highest number bsides that 56% in 2006, is 24%.

Anyways im done with this thread, like i said, if you want VDC on, thats fine. But if you rely on it to do your work and not learn what to actually do, then you shouldnt be driving a car.

Demon Z · 01-22-2011, 01:22 PM

This discussion would probably be a lot shorter if the test to obtain a driver's license in the US involved more than driving around the block and parallel parking.

Vegitto-kun · 01-22-2011, 02:23 PM

VDC OFF = dead

I have only turned off VDC about three times, once when stuck on ice, once when I wanted to see how quickly the rear breaks out and once when doing a 0-60 run.

I have no reason to turn off VDC. I don't drive hard enough to engage it but its nice knowing its there.

you can say all you want about "blabla learn to drive" but situations where your rear breaks out and you have to counter steer and **** doesnt sound like normal driving.

in the almost a year of owning a Z I never had the rear break out on accident and im still driving around in near freezing temperatures on stock tires.

The only time I regretted VDC was when once in a while it would come on after coming out of a corner at francorchamps and flooring it in third.

JB-370z · 01-22-2011, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by RiCharlie

Never more than a 50% reduction in accidents???!! and therefore you conclude what?? That 50% is insignificant? And then you say that no Nissan specific studies were made and you assume that unless proven otherwise the Nissan 370 is not bound by the usual laws of physics??

It's not worth arguing with this clown.

01-21-2011, 02:01 PM	#61 (permalink)
Snakes709 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Edmonton Posts: 1,205 Drives: 2011 Evo-X GSR Rep Power: 18	Xan nice find. ill give you thst. That being said, seems as though between all those years there was never more then 50% reduction in accidents. In 2006 there were 56% fatal crashes and that was it. Also that was a overal survey done on all vehicals. The dabate here is of all the 370z accidents, how many were caused by the driver turning of VDC. You show me a chart of that and if it shows more accidents were caused due to having vdc off, ill shut up. Becasue all i seen from the forums is either people running red lights and hitting a Z, people thinking someone is going to hit them so the swurve out of the way and hit something. __________________ 2011 Evo-GSR AMS 2.4 stroker/ bore, FP Black build in progress. Sponsor: DSG Performance Last edited by Snakes709; 01-21-2011 at 02:03 PM.

01-21-2011, 06:16 PM	#67 (permalink)
SPOHN A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Covington, GA Age: 45 Posts: 14,844 Drives: Waiting on next Z Rep Power: 221	^ Good thing I won't be around! __________________

01-21-2011, 06:41 PM	#68 (permalink)
RiCharlie Track Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Johnston RI Posts: 857 Drives: 370 Touring Spt A/t Rep Power: 15	Thanks Excellent post and thanks for the research Last edited by RiCharlie; 01-22-2011 at 01:14 PM.

01-21-2011, 06:52 PM	#69 (permalink)
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Vegitto-kun A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: USA Posts: 2,011 Drives: 09 370Z Rep Power: 262	VDC OFF = dead I have only turned off VDC about three times, once when stuck on ice, once when I wanted to see how quickly the rear breaks out and once when doing a 0-60 run. I have no reason to turn off VDC. I don't drive hard enough to engage it but its nice knowing its there. you can say all you want about "blabla learn to drive" but situations where your rear breaks out and you have to counter steer and **** doesnt sound like normal driving. in the almost a year of owning a Z I never had the rear break out on accident and im still driving around in near freezing temperatures on stock tires. The only time I regretted VDC was when once in a while it would come on after coming out of a corner at francorchamps and flooring it in third.