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Originally Posted by frost For what it's worth, I think the VDC makes people worse drivers. They begin to rely on the VDC to save them rather than learning how

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Old 01-17-2011, 09:03 PM   #16 (permalink)
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For what it's worth, I think the VDC makes people worse drivers. They begin to rely on the VDC to save them rather than learning how to actually drive their car, when it will give, how it feels in the rain, etc. Then when they turn it off, hell breaks loose. IMHO, we should all be turning it off unless we are driving in the rain or snow.
i agree. once i figured out how to turn the system 100% off (pulling the harness out) i left it out during all types of conditions to fully understand how the car reacts so i know what to do if i get in a situation.
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How do I get experience then?
You can go to this: BMW North America

or become member to your local BMWCCA and attend their "drivers education" where you get an instructor teaching you the dynamics of the car. Ask them questions all day and they will answer your question.

Here's my local bmw cca chapter: DelVal BMW CCA

You'll be on a slippery skidpad with your VDC off and the Rear end of the car will be sliding away but at the same time, you can keep the car in control by moving the steering wheel to that perfect angle where you can keep the car in the desired line ! It's a beautiful thing to watch and experience! The more experience you get, the more you'll trust your car, know the limit of your car and you'll probably want to turn the VDC off and start to taking control over your own car

Here's Donnie Isley showing us (during a 500 HP M5 Hot lap) how he can keep the car in control in a skid pad as he is sliding around in a "cone control" desired path! Talk about car control!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XoCTuyrGoQ

By becoming BMWCCA member, you'll be doing Autox regularly, driving ed, classroom learning, track driving and many other stuff. It's a must if you're a trying to gain experience. You'll be able to utilize the power and handling of this fantastic 370Z to the max! You want to learn these things in a control environment surrounded by knowledgeable instructors, NOT going to the supermarket on public roads!!!
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It's funny, I bought a 350Z, specifically without VDC as I didn't want to take away from a "true" driving experience.

While buying the 370Z, one of the downsides I thought would be that I would now have a VDC that I would have to turn off every time.

However as I learned to drive smoothly within the limits of a car in my 350Z, I (almost) never turn off the VDC on the 370Z because it actually never really kicks in.
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However as I learned to drive smoothly within the limits of a car in my 350Z, I (almost) never turn off the VDC on the 370Z because it actually never really kicks in.
What he said.
I only turn the VDC off when I feel like wasting some tire and seeing what the road looks like from the side windows instead of the windshield.
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What he said.
I only turn the VDC off when I feel like wasting some tire and seeing what the road looks like from the side windows instead of the windshield.
Exactly the reason why "almost" was in my reply..
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VDC ... Pfft, You wanna live forever?!?!
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I never turn the VDC off as I don't drive fast & furious enough to make the VDC turn on anyway but IF something goes wrong its nice to know that I got some backup.
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Why would you ever want to turn it off except getting loose in snow or sand? So it helps control the vehicle if you make a mistake.. so what's wrong with that? Why do I have to learn something the computer will do for me?
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Why would you ever want to turn it off except getting loose in snow or sand? So it helps control the vehicle if you make a mistake.. so what's wrong with that? Why do I have to learn something the computer will do for me?
cuz the computer might not always be there when you need it, then your screwed. Same reason why we train on our gunnery systems in the tanks without the computer. Its like being back in WW2, but if our systems go down we need to know what to do.
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Why would you ever want to turn it off except getting loose in snow or sand? So it helps control the vehicle if you make a mistake.. so what's wrong with that? Why do I have to learn something the computer will do for me?
Drag racing or in some chases were you want the tires to break loose alittle.
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cuz the computer might not always be there when you need it, then your screwed. Same reason why we train on our gunnery systems in the tanks without the computer. Its like being back in WW2, but if our systems go down we need to know what to do.
Playing devil's advicate here, but without the computer, a modern car is a chunk of immobile art.
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Playing devil's advicate here, but without the computer, a modern car is a chunk of immobile art.
I think he was applying that if that part (VDC) only was to go out. The switch or that part of the computer. Along with the sensors that run the system.
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I think he was applying that if that part (VDC) only was to go out. The switch or that part of the computer. Along with the sensors that run the system.
I still think it's very far-fetched and there are plenty of other concerns more pressing. Car-jacking, etc. for example.
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Whether its the computer, fuse, wiring...anything...if the VDC goes down half the people here would be screwed if they got in a situation where they would rely on the VDC to save them. Like i said before, you can drive a sports car (especially one with only 332hp) without VDC, then you really shouldnt be driving anything other then a honda civic.
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I feel that most people are better off with it on. I personally would only turn it off at a track or autocross event. There are way to many variables on the average street to make turning it off 100% of the time a smart choice. Thats just my opinion though.
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