Driving in winter... (mild 56K warning)

370Z Purist · 01-09-2011, 01:24 PM

... is not the greatest idea. Especially with stock tires.

Well, winter wouldn't really be a part of the problem too much.

I always told myself I would be the very last person to post a crash thread. Unfortunately, I'm not, so here's the story.

About 10 days ago, I was driving down to my house from the girlfriend's. It was snowing outside, and I was on a large road where any of the snow would be endlessly run over by cars and turned to water and slush. As I reach the top of the crest, I've lost some speed. Limit's 40, so I give a little gas since I was at 30. In retrospect, I should have stayed at 30.

While I was on the gas, I hit a bump on top of the road and just start to hydroplane all over the place. Well, actually, I barely even slid that much, but I hit the curb and bounce off into oncoming traffic lanes. If I had to describe
how I hit it, imagine this:

You're facing straight along the road. Hydroplane happens, and you begin to turn left. The wheel hits the curb, and you spin right and stop in the opposite lanes. Address the following, a dramatic, beautiful reconstruction of the event.

front
____
\___\----|
_\car-\---| curb
__\___\---|

When I finally come to a stop, I look in front and in back. There was no traffic for at least a quarter mile more in either direction. In all my life I have never felt a feeling of relief at my insanely good luck. A guy in a minivan comes to check up on me. I manage to limp home on the snowy subdivision roads (mind you I had basically crashed 15 seconds from home).

I think to myself, maybe if I had just pushed in the clutch and not hit the brakes so hard, I'd be fine, but it was too late for that. I'm already thinking of the worst case scenario, I've smashed up the passenger side panels and it's going to be a + $10K repair. VDC was off, and the "VDC is working" light (or the slip light, I don't know) was on.

I looked around at the car and everything was fine, no body damage. I'm lucky there. But I saw this (sorry about the terrible lighting and huge images):

As you can (or can't) see, the wheel itself is damaged, but not too badly. Regardless, it still has to be scrapped, since it's heavily distorted (but it still seems to hold air). The obvious part is that it's toeing out significantly; at least five degrees. At this rate, I'd be afraid to drive it over 20 mph for fear of the tire peeling right off while I'm moving.

I am trying to get a hold of a couple buddies for their jacks so I can get a clear look at the suspension components, as taking off the wheel itself also accomplishes little.

I'm estimating a repair (in parts) at 500-1000 dollars... and the labor to skyrocket the price into the 4000-5000 range. I've already contacted RCZ about a set of stock wheels (would you believe the dealer charged me 1100 for a single wheel?).

So how about it, guys? Did I **** up bad? Also, suggestions as for how to fix it? Maybe it's a DIY project. Probably not.

m4a1mustang · 01-09-2011, 01:26 PM

Yikes. That sucks.

You need to get it up on a lift to assess suspension damage. Sometimes when you hit the wheel like that you can really do a lot more damage than you'd think.

370Z Purist · 01-09-2011, 01:28 PM

That's what I was thinking. Even hitting the curb at 30-35 has managed to screw it up like this, the best I can hope for is that the chassis isn't damaged.

k20z3 · 01-09-2011, 01:45 PM

Sorry to hear buddy, get your Z checked into the Doctor soon

Xan · 01-09-2011, 01:46 PM

You just lost control on a slippery road... Our cars will not hydroplane at ~30mph unless your thread on the tires was close to slicks... Wth was VDC off for anyways....

But you surely damaged more then just the wheel. I would say no DIY as you need proper tools to make sure everything is aligned.

370Z Purist · 01-09-2011, 01:48 PM

VDC was off after the crash. I was in the far right lane, so I didn't even have to "hydroplane" or slide any significant distance to hit the curb.

I would definitely have to get under the thing to see.

joentown · 01-09-2011, 01:51 PM

Prompts a quick note on my experience yesterday in Philly. Only about 1 inch snow on my driveway.

My 370Z was in the garage but i needed to move it onto my driveway to get a signal for my GPS. I backed out so that I was no more than 8 feet onto my driveway.......Trying to go the 8Ft to get back into my garage was a real challenge.

I ended up completely off my drive way (all 4 wheels) onto my front lawn as the car virtually went sideways in the snow. Went down a 1-2ft slope in my lawn and ended up on my neighbor's front lawn.

Top speed was no more than 3-5 mph but the more i tried to advance forward the more I went sideways.

1.5 hours later I made it back into my garage.....unbelievable!!

370Z Purist · 01-09-2011, 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joentown

Prompts a quick note on my experience yesterday in Philly. Only about 1 inch snow on my driveway.

My 370Z was in the garage but i needed to move it onto my driveway to get a signal for my GPS. I backed out so that I was no more than 8 feet onto my driveway.......Trying to go the 8Ft to get back into my garage was a real challenge.

I ended up completely off my drive way (all 4 wheels) onto my front lawn as the car virtually went sideways in the snow. Went down a 1-2ft slope in my lawn and ended up on my neighbor's front lawn.

Top speed was no more than 3-5 mph but the more i tried to advance forward the more I went sideways.

1.5 hours later I made it back into my garage.....unbelievable!!

I was outside for an hour and a half shoveling the 2 inches on my driveway to get in after the crash. The incline is barely 10 degrees. The tires really are terrible on snow. I drive barely once or twice during the winter with the Z, and it just so happened to snow an hour before I left.

c41006 · 01-09-2011, 02:00 PM

Stories like this make me cringe especially since we are supposed to get up to 5 inches across the Atlanta area tomorrow. Hope everything turns out alright and there isn't any major damage

370Z Purist · 01-09-2011, 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by c41006

Stories like this make me cringe especially since we are supposed to get up to 5 inches across the Atlanta area tomorrow. Hope everything turns out alright and there isn't any major damage

Be careful in the snow. I heard Blizzaks do a lot if you have them.

Thanks for the concern, though. I hope it isn't major either.

Red__Zed · 01-09-2011, 02:54 PM

Def get the suspension and such checked out.
Sorry about what happened.

PapoZalsa · 01-09-2011, 03:12 PM

Summer tires + Winter (North) = FAIL

However this Winter has not been friendly to any area even in the South.

Sorry about that but it is not wise at all to drive with Summer tires in those conditions, hopefully no more damage happen to your car.

370Z Purist · 01-09-2011, 03:22 PM

Usually I never have problems. First time for everything, I guess.

CrownR426 · 01-09-2011, 04:21 PM

You'll be lucky if you didn't damage your frame!
Glad you're okay!

SPOHN · 01-09-2011, 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by c41006

Stories like this make me cringe especially since we are supposed to get up to 5 inches across the Atlanta area tomorrow. Hope everything turns out alright and there isn't any major damage

You got that right. At least I have another DD. Probably wont drive the Z for several days.

01-09-2011, 01:24 PM	#1 (permalink)
370Z Purist A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Zion, Illinois Posts: 1,873 Drives: '09 370Z-T BS M6 Rep Power: 19	Driving in winter... (mild 56K warning) ... is not the greatest idea. Especially with stock tires. Well, winter wouldn't really be a part of the problem too much. I always told myself I would be the very last person to post a crash thread. Unfortunately, I'm not, so here's the story. About 10 days ago, I was driving down to my house from the girlfriend's. It was snowing outside, and I was on a large road where any of the snow would be endlessly run over by cars and turned to water and slush. As I reach the top of the crest, I've lost some speed. Limit's 40, so I give a little gas since I was at 30. In retrospect, I should have stayed at 30. While I was on the gas, I hit a bump on top of the road and just start to hydroplane all over the place. Well, actually, I barely even slid that much, but I hit the curb and bounce off into oncoming traffic lanes. If I had to describe how I hit it, imagine this: You're facing straight along the road. Hydroplane happens, and you begin to turn left. The wheel hits the curb, and you spin right and stop in the opposite lanes. Address the following, a dramatic, beautiful reconstruction of the event. front ____ \___\----\| _\car-\---\| curb __\___\---\| When I finally come to a stop, I look in front and in back. There was no traffic for at least a quarter mile more in either direction. In all my life I have never felt a feeling of relief at my insanely good luck. A guy in a minivan comes to check up on me. I manage to limp home on the snowy subdivision roads (mind you I had basically crashed 15 seconds from home). I think to myself, maybe if I had just pushed in the clutch and not hit the brakes so hard, I'd be fine, but it was too late for that. I'm already thinking of the worst case scenario, I've smashed up the passenger side panels and it's going to be a + $10K repair. VDC was off, and the "VDC is working" light (or the slip light, I don't know) was on. I looked around at the car and everything was fine, no body damage. I'm lucky there. But I saw this (sorry about the terrible lighting and huge images): As you can (or can't) see, the wheel itself is damaged, but not too badly. Regardless, it still has to be scrapped, since it's heavily distorted (but it still seems to hold air). The obvious part is that it's toeing out significantly; at least five degrees. At this rate, I'd be afraid to drive it over 20 mph for fear of the tire peeling right off while I'm moving. I am trying to get a hold of a couple buddies for their jacks so I can get a clear look at the suspension components, as taking off the wheel itself also accomplishes little. I'm estimating a repair (in parts) at 500-1000 dollars... and the labor to skyrocket the price into the 4000-5000 range. I've already contacted RCZ about a set of stock wheels (would you believe the dealer charged me 1100 for a single wheel?). So how about it, guys? Did I **** up bad? Also, suggestions as for how to fix it? Maybe it's a DIY project. Probably not. __________________ -Phil "Since one of my brake light bulbs just went out, the forum told me that my piston rings are about to blow." Last edited by 370Z Purist; 01-09-2011 at 01:30 PM.

01-09-2011, 01:26 PM	#2 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6962	Yikes. That sucks. You need to get it up on a lift to assess suspension damage. Sometimes when you hit the wheel like that you can really do a lot more damage than you'd think. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

01-09-2011, 01:28 PM	#3 (permalink)
370Z Purist A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Zion, Illinois Posts: 1,873 Drives: '09 370Z-T BS M6 Rep Power: 19	That's what I was thinking. Even hitting the curb at 30-35 has managed to screw it up like this, the best I can hope for is that the chassis isn't damaged. __________________ -Phil "Since one of my brake light bulbs just went out, the forum told me that my piston rings are about to blow."

01-09-2011, 01:45 PM	#4 (permalink)
k20z3 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2009 Location: Denver CO Age: 33 Posts: 2,146 Drives: 2006 Civic SI HFP Rep Power: 405	Sorry to hear buddy, get your Z checked into the Doctor soon __________________ 2006 RALLYE RED HONDA CIVIC SI HFP Clint's Helpful Photoshop Hints!

01-09-2011, 01:46 PM	#5 (permalink)
Xan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: MA Posts:99999999999999 Posts: 3,301 Drives: 370Z 40th Aniversary Rep Power: 24	You just lost control on a slippery road... Our cars will not hydroplane at ~30mph unless your thread on the tires was close to slicks... Wth was VDC off for anyways.... But you surely damaged more then just the wheel. I would say no DIY as you need proper tools to make sure everything is aligned. __________________

01-09-2011, 01:48 PM	#6 (permalink)
370Z Purist A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Zion, Illinois Posts: 1,873 Drives: '09 370Z-T BS M6 Rep Power: 19	VDC was off after the crash. I was in the far right lane, so I didn't even have to "hydroplane" or slide any significant distance to hit the curb. I would definitely have to get under the thing to see. __________________ -Phil "Since one of my brake light bulbs just went out, the forum told me that my piston rings are about to blow."

01-09-2011, 01:51 PM	#7 (permalink)
joentown Base Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Philly, PA Posts: 70 Drives: 370Z '10 Tour Sport Rep Power: 17	Prompts a quick note on my experience yesterday in Philly. Only about 1 inch snow on my driveway. My 370Z was in the garage but i needed to move it onto my driveway to get a signal for my GPS. I backed out so that I was no more than 8 feet onto my driveway.......Trying to go the 8Ft to get back into my garage was a real challenge. I ended up completely off my drive way (all 4 wheels) onto my front lawn as the car virtually went sideways in the snow. Went down a 1-2ft slope in my lawn and ended up on my neighbor's front lawn. Top speed was no more than 3-5 mph but the more i tried to advance forward the more I went sideways. 1.5 hours later I made it back into my garage.....unbelievable!!

01-09-2011, 02:00 PM	#9 (permalink)
c41006 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Atlanta Posts: 9,034 Drives: '10 G37 Coupe BO 7AT Rep Power: 114	Stories like this make me cringe especially since we are supposed to get up to 5 inches across the Atlanta area tomorrow. Hope everything turns out alright and there isn't any major damage

01-09-2011, 02:54 PM	#11 (permalink)
Red__Zed A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: window seat Posts: 28,940 Drives: Mostly on two wheels Rep Power: 120	Def get the suspension and such checked out. Sorry about what happened.

01-09-2011, 03:12 PM	#12 (permalink)
PapoZalsa A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Not in Sunny Florida Posts: 6,358 Drives: 16 Nismo w/Tech Pack Rep Power: 4500	Summer tires + Winter (North) = FAIL However this Winter has not been friendly to any area even in the South. Sorry about that but it is not wise at all to drive with Summer tires in those conditions, hopefully no more damage happen to your car. __________________ 2009 370Z MB Base w/Sport Package 6MT Modshack's Custom Air Intakes /3M Clear Bra/ Illuminated Kick Plates / F. I CBE w/12" resonators / EVO-R Front Lip / Rear Hatch Wing / Tein S-Tech Springs /Ilegal Tint in the Rep. of VA/4x20mm Z1 Spacers/ Vinyl Roof/Liquid Carbon Designs

01-09-2011, 03:22 PM	#13 (permalink)
370Z Purist A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Zion, Illinois Posts: 1,873 Drives: '09 370Z-T BS M6 Rep Power: 19	Usually I never have problems. First time for everything, I guess. __________________ -Phil "Since one of my brake light bulbs just went out, the forum told me that my piston rings are about to blow."

01-09-2011, 04:21 PM	#14 (permalink)
CrownR426 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: South Korea Posts: 4,676 Drives: Manual Rep Power: 848	You'll be lucky if you didn't damage your frame! Glad you're okay! __________________ Love + Hardwork + Passion RIP SVTRacer

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