Japanese and the Z - Sound

phelan · 12-22-2010, 10:54 AM

wtf is this saki stuff?

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Originally Posted by fastsach

All has changed since the French (Renault) bought controlling interest of Nissan. The handshake is gone and replaced with what's called a Master Purchase Agreement. Very complex. Have no doubt, the French call the shots at Nissan these days.

lol, Ghoswned. ugh.

i really can appreciate the work that goes into tuning the sound of the cars and all that. it's nice to see attention to details. still...if our VQ37VHR is 'tuned for sound', i think we've got serious problems. maybe the blind guy is going deaf.

and honestly, they should probably get that intern going on figuring out how to get some more low end torque out of this damn engine!

4r3s · 12-22-2010, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by phelan

...still...if our VQ37VHR is 'tuned for sound', i think we've got serious problems. maybe the blind guy is going deaf.

I was thinking the same thing in regards to how noisy the stock tires are. I just switched to some snow shoes and I was taken back by how much less road noise my car has now.

fastsach · 12-22-2010, 03:12 PM

You guys are good!

The Z was never an Altima and was born way back as the Fairlady Z. Which you guys probably already know.
The Altima was born from the Stanza.

I have not heard the Z but it sounds like it is bad. Not sure if the blind dude is still around or if what he does is any good. My point was to illustrate the mind set of the Japanese. A blind guy is best for sound. I would be willing to bet that money now has the front seat

Wait till I tell you about the deaf dude!

KenChan, where do you get your name? In Japan it is an honorific term to use san at the end of a man or woman's name as it denotes respect as does the level of a bow. Chan however is used only by men and denotes a very close relationship such as best friends to us. If your name was Ken and I addressed you as Ken-chan people around us as well as you would see this as a term of affection and that you have given me permission to to use it.

And that's today's lesson!

spearfish25 · 12-22-2010, 11:24 AM

A blind guy designing the engine/exhaust sound makes sense. His heightened hearing would lead to quieter exhausts....hence our nearly silent stock exhaust.

Now did this blind guy lay a hand on the car during testing? The V and H in NVH surely didn't get aprpeciated.

phelan · 12-22-2010, 11:26 AM

what the hell is that on the 370Z's hood? did someone shitstain it??

phelan · 12-22-2010, 03:32 PM

^ whoa, whoa, whoa. careful with using -chan suffixes. '-chan' between a male and a female who are in a close relationship can be seen as cute. two guys using 'chan' with each other is seen as strange most of the time...i think.

wikipedia surprisingly captures it quite well.

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In general, chan is used for babies, young children, and teenage girls. It may also be used towards cute animals, lovers, close friends, or any youthful woman.

Although traditionally honorifics are not applied to oneself, some young women adopt the childish affectation of referring to themselves in the third person using chan. For example, a young woman named Kanako might call herself Kanako-chan rather than using a first person pronoun. Also, the very common female name suffix -ko (〜子) may be dropped, as in Kana-chan.

in fact, these days, i don't hear a lot of suffixes between male friends, unless it's a nickname or something. they just call by name, or if necessary, add the '-san' as appropriate. in familiar cases, use '-kun'.

or maybe 'yan'. lol

fastsach · 12-22-2010, 03:39 PM

Not true, or at least it was not a few years ago. In the office I would hear one man add chan to another man he was addressing and asked about the term. The guy that explained it to me was a little embarassed by it because he understood the stigma my western mind would attach to it. After this I noticed it more and got the same explanation at a bar with a friend over there. Perfectly OK to use.

Are you in Japan phelan?

ProfessorDave · 12-22-2010, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by fastsach

Not true, or at least it was not a few years ago. In the office I would hear one man add chan to another man he was addressing and asked about the term. The guy that explained it to me was a little embarassed by it because he understood the stigma my western mind would attach to it. After this I noticed it more and got the same explanation at a bar with a friend over there. Perfectly OK to use.

OK, having been on forums with Kenchan for several years now and never understanding the significance of how he prefers to be addressed, I am both embarrassed that I have never gotten him a birthday present, and pissed off that he's never had me over for dinner.

kenchan · 12-22-2010, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ProfessorDave

OK, having been on forums with Kenchan for several years now and never understanding the significance of how he prefers to be addressed, I am both embarrassed that I have never gotten him a birthday present, and pissed off that he's never had me over for dinner.

Mt Tam I am · 12-22-2010, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks

The car sounds fine stock, the engine itself can be a little harsh at very high RPM's but the intake the exhaust are alright, just can be improved by some aftermarket.

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Originally Posted by shoopajae10

Make sure you get yourself an oil cooler or your fun will only last a minute!!

phelan · 12-22-2010, 03:46 PM

no, but i lived in tokyo for a while.

never heard it used between guys. unless they were drunk off their *** lol. mind you, i was a grad student. maybe it's different. i dunno.

oh, and for the record, i never heard '-kun' either. i think it's kinda kiddy, honestly.

basically, i called people using -san, no matter what. being a foreigner, i just made sure i was proper and not insulting someone.

i suppose the rule is, if others refer to a person as -chan, and they're cool with it, then fine. but don't open up by calling someone '-chan' until you know they're comfortable with it. it could be weird lol

BACK ON TOPIC!

Rui Z · 12-22-2010, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by phelan

no, but i lived in tokyo for a while.

never heard it used between guys. unless they were drunk off their *** lol. mind you, i was a grad student. maybe it's different. i dunno.

oh, and for the record, i never heard '-kun' either. i think it's kinda kiddy, honestly.

basically, i called people using -san, no matter what. being a foreigner, i just made sure i was proper and not insulting someone.

i suppose the rule is, if others refer to a person as -chan, and they're cool with it, then fine. but don't open up by calling someone '-chan' until you know they're comfortable with it. it could be weird lol

BACK ON TOPIC!

Man, I would love to live in Tokyo for a year. Shibuya......Shibuya......transfer for the Oedo Line, the Marunochi Line, the Keio Line.......

xdeslitx · 12-27-2010, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by phelan

no, but i lived in tokyo for a while.

never heard it used between guys. unless they were drunk off their *** lol. mind you, i was a grad student. maybe it's different. i dunno.

oh, and for the record, i never heard '-kun' either. i think it's kinda kiddy, honestly.

basically, i called people using -san, no matter what. being a foreigner, i just made sure i was proper and not insulting someone.

i suppose the rule is, if others refer to a person as -chan, and they're cool with it, then fine. but don't open up by calling someone '-chan' until you know they're comfortable with it. it could be weird lol

BACK ON TOPIC!

Phelan-chan!!!!

EDIT:
nevermind I felt weird after a few minutes. Felt like I was talking to a little girl.

kenchan · 12-22-2010, 04:02 PM

yah, noone in real life actually calls me kenchan other than my mom.

my girlfriends including my wife long time ago use to call me that while we were dating but these days they use -san.

it is common for j-folks call their co-workers with -chan or -yan especially after shortening either their first or last name. it's something about the j-culture they like to shorten names and add some kind of flare to it.

as far as the 370z's stock exhaust, it sounds better when it's leaking at the last flange. lol

fastsach · 12-22-2010, 04:36 PM

As I mentioned I am Zless until Feb when my lease gets here but ya'll have me primed for a terrible sounding car. I'm so in love with the damn thing I don't think I will care. I go to east TN to rip around the twisties up there on sport bikes twice a year with freinds from 3 different states. This year I'm takin the Z and am going to tear their a** up!

Has the Dragon and Cherohala been discussed in this forum?

Tail of the Dragon at Deals Gap and Cherohala Skyway, Graham Co, NC

12-22-2010, 11:24 AM	#4 (permalink)
spearfish25 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Naples, FL Posts: 4,117 Drives: to work Rep Power: 1857	A blind guy designing the engine/exhaust sound makes sense. His heightened hearing would lead to quieter exhausts....hence our nearly silent stock exhaust. Now did this blind guy lay a hand on the car during testing? The V and H in NVH surely didn't get aprpeciated. __________________ 2013 Cadillac V-Wagon, RIP Z Last edited by spearfish25; 12-22-2010 at 11:29 AM.

12-22-2010, 11:26 AM	#5 (permalink)
phelan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: CA Age: 39 Posts: 9,513 Drives: Scoobaroo Rep Power: 3406	what the hell is that on the 370Z's hood? did someone shitstain it?? __________________ 凛 ('Rin') - 2009 Nissan 370Z With silence comes peace. With peace comes freedom. With freedom comes silence.

12-22-2010, 03:46 PM	#11 (permalink)
phelan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: CA Age: 39 Posts: 9,513 Drives: Scoobaroo Rep Power: 3406	no, but i lived in tokyo for a while. never heard it used between guys. unless they were drunk off their * lol. mind you, i was a grad student. maybe it's different. i dunno. oh, and for the record, i never heard '-kun' either. i think it's kinda kiddy, honestly. basically, i called people using -san, no matter what. being a foreigner, i just made sure i was proper and not insulting someone. i suppose the rule is, if others refer to a person as -chan, and they're cool with it, then fine. but don't open up by calling someone '-chan' until you know they're comfortable with it. it could be weird lol BACK ON TOPIC! __________________ 凛 ('Rin')** - 2009 Nissan 370Z With silence comes peace. With peace comes freedom. With freedom comes silence. Last edited by phelan; 12-22-2010 at 03:54 PM.

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12-22-2010, 03:12 PM	#3 (permalink)
fastsach Base Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 20 Drives: Honda CBR1100XX Rep Power: 15	You guys are good! The Z was never an Altima and was born way back as the Fairlady Z. Which you guys probably already know. The Altima was born from the Stanza. I have not heard the Z but it sounds like it is bad. Not sure if the blind dude is still around or if what he does is any good. My point was to illustrate the mind set of the Japanese. A blind guy is best for sound. I would be willing to bet that money now has the front seat Wait till I tell you about the deaf dude! KenChan, where do you get your name? In Japan it is an honorific term to use san at the end of a man or woman's name as it denotes respect as does the level of a bow. Chan however is used only by men and denotes a very close relationship such as best friends to us. If your name was Ken and I addressed you as Ken-chan people around us as well as you would see this as a term of affection and that you have given me permission to to use it. And that's today's lesson!

12-22-2010, 03:39 PM	#7 (permalink)
fastsach Base Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 20 Drives: Honda CBR1100XX Rep Power: 15	Not true, or at least it was not a few years ago. In the office I would hear one man add chan to another man he was addressing and asked about the term. The guy that explained it to me was a little embarassed by it because he understood the stigma my western mind would attach to it. After this I noticed it more and got the same explanation at a bar with a friend over there. Perfectly OK to use. Are you in Japan phelan?

12-22-2010, 04:02 PM	#14 (permalink)
kenchan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: N/A Posts: 76,801 Drives: N/A Rep Power: 141521	yah, noone in real life actually calls me kenchan other than my mom. my girlfriends including my wife long time ago use to call me that while we were dating but these days they use -san. it is common for j-folks call their co-workers with -chan or -yan especially after shortening either their first or last name. it's something about the j-culture they like to shorten names and add some kind of flare to it. as far as the 370z's stock exhaust, it sounds better when it's leaking at the last flange. lol