How do you think the 370z is going to stack up vs. the new 1M coupe?

Jeffblue · 12-10-2010, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by wilsonp

So Jeffblue's signature applies to the 1M as well?

haha, guess so!

Dwight Frye · 12-10-2010, 06:02 PM

That 1M is hideous ! It looks like somebody ordered a tack on body parts kit from ebay or was designed by the same style-unconscious dorks that designed the new Mazda 3.

wheee! · 12-10-2010, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffblue

seems like it will be a solid car. i'm all for it and i'm happy they are doing it. maybe it will get nissan's *** in gear to produce a more powerful Z to compete. i dunno about you, but i'd pay 45k for a twin turbo'd Z from the factory.

when hyundai comes out with the genesis, and our car is marginally better from a performance perspective, everyone jumps on those 10ths of seconds and tiny power differences like they are mana from heaven. Then when someone mentions the fact that the genesis is cheaper, people are like'oh rabbah rabahh grumble grumble who cares'

the performance/price differences between this car and our car is similar to those between ours and the genesis. Seems like nissan is getting squeezed from both sides, and you know what, i think its great. i love Z cars, and its competition like this that will make them better and better.

competition is a good thing. and when other car companies come out with good cars, that are competitively priced its good for everyone. who knows, maybe nissan will throw a straight six twin turbocharged engine in the next Z

It is important to note that the rest of the world pays a premium for these cars unlike Americans who get a deeply discounted vehicle. The stock 370Z in Canada starts at $40,000 and tops out around $50,000 for the sport touring model. And yes, our dollars are close enough to par to call it even...

Germans, Australians, Japanese, you name it, we all pay thousands more for cars than Americans. A twin-turbo'd Z from the factory would be in the $60000 mark here, if they even bothered to offer it to us. Keep in mind the Nismo is only available in the US in North America....

Having said that, the BMW is an awesome car and is in its own class, just like the 370Z. If you like Beemers, get one! If you like the Z, get one! But comparing them is really just wrong.

LuckyJinx · 12-10-2010, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffblue

where did they find a mustang gt that slow? I agree, the genesis is still not THAT close to the Z. but my point still stands. No need to hate on competition, its good from a consumers perspective.

^that is what I would do.

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Originally Posted by wheee!

It is important to note that the rest of the world pays a premium for these cars unlike Americans who get a deeply discounted vehicle. The stock 370Z in Canada starts at $40,000 and tops out around $50,000 for the sport touring model. And yes, our dollars are close enough to par to call it even...

Germans, Australians, Japanese, you name it, we all pay thousands more for cars than Americans. A twin-turbo'd Z from the factory would be in the $60000 mark here, if they even bothered to offer it to us. Keep in mind the Nismo is only available in the US in North America....

Having said that, the BMW is an awesome car and is in its own class, just like the 370Z. If you like Beemers, get one! If you like the Z, get one! But comparing them is really just wrong.

So im driving a 60k car? Sweet 50% off

wheee! · 12-10-2010, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by LuckyJinx

So im driving a 60k car? Sweet 50% off

Is it twin turbo'd?

I didn't think so.... sorry, back to $55,000....

chuckd05 · 12-10-2010, 06:45 PM

I think they had to keep the performance a little behind the m3 ... thats why the 13.2 , I'm guessing its detuned pretty severely

Its also interesting they are doing the twin turbo and not the newer single turbo setup they have in the 335s now.

ImportConvert · 12-10-2010, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by I want a Z

The base on the M3 is the mid 50's so I don't see how that is possible
Most likely it will base in the 40's

Yeah, but with ANY options at all that make it worth owning it crests $65K+ in a blurr.

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Originally Posted by chuckd05

I think they had to keep the performance a little behind the m3 ... thats why the 13.2 , I'm guessing its detuned pretty severely

Its also interesting they are doing the twin turbo and not the newer single turbo setup they have in the 335s now.

A quick tune from Dinan should be worth mid/low 12's no problem.

ProfessorDave · 12-10-2010, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Dwight Frye

That 1M is hideous ! It looks like somebody ordered a tack on body parts kit from ebay or was designed by the same style-unconscious dorks that designed the new Mazda 3.

Hey! I like my Mazda3!

Look at those snowflake rims. Worth 15+ HP gain. 50+ if they are turbo rims.

Pharmacist · 12-10-2010, 08:01 PM

I wonder if BMW got to fix those damn fuel pumps. If not then 0-60 is more like infinity, as the car won't be moving at all!

Brakes from the M3?

Every serious track enthusiast swaps out the M3 crappy brakes as one of the first mods they do on the car, so giving the same junk to the 1M is a fail from bmw.

And yes the car looks like crap and very ugly. Really, what's the point of this car? They kept the same engine and gearbox as the 135i. An aftermarket suspension on a 135i and an ECU tune would give identical performance to this car, making the 1M redundant. M cars have always been about free revving bespoke engines. M cars were never about slightly modified bread and butter BMW cars. That's like calling the new 335is an M3, which it obviously isn't. Why is this 1M considered an M car when its 3 series equivalent, the 335is is not? They both basically have the same engine tune and overboost. the M division is becomming a joke, making SUVs and entry level coupes. They should just keep the M3 and M5 as their M cars, and the rest of the M cars should be discontinued. This car should be renamed 135is, which it is. And how come they don't have an M version of the z4? That's far more suitable to the M division than a 135i.

Trips · 12-10-2010, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Pharmacist

I wonder if BMW got to fix those damn fuel pumps. If not then 0-60 is more like infinity, as the car won't be moving at all!

Brakes from the M3?

Every serious track enthusiast swaps out the M3 crappy brakes as one of the first mods they do on the car, so giving the same junk to the 1M is a fail from bmw.

And yes the car looks like crap and very ugly. Really, what's the point of this car? They kept the same engine and gearbox as the 135i. An aftermarket suspension on a 135i and an ECU tune would give identical performance to this car, making the 1M redundant. M cars have always been about free revving bespoke engines. M cars were never about slightly modified bread and butter BMW cars. That's like calling the new 335is an M3, which it obviously isn't. Why is this 1M considered an M car when its 3 series equivalent, the 335is is not? They both basically have the same engine tune and overboost. the M division is becomming a joke, making SUVs and entry level coupes. They should just keep the M3 and M5 as their M cars, and the rest of the M cars should be discontinued. This car should be renamed 135is, which it is. And how come they don't have an M version of the z4? That's far more suitable to the M division than a 135i.

So tell us what you really think?

esfourteen · 12-11-2010, 12:36 AM

<-- wishes his Z would magically lose 300lbs without ripping out the interior.

I would like to know how cars like this weigh the same as the Z when we only have 2 seats and the Z is full of aluminum x,y,z...

chuckd05 · 12-11-2010, 12:42 AM

Pharmicist what you say about this car not being worth an M badge. Some may say about the nismo Z ... The suspension of the M3 is far better than the standard 335. That alone is a significant improvement and a functioning lsd ( all 1 series have open diffs ) is also a huge plus...

This car in the right persons hands will be a very nasty machine.

Pharmacist · 12-11-2010, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Triple's

So tell us what you really think?

cant you read? I already said it. M cars should have their own unique high revving normally aspirated engines. M cars are not merely bolt on upgrades to ordinary bmw cars, which is what this 1m is

esfourteen · 12-11-2010, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by pharmacist

Cant you read? I already said it. M cars should have their own unique high revving normally aspirated engines. M cars are not merely bolt on upgrades to ordinary bmw cars, which is what this 1m is

*wooooosh*

Pharmacist · 12-11-2010, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by chuckd05

Pharmicist what you say about this car not being worth an M badge. Some may say about the nismo Z ... The suspension of the M3 is far better than the standard 335. That alone is a significant improvement and a functioning lsd ( all 1 series have open diffs ) is also a huge plus...

This car in the right persons hands will be a very nasty machine.

I dont like the nismo that much either, mainly due to the lack of any performance gain over the sport package. Amd my point is that m cars have always been unique. In addition to improved suspension and lsd they also have their own unique engine and transmission. The 1m is not unique at all. It is just a 135i with an ecu tune and some bolt on diff and suspension upgrades. It really is more like the 335is than the m3. At least bmw could have given it a detuned version of the m3 v8

12-10-2010, 06:45 PM	#51 (permalink)
chuckd05 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: NY Posts: 2,391 Drives: No longer a Z Rep Power: 20	I think they had to keep the performance a little behind the m3 ... thats why the 13.2 , I'm guessing its detuned pretty severely Its also interesting they are doing the twin turbo and not the newer single turbo setup they have in the 335s now. __________________ 09 370Z 6M PW - FBO Best 1/4 mile = 12.926 @ 109 SOLD -- 08 BMW 135i - FBO 12.1@120mph SOLD -- white 09 e92 335 Coupe Mtech - 11.9 @ 119 :-)

12-10-2010, 08:01 PM	#54 (permalink)
Pharmacist A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2009 Location: Toronto, Ontario Posts: 1,249 Drives: 09 370z Sport 6MT Rep Power: 18	I wonder if BMW got to fix those damn fuel pumps. If not then 0-60 is more like infinity, as the car won't be moving at all! Brakes from the M3? Every serious track enthusiast swaps out the M3 crappy brakes as one of the first mods they do on the car, so giving the same junk to the 1M is a fail from bmw. And yes the car looks like crap and very ugly. Really, what's the point of this car? They kept the same engine and gearbox as the 135i. An aftermarket suspension on a 135i and an ECU tune would give identical performance to this car, making the 1M redundant. M cars have always been about free revving bespoke engines. M cars were never about slightly modified bread and butter BMW cars. That's like calling the new 335is an M3, which it obviously isn't. Why is this 1M considered an M car when its 3 series equivalent, the 335is is not? They both basically have the same engine tune and overboost. the M division is becomming a joke, making SUVs and entry level coupes. They should just keep the M3 and M5 as their M cars, and the rest of the M cars should be discontinued. This car should be renamed 135is, which it is. And how come they don't have an M version of the z4? That's far more suitable to the M division than a 135i. __________________ 2009 370z Sport Touring/Nismo shift Knob/Z1 motorsports 34 row oil cooler

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esfourteen A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: LI, NY Posts: 1,375 Drives: 40th TT Rep Power: 18	<-- wishes his Z would magically lose 300lbs without ripping out the interior. I would like to know how cars like this weigh the same as the Z when we only have 2 seats and the Z is full of aluminum x,y,z... __________________ Build Thread \| GTM TT Install Thread \| Engine Build Thread

12-11-2010, 12:42 AM	#57 (permalink)
chuckd05 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: NY Posts: 2,391 Drives: No longer a Z Rep Power: 20	Pharmicist what you say about this car not being worth an M badge. Some may say about the nismo Z ... The suspension of the M3 is far better than the standard 335. That alone is a significant improvement and a functioning lsd ( all 1 series have open diffs ) is also a huge plus... This car in the right persons hands will be a very nasty machine. __________________ 09 370Z 6M PW - FBO Best 1/4 mile = 12.926 @ 109 SOLD -- 08 BMW 135i - FBO 12.1@120mph SOLD -- white 09 e92 335 Coupe Mtech - 11.9 @ 119 :-)

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Dwight Frye Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Occupied California Posts: 423 Drives: '09 Tour/Sport/6MT Rep Power: 16	That 1M is hideous ! It looks like somebody ordered a tack on body parts kit from ebay or was designed by the same style-unconscious dorks that designed the new Mazda 3.