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spitfire9200 12-10-2010 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Mt Tam I am (Post 844252)
Some mess of a car parks too close. Does this happen to anyone else? I have taken to putting orange cones around my car at work. I feel stupid doing it but My Z is like a magnet for others to park so close to it I can't open the door, in an empty parking lot.

And yes, you are paranoid! But are you paranoid enough?

that's brave. That basically is drawing MORE attention to yourself... I just park really far away and by myself, which still draws attention to me anyway... but cones?

I feel like that will make people that will typically ignore your car go f*ck it up just to spite you or f*ck with you... brave man.

Now if you drove a Maybach or a Bentley, they would probably see the cones and understand, lol.

ProfessorDave 12-10-2010 09:45 AM

The guy who intentionally tried to get me into an accident in his POS truck could have just been universally unstable or a sociopath. The smug look he gave me said "you think you're better than me?', which led me to believe his actions were about the car (I'm theorizing of course. Had I engaged him in conversation that would not have been the first thing I would have "said"). But I'm thinking it's a Nissan, not a Ferrari! It's a 30+k car, not 100+k. There are beemers, mercs, and lexus (lexi?) all around me that cost much more. They are boring looking cars, so maybe people don't get offended.

So, I should buy an old Escort or something to drive?

fuct 12-10-2010 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeffblue (Post 845692)
hahah i know. more recently, this cute girl from my building started parking next to me and it doesn't seem to bother me as much :p her car is in weirdly good shape. like, its always pristine, kinda weird. she doesn't really seem like the type to be into cars. maybe she just parks in the garage at home so it stays pretty clean.

or her Bf/hubby keeps it clean for her.......

ive never known a woman that would keep her car clean on a religious basis.

Jeffblue 12-10-2010 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by fuct (Post 846005)
or her Bf/hubby keeps it clean for her.......

ive never known a woman that would keep her car clean on a religious basis.

haha thats what i was thinking. or a dad. maybe she just found a good car wash that doesn't swirl the paint. she looks to be about 20-22, so i doubt she's married yet.

Jeffblue 12-10-2010 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 845918)
However, there is ALWAYS someone doing better than you, and if you can't accept that, you need to work on personal improvement

:iagree:

also, add in the fact that just b/c someone is in possesion of a nice car doesn't mean they are really wealthy enough to afford it. These days, all you need is decent credit, and the willingness to take on a huge debt in order to 'own'(but not really).

also it could be a leased car. I think most people who would hate on a nice car owner would think 'oh, nice car, they must be so rich they paid cash for it. fvck them.

but honestly, i think its mostly influenced by being totally aloof. Jeremy clarkson had quote that went something like this:

"People who drive rubbish cars should not be allowed to drive. Here's why. If you drive a rubbish car, it means you don't like cars. If you don't like something, then you can't be any good at it, and if you're not any good at driving, you shouldn't be allowed to drive"

obviously, he is kidding around but he does make a certain point. If you drive a shitty car (And its your ONLY car, not your beater or w/e) chances are (not necessarily) that you really don't care about cars at all. as long as it gets you from a-b, you don't care what it is, how it looks, how it drives or anything. So chances are, when you pull into a parking lot and you see a really nice car, it doesn't really register as a nice car. it's just a car, and you park next to it for no apparent reason. You park very close because you don't care about cars, and can't understand why someone would care if you invaded the 'space' of your vehicle.

there are a lot of people out there that don't give a rats *** about cars. There was a girl in my high school that, beyond the color and number of doors, couldn't tell the difference between cars. She'd look at a 7 series bmw, and not understand the difference between that and a black dodge stratus. it just didn't register. they were both just black sedans.

bullitt5897 12-10-2010 10:23 AM

Its like my younger brother... He hates cars and hates driving and my parents bought him the top of the line 2009 Tahoe with a special order 6.2L V8 with 22's... I said dude for christmas let me do something for your car... you know like a new set of rims or a new stereo system... can you believe this he said NO!!! I was floored! I built his last car and he loved it...

As far as driving with idiots and parking:

I drive like I ride my motorcycles my brain is working overtime! Anyone who rides bikes on the streets knows you have to be paranoid!!! and when it comes to parking I take the extra long walk or park in a end space to limit my exposure... when my car comes back I will take 3 spaces cause F*ck these B*tches my car is precious to me and costs more than their dam house!!! LMAO!

G Fo12ce 12-10-2010 10:52 AM

I've killed like 4 birds so far. Granted I work off a canyon road but those little F-ers want to fly out accross the road right as I approach. I even dusted one head on the other day. Thank god they are just the little sparrow types and that I have a clear bra. I don't know if it's the car, the color or what...

KaienZ34 12-10-2010 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by bullitt5897 (Post 846040)
Its like my younger brother... He hates cars and hates driving and my parents bought him the top of the line 2009 Tahoe with a special order 6.2L V8 with 22's... I said dude for christmas let me do something for your car... you know like a new set of rims or a new stereo system... can you believe this he said NO!!! I was floored! I built his last car and he loved it...

As far as driving with idiots and parking:

I drive like I ride my motorcycles my brain is working overtime! Anyone who rides bikes on the streets knows you have to be paranoid!!! and when it comes to parking I take the extra long walk or park in a end space to limit my exposure... when my car comes back I will take 3 spaces cause F*ck these B*tches my car is precious to me and costs more than their dam house!!! LMAO!

My Precious.....
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/6140/myprecious.jpg

bullitt5897 12-10-2010 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by G Fo12ce (Post 846067)
I've killed like 4 birds so far. Granted I work off a canyon road but those little F-ers want to fly out accross the road right as I approach. I even dusted one head on the other day. Thank god they are just the little sparrow types and that I have a clear bra. I don't know if it's the car, the color or what...

HAHAHA I have done that before... lol and I was aiming for the sucker! they always seem to make it without getting hit but not this time I rolled him like a bad habbit off my side view mirror hahaha. Whats really bad is when I had my Lexus IS a few years back I hit a Bat late at night... Sucker left a HUGE imprint on the windshield LMAO:roflpuke2: My brother was sleeping and was like WTF did we hit??? I was like your not going to believe this... a bat!!! Dam blind flying rats!!! :ughdance:

bullitt5897 12-10-2010 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by KaienZ34 (Post 846073)

DAM STR8!!! :bowrofl::bowrofl::roflpuke2::bowrofl::bowrofl:

kenchan 12-10-2010 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ProfessorDave (Post 845990)
So, I should buy an old Escort or something to drive?

no professordave... i drive a Fit to work each day with black steelies (snow tire set). l look like one of them. from this side (:icon17:), i can say that snobs that drive nicer big cars drive like they ownz the place and tries to cut me off because i drive a pos ecnobox with 'stolen hubcaps.' :rofl2:

i think people on this side have a very different view about folks on the otherside.

oh, and wat's wrong with asking if he likes potstickers? you f-king americans asked me if i like sushi when i came here. you folks taught me. they even said they think they knew me... :bowrofl: ;)

ProfessorDave 12-10-2010 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 846255)
no professordave... i drive a Fit to work each day with black steelies (snow tire set). l look like one of them. from this side (:icon17:), i can say that snobs that drive nicer big cars drive like they ownz the place and tries to cut me off because i drive a pos ecnobox with 'stolen hubcaps.' :rofl2:

i think people on this side have a very different view about folks on the otherside.

oh, and wat's wrong with asking if he likes potstickers? you f-king americans asked me if i like sushi when i came here. you folks taught me. they even said they think they knew me... :bowrofl: ;)

Ken, I have never once wondered about your food preferences :icon17:. But now you've made me hungry. Damn you kenchan and your forum hypnosis:yum:

kenchan 12-10-2010 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ProfessorDave (Post 846442)
Ken, I have never once wondered about your food preferences :icon17:. But now you've made me hungry. Damn you kenchan and your forum hypnosis:yum:

:icon18: i can use some nice charburger with cheeze fries right about now. :yum:

ProfessorDave 12-10-2010 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 846445)
:icon18: i can use some nice charburger with cheeze fries right about now. :yum:

Oh, you just won't let up:bowrofl:. Now headed to Five Guys for a burger

ImportConvert 12-10-2010 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffblue (Post 846027)
:iagree:

also, add in the fact that just b/c someone is in possesion of a nice car doesn't mean they are really wealthy enough to afford it. These days, all you need is decent credit, and the willingness to take on a huge debt in order to 'own'(but not really).

also it could be a leased car. I think most people who would hate on a nice car owner would think 'oh, nice car, they must be so rich they paid cash for it. fvck them.

but honestly, i think its mostly influenced by being totally aloof. Jeremy clarkson had quote that went something like this:

"People who drive rubbish cars should not be allowed to drive. Here's why. If you drive a rubbish car, it means you don't like cars. If you don't like something, then you can't be any good at it, and if you're not any good at driving, you shouldn't be allowed to drive"

obviously, he is kidding around but he does make a certain point. If you drive a shitty car (And its your ONLY car, not your beater or w/e) chances are (not necessarily) that you really don't care about cars at all. as long as it gets you from a-b, you don't care what it is, how it looks, how it drives or anything. So chances are, when you pull into a parking lot and you see a really nice car, it doesn't really register as a nice car. it's just a car, and you park next to it for no apparent reason. You park very close because you don't care about cars, and can't understand why someone would care if you invaded the 'space' of your vehicle.

there are a lot of people out there that don't give a rats *** about cars. There was a girl in my high school that, beyond the color and number of doors, couldn't tell the difference between cars. She'd look at a 7 series bmw, and not understand the difference between that and a black dodge stratus. it just didn't register. they were both just black sedans.

I agree with a lot of what you said, except I used to work at a dealership. We weren't supposed to, but we saw the credit score of nearly every person. You would be amazed at how rare a 700+ Beacon was. People are just as jealous of good credit as they are good income.

crash1369 12-10-2010 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Ztoon (Post 845009)
My favorite incident:
Was waiting in the Z at the front of Walmart to pick up my wife. (hate going in that place). Guy walks over and leaves his shopping cart 10 inches from my front bumper! Eye contact, smirk, and walks away. Wife arrives, we leave, and spot the guy at the very back of the lot, bags in hand. Roll up behind him in neutral, three feet behind, into gear and make like I'm doin the quarter mile. From my rear view, I could see he'd let go of the bags, and he was twitching pretty good!
Yah, I know, kinda immature, and some sh.t from the wife........ still worth it though!

:icon18: Love it!

Holy Christwagons :mad: Like three days after I got my car, still all shiny and obviously brand new I went to the store. Parked far away from everybody, like always, but as I was pulling into the spot I saw this guy half down the lot putting his last bag in his stupid toyota. So out of curiosity I thought I would watch and see what he did with the cart, becuase as we know nobody ever brings those ******* things back. Not surprisingly this was no exception but then I realized he was pushing it right up to my car becuase he "didn't feel like walking" and of course this guy was so arrogant about the whole thing, if he didn't run of as soon as I took a step back towards my car I probably would have ended up throwing that damn cart at him.

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Originally Posted by Jeffblue (Post 846027)
"People who drive rubbish cars should not be allowed to drive. Here's why. If you drive a rubbish car, it means you don't like cars. If you don't like something, then you can't be any good at it, and if you're not any good at driving, you shouldn't be allowed to drive"

I think that is the smartest thing I have ever heard

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Originally Posted by fuct (Post 846005)
or her Bf/hubby keeps it clean for her.......

ive never known a woman that would keep her car clean on a religious basis.

oh that is so true :shakes head:

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 846605)
I agree with a lot of what you said, except I used to work at a dealership. We weren't supposed to, but we saw the credit score of nearly every person. You would be amazed at how rare a 700+ Beacon was. People are just as jealous of good credit as they are good income.

So is that why the sales man keeps sucking up to me then, I guess I have unusually good credit and he thinks he can sell me another car :rofl2:

mick 12-10-2010 09:34 PM

haha. this reminds of the time when when i bought my 370z. the sales man asked me to fill out the credit application and i told him it wasn't necessary, i would write the dealer a big check.

and then when the paper work was done, it said the dealer had the lien on the car. i told him i already wrote you a big check, how could you have a lien on the car?

zmyride 12-11-2010 12:28 AM

this is how i usually park my Z.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UAQNetzY2k

Jeffblue 12-11-2010 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by mick (Post 846791)
haha. this reminds of the time when when i bought my 370z. the sales man asked me to fill out the credit application and i told him it wasn't necessary, i would write the dealer a big check.

and then when the paper work was done, it said the dealer had the lien on the car. i told him i already wrote you a big check, how could you have a lien on the car?

they hate when you make a big downpayment.

DIGItonium 12-11-2010 10:34 AM

As my coworker would say: "That's why you can't have nice things." Another would tell me: "Man, I wouldn't be able to handle that owning a nice car."

My rear bumper has a small car due to some idiot who momentarily crossed into my lane as we were slowing down to the traffic light. I hit the brakes harder for a bit, and he pulled back to his lane. After stopping, he quickly swung his car from the far left to the far right lane. He was so close to my rear that I could not see his headlights even for a minivan! I honked lots of times, but he just stared at me and took off. Later that afternoon I noticed the minor scar on my bumper. :mad:

Earlier this week I was at Walgreens. After getting in the car, an F150 just pulled in and parked about 1 ft. away from my door! I quickly pulled out of the spot before the driver opened the door. The truck parked past the line into my space. As I was leaving the parking lot I hit the brakes as a truck sped in from my right making a wide turn just to park his truck. Then I hit the brakes again as I saw a vehicle back out and not notice me one bit. Then as I was about to leave the parking lot, another car hit the brakes as the driver narrowly misses the entrance to Walgreens. So the driver put it in reverse and pulled in. :icon14:

Then I had a situation where I was trying to accelerate and merge onto the freeway. Two vehicles behind me literally sped up making it difficult to merge. The vehicle in front of me managed to squeeze in between causing the 2nd vehicle (truck with trailer) to hit the brakes. I was already down to 20mph and running out of road when I managed to squeeze in behind the 2nd vehicle.

Then there's another situation where I switched to the left lane to let a truck merge. When I signaled to switch right, a vehicle that was a few car lengths back sped up close to my quarter making it impossible to change lanes. Both vehicles were already driving under the limit, so I ended up passing them.

mick 12-11-2010 11:03 AM

a number of years ago, there was a new story on abc (i believe it was on 20/20 but not sure). they did a test about how people would react to other people based upon the car that they drove. they had this lady acting like she had car problem with an ordinary car and then with a mercedes SL.

people would stop and help her with the ordinary car but they would just pass by her when she drove the mercedes SL.

KaienZ34 12-11-2010 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by mick (Post 847144)
a number of years ago, there was a new story on abc (i believe it was on 20/20 but not sure). they did a test about how people would react to other people based upon the car that they drove. they had this lady acting like she had car problem with an ordinary car and then with a mercedes SL.

people would stop and help her with the ordinary car but they would just pass by her when she drove the mercedes SL.

They probably thought she had AAA. :roflpuke2:

kenchan 12-11-2010 12:47 PM

Yah i also remember seeing some documentary where good looking girls got asked if thy needed help where as a fat middle aged woman was left roasting in the sun. :D

It always pays to be in shape and take care of yourself.

SVTNate 12-13-2010 12:36 AM

My Z has 500 miles on the odo, it's 2 weeks old. Some POS hit my back bumper in a parking lot and didn't leave a note.

I guess the good news is that the damage is very minor. There is a half inch horizontal gouge in the bumper, and some minor marks I think that I'll be able to buff out. I think I can somehow smooth out the gouge, and with some touch-up paint it'll look perfect from a foot or two away.

It just sucks that the car is still brand new, and I haven't had it long enough to not care about it. It bugs the hell out of me just thinking about it!

ImportConvert 12-13-2010 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by SVTNate (Post 848898)
My Z has 500 miles on the odo, it's 2 weeks old. Some POS hit my back bumper in a parking lot and didn't leave a note.

I guess the good news is that the damage is very minor. There is a half inch horizontal gouge in the bumper, and some minor marks I think that I'll be able to buff out. I think I can somehow smooth out the gouge, and with some touch-up paint it'll look perfect from a foot or two away.

It just sucks that the car is still brand new, and I haven't had it long enough to not care about it. It bugs the hell out of me just thinking about it!

This is what happens to DD's. It sucks.

kenchan 12-13-2010 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 848989)
This is what happens to DD's. It sucks.

yep, never fails. all dd's ive owned the last 10+yrs were all damaged in the parking lot. almost all of them were damaged (key'ed, backed into, massive door dings, things stolen off of it, shopping cart ding, etc.) within the first 3months of ownership.

the one i have now was damaged in a minor fender bender, the other one has small scrape marks and curbage on the wheels from wife letting the valet park downtown.

it pays to have beaters imho. one less thing to worry about.

mick 12-13-2010 01:58 PM

hey i had a close call yesterday.
a lexus ran the red light.
i had the green light but i took my time to get going so he missed me.

ProfessorDave 12-13-2010 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by mick (Post 849442)
hey i had a close call yesterday.
a lexus ran the red light.
i had the green light but i took my time to get going so he missed me.

You'd think a Lexus owner would be more careful! Maybe they were rushing home to put a big red bow on it to give to their wife for a holiday gift because they cheated on her and gave her VD.

Just a theory.

onzedge 12-13-2010 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ProfessorDave (Post 849633)
You'd think a Lexus owner would be more careful! Maybe they were rushing home to put a big red bow on it to give to their wife for a holiday gift because they cheated on her and gave her VD.

Just a theory.

You are likely correct -- being a professor and all.

ProfessorDave 12-13-2010 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by onzedge (Post 849636)
You are likely correct -- being a professor and all.

:tup: I callz 'em like I seez 'em! Keep in mind my perspective is a little warped...:icon17:

houkouonchi 12-14-2010 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Mt Tam I am (Post 844252)
Some mess of a car parks too close. Does this happen to anyone else? I have taken to putting orange cones around my car at work. I feel stupid doing it but My Z is like a magnet for others to park so close to it I can't open the door, in an empty parking lot.

And yes, you are paranoid! But are you paranoid enough?

OMFG THIS!. I had have had this happen to me before. In about a 12 car parking all the slots were open when I parked. When I leave this *** whipe parks diagonally into the spot directly next to me with the front of his car about 4-5 inches from mine. He was so close I could *barely* get in as I am a big guy (6 ft, 300 pounds).

I was soo F*#%KING pissed. I wrote him a nasty note on his windshield I mean wtf?

Oh and about 5 times a month on my way to work some *** hat merges into my lane turning on to 8th St. In down-town L.A. 8th street is one way when I am turning on it from Francisco St. after getting off the 110 NB at the 9th street exit. Since 8th is a one-way street in this area I am in the right lane (turning left) usually because there is nobody in that lane and because the entrance into the building I work at is on the right *right* after the first light I hit on 8th street.

Even though both lanes are turn lanes a lot of times people in the left lane like to be in the farthest most right lane when they are done turning (my lane). I have had to go hard on my breaks and honk a good 4-5 times per month when this happens. I am extremely aware of people doing this now because it has happened soo many times so I wouldn't say I am in danger of getting in an accident simply because I am super careful when turning onto 8th now but this is lame as hell. I wish people would learn how to drive!

kenchan 12-14-2010 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by houkouonchi (Post 850484)
*** hat merges into my lane turning on to 8th St. In down-town L.A. 8th street is one way when I am turning on it from Francisco St. after getting off the 110 NB at the 9th street exit. Since 8th is a one-way street in this area I am in the right lane (turning left) usually because there is nobody in that lane and because the entrance into the building I work at is on the right *right* after the first light I hit on 8th street.

man, you're pretty literate in direction for a houkouonchi. lol :icon18:

was expecting more like i turn right then left over there and then another left and right and then up.

ProfessorDave 12-14-2010 10:59 AM

The commute from Ontario to L.A. must be killer!

houkouonchi 12-15-2010 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 850559)
man, you're pretty literate in direction for a houkouonchi. lol :icon18:

was expecting more like i turn right then left over there and then another left and right and then up.

Well I know exactly how to get there because I drive that way *EVERY* day. You better believe I got lost several times when I first started making that commute and I totally get ******* lost if the exits I normally take are closed or a freeway I normally take is closed.

Once I missed the 9th street exit and the 6th street exit was closed (only a mile from work) and it took me 40 minutes to get to work from the next exit I got off of (no joke). I really need to get a GPS unit but I am not sure of a good place to mount one where I can still see all my gauges.

Don't even get me started about when I lived in Japan. OMFG the addressing system in Japan is so freaking retarded its not even funny. And I thought I got lost in the U.S. it isn't even funny how lost I got in Japan. Luckily I didn't drive since I lived in Shibuya-ku near Tokyo (even though I had my international drivers permit) so it wasn't as bad as missing streets and stuff when driving but yeah... I got so lost there.

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Originally Posted by ProfessorDave (Post 850567)
The commute from Ontario to L.A. must be killer!

I work nights (10 PM to 8 AM) 4 days a week so its not that bad. I live right off the 60 free way (its on the border of pomona, ontario, chino) and thus its only about 40 miles one way. Since I work during non-peak hours it takes me about 35 minutes to drive in and about 40-45 minutes (depending on traffic) to get back.

EDIT: ProfessorDave I see that you are in Stranton, PA. Ontario, California -> Los Angeles is usually considered a pretty bad commute if you gotta do it during normal peoples shift but I realized you might have thought Ontario, CA was Ontario, Canada which of course would be ridiculous but being in PA you might not realize there is a city called Ontario decently close to L.A.

GZ3 12-15-2010 11:11 AM

this thread is awesome!

kenchan 12-15-2010 11:51 AM

houkouonchi- hahahaha! :tup:

ProfessorDave 12-15-2010 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 852017)
houkouonchi- hahahaha! :tup:

Ken, stop making fun of me because like houkouonchi said, I DID think he meant Ontario CANADA.

I forgot there was more country west of Pittsburgh:icon17:

Nismoracer 12-16-2010 12:55 AM

It's getting to the point where you can't drive a nice vehicle anywhere without worrying about someone messing with it. Some ppl have no respect. That's why you need a beater. I parked my Z once far away from other cars at the far end of the parking lot at sam's. As I return to my car what do I see, an old couple who parked right next to my car out of all the spots available and closer to the front door they had to park next to my car. And do they pay any attention to my car as they have their car door open all the way hitting my car, NO. I was mad but at the same time they're old ppl whataya do.......There was no scratch or dent. Tougher than I thought. And one time this douchebag set his cup on top of my car while he got his keys out :mad: :shakes head:

Lady Z 12-16-2010 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by fuct (Post 846005)
or her Bf/hubby keeps it clean for her.......

ive never known a woman that would keep her car clean on a religious basis.

:tiphat: My husband washes my Z for me every morning before I leave for work!

JayYoon 12-16-2010 01:46 AM

Idk if this help but now when i park my car... i dont park in the center of the square... i shift the car little to the right so that i get bit more room for driver side to open the door... And this may piss other drivers because u make there driver side really narrow... thats why you reverse park and shift little to the passenger side of the square.... thats what i do for parking... that way i get enough room to open door... if u havent noticed our cars need a lot of space for doors ^_^;;


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