370 on Top Gear

Lemers · 11-30-2010, 08:23 AM

If you think any of these hosts US or UK are given a car and a camera crew and come up if their own whitty humor and stunts your dead wrong. There are writers coming up with this stuff. So give credit where credit is dew and complain about that. These guys are just hosts and deliver what is given to them. If you don't like the delivery then blame the director for not pulling out a good performance.

elmz · 11-30-2010, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad

Well, it is still very new, so maybe the hosts will develop a more cohesive chemistry over the first season or two, and maybe they'll strike out with some original bits. I'm willing to give it a chance.

I agree, even at its current state, its better than any American car show I can think of. But it will never be as good as the British version. They have a big shoe to fill, but I think with time they'll be able to find a nice rythm.

My main gripe after watching the piece on the 370Z is it focused too much on the humor and competition that it completely forgot to review the car. The Brits are able to accomplish all of this without any effort.

Is it just me, but they grabbed 3 guys, 1 pro driver, 1 techno geek, and 1 comedian. It sounds like a fun and dynamic recipe but to me so far Tanner is the only one holding his own. The other 2 need to catch up and find their roles and run with it. Right now it just seems awkward.

SeattleLion · 11-30-2010, 12:54 PM

The History channel (Discovery) show was originally sold to NBC a couple of years ago. NBC backed out presumbably when Knight Rider got crappy ratings. The current show was bought by Discovery for ten episodes. So, chances are pretty good that this show will disappear soon.

Also, the "Z" episode was sponsored by Mercedes. The BBC show is not commercial. It's hard to believe that a "Top Gear" show will be honest if their survival depends on the cars they are supposed to review.

In terms of the last episode, they did say that the Z is one of the best drift cars in the world. That doesn't impress me, but it is reasonably positive. The BBC guys don't hate the Z. They like to pick in Nissan by calling them Datsun. I kinda like that. My 240Z was a Datsun. Take a look at the Top Gear review of the 370. It was very positive. All they complained about was cabin noise. We all agree with that.

They did hate the 350. When they drove the 350 they were negative.

m4a1mustang · 11-30-2010, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by SeattleLion

The History channel (Discovery) show was originally sold to NBC a couple of years ago. NBC backed out presumbably when Knight Rider got crappy ratings. The current show was bought by Discovery for ten episodes. So, chances are pretty good that this show will disappear soon.

Also, the "Z" episode was sponsored by Mercedes. The BBC show is not commercial. It's hard to believe that a "Top Gear" show will be honest if their survival depends on the cars they are supposed to review.

In terms of the last episode, they did say that the Z is one of the best drift cars in the world. That doesn't impress me, but it is reasonably positive. The BBC guys don't hate the Z. They like to pick in Nissan by calling them Datsun. I kinda like that. My 240Z was a Datsun. Take a look at the Top Gear review of the 370. It was very positive. All they complained about was cabin noise. We all agree with that.

They did hate the 350. When they drove the 350 they were negative.

Except for Hammond. He loved the 350 roadster in that 350 vs. TT vs. Chrysler Crossfire episode.

ThoriumHotdog · 11-30-2010, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Lemers

If you think any of these hosts US or UK are given a car and a camera crew and come up if their own whitty humor and stunts your dead wrong. There are writers coming up with this stuff. So give credit where credit is dew and complain about that. These guys are just hosts and deliver what is given to them. If you don't like the delivery then blame the director for not pulling out a good performance.

To some extent, and I imagine much more on the UK show, the writers and hosts collaborate to come up with the dialog. I can't imagine the ego of Clarkson would allow the writers complete control over what he says when reviewing the car. Sure, the vast majority is written but some is definitely ad-libbed.

Quidproquo · 11-30-2010, 07:30 PM

Actually, Rutledge is an avid Honda fan, and is currently working on a project car and posting in some honda forum somewhere.

Top Gear — Rutledge's Project Car — History.com Videos

As far as TG UK and the 350 is concerned, back in 2002 they did a feature of all the previous Z generations and Jezza was full of praise regarding the 240z. He just said that the generations got progressively worse as they migrated to the 300zx (Z31, the Z32 was not included in the feature). He stated they were being built for the "fat" Americans and the car were becoming sofas when compared to the original 240.

Then they panned to the upcoming 350z concept car of 2002, and were very enthusiastic about its release. Unfortunately, after its release, Jezza felt let down by the car, and started making fun of it (it was designed in America, by a Indian man from England, and equipped with a lackluster French engine). He hasn't let up since even when describing the performance increase of the 370 (I think it's the French bit that gets to him).

Z Gens and 350z review:
YouTube - Top Gear - Nissan 350Z

350z vs All previous Gens:
YouTube - 300ZX Twin Turbo: Then And Now-Z Generations Battle

I'll tell you one thing... The z32 turbo's were fast back in the mid 90's, but I assure you, the one in that race was not "stock", and neither was that 260z that tied with the 350.

Super Tanooki · 11-30-2010, 08:43 PM

I have a total love-hate relationship with Top Gear. I've seen mostly all of the UK episodes, and I'm watching the US one. I feel compelled to. The production values are the highest of any car show, its the most professionally filmed and has some genuinely gold moments.

I'm clearly a fan. But I f***ing hate it at the same time.

It infuriates me how they invent these batshit crazy 'tests' and pretend (poorly) that they're actually genuinely done. Not only are they mostly pointless, but even worse, they're all lies. I was SO intrigued by the Evo's traction control with the separate 'tarmac, gravel, snow' modes. And they test it by... "racing" down a hill against some f***ing skiers. I mean, seriously?

Plus Top Gear tests are ALWAYS neck-and-neck, and there's ALWAYS some flashy, blatantly set up artsy shot, like the skiers managing to jump over the path the Evo took at the EXACT moment it passes underneath them. Sure, BBC. Sure.

That blind man. He's not blind. You can see him looking around the cabin when he gets into the Z. And I refuse to believe that a blind man could ever have done that drift parking move so precisely with a month's practice, let along a few hours - apparently having just learned to drive stick shift, too. Pull the other one, BBC.

jakoye · 11-30-2010, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by elmz

Right now it just seems awkward.

Yes, exactly. I didn't find them funny at all and it felt scripted.

jakoye · 11-30-2010, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Super Tanooki

I have a total love-hate relationship with Top Gear. I've seen mostly all of the UK episodes, and I'm watching the US one. I feel compelled to. The production values are the highest of any car show, its the most professionally filmed and has some genuinely gold moments.

I'm clearly a fan. But I f***ing hate it at the same time.

It infuriates me how they invent these batshit crazy 'tests' and pretend (poorly) that they're actually genuinely done. Not only are they mostly pointless, but even worse, they're all lies. I was SO intrigued by the Evo's traction control with the separate 'tarmac, gravel, snow' modes. And they test it by... "racing" down a hill against some f***ing skiers. I mean, seriously?

Plus Top Gear tests are ALWAYS neck-and-neck, and there's ALWAYS some flashy, blatantly set up artsy shot, like the skiers managing to jump over the path the Evo took at the EXACT moment it passes underneath them. Sure, BBC. Sure.

That blind man. He's not blind. You can see him looking around the cabin when he gets into the Z. And I refuse to believe that a blind man could ever have done that drift parking move so precisely with a month's practice, let along a few hours - apparently having just learned to drive stick shift, too. Pull the other one, BBC.

Hrrmmm... I think maybe you're taking the show a bit too seriously. I find those "challenges" funny and entertaining. You're obviously looking for a bit more of the "hard news".

I don't think Top Gear BBC is going to bend your way any time soon. They're pretty successful with the way they're going, so I doubt they'll change it.

*****EDIT*****
Oh, ok, I get it. Re-read your post and I see you were bailing on the US version of Top Gear, not the BBC one.

Alright, disregard everything I said above (which, I believe, is what everyone does by default anyways!).

One day, I'll learn how to read AND comprehend!

jakoye · 11-30-2010, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad

It's like when the U.S. started its version of "The Office". I cannot enjoy it, because the original British version was better and more intelligently written. Same thing here. It's an imitator. Coming fresh to it, it's not so bad.

Yesssssss.

Lemers · 11-30-2010, 11:10 PM

I may have seen one or two British episodes so I realy don't have any complaints about the American version.

PapoZalsa · 11-30-2010, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by SeattleLion

In terms of the last episode, they did say that the Z is one of the best drift cars in the world. That doesn't impress me, but it is reasonably positive. The BBC guys don't hate the Z. They like to pick in Nissan by calling them Datsun. I kinda like that. My 240Z was a Datsun. Take a look at the Top Gear review of the 370. It was very positive. All they complained about was cabin noise. We all agree with that.

That is the heritage of the Z and all the Nissans, like you said the 240Z was a Datsun.

samb03 · 12-01-2010, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Quidproquo

Actually, Rutledge is an avid Honda fan, and is currently working on a project car and posting in some honda forum somewhere.

Top Gear — Rutledge's Project Car — History.com Videos

As far as TG UK and the 350 is concerned, back in 2002 they did a feature of all the previous Z generations and Jezza was full of praise regarding the 240z. He just said that the generations got progressively worse as they migrated to the 300zx (Z31, the Z32 was not included in the feature). He stated they were being built for the "fat" Americans and the car were becoming sofas when compared to the original 240.

Then they panned to the upcoming 350z concept car of 2002, and were very enthusiastic about its release. Unfortunately, after its release, Jezza felt let down by the car, and started making fun of it (it was designed in America, by a Indian man from England, and equipped with a lackluster French engine). He hasn't let up since even when describing the performance increase of the 370 (I think it's the French bit that gets to him).

Z Gens and 350z review:
YouTube - Top Gear - Nissan 350Z

350z vs All previous Gens:
YouTube - 300ZX Twin Turbo: Then And Now-Z Generations Battle

I'll tell you one thing... The z32 turbo's were fast back in the mid 90's, but I assure you, the one in that race was not "stock", and neither was that 260z that tied with the 350.

After working for 3 years as a tech at Nissan dealer. I have driven a couple nissans. The old 300Z turbos (89-96) were fast. I have trouble believing the 260Z is that quick. Nissan in general is the worst manufacture I have seen for having Wednesday cars. Every once in while you take a car for a test drive and it just sets you in your seat. I drive a 01 or 02 Max that was stock that lit the tires up for a couple feet not just a chirp at 40mph. I have been in 03 manual that would scratch hitting 3rd. Most of the 300Z are ragged out and just a shadow of their former selves, or modded out pretty well. There were a couple nice ones but we didn't drive them hard or they were well enough maintained that they didn't need a test drive to diagnoise a problem.

samb03 · 12-01-2010, 01:56 AM

here is what Clarkson thought of the 370z. Not sure what they were thinking/smoking when they decided to use a dinosaur theme for this comparo

YouTube - Top Gear - BMW Z4 vs. Nissan 370Z

nicknick · 12-01-2010, 05:41 AM

I just downloaded the episode, I wish they'd put the 370 on a track and time it. I must say however that the US version of Top Gear is a lot better than the Australian version, so far.

11-30-2010, 08:23 AM	#91 (permalink)
Lemers A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Izmir, Turkey Posts: 15,371 Drives: 2012 Traverse LTZ Rep Power: 52	If you think any of these hosts US or UK are given a car and a camera crew and come up if their own whitty humor and stunts your dead wrong. There are writers coming up with this stuff. So give credit where credit is dew and complain about that. These guys are just hosts and deliver what is given to them. If you don't like the delivery then blame the director for not pulling out a good performance. __________________ 2010 Black Cherry Touring/Sport/Nav Now - 2012 Travese LTZ until I leave for Turkey

11-30-2010, 07:30 PM	#96 (permalink)
Quidproquo Base Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Morris County, NJ Posts: 69 Drives: 2007 350Z CS 6M Rep Power: 17	Actually, Rutledge is an avid Honda fan, and is currently working on a project car and posting in some honda forum somewhere. Top Gear — Rutledge's Project Car — History.com Videos As far as TG UK and the 350 is concerned, back in 2002 they did a feature of all the previous Z generations and Jezza was full of praise regarding the 240z. He just said that the generations got progressively worse as they migrated to the 300zx (Z31, the Z32 was not included in the feature). He stated they were being built for the "fat" Americans and the car were becoming sofas when compared to the original 240. Then they panned to the upcoming 350z concept car of 2002, and were very enthusiastic about its release. Unfortunately, after its release, Jezza felt let down by the car, and started making fun of it (it was designed in America, by a Indian man from England, and equipped with a lackluster French engine). He hasn't let up since even when describing the performance increase of the 370 (I think it's the French bit that gets to him). Z Gens and 350z review: YouTube - Top Gear - Nissan 350Z 350z vs All previous Gens: YouTube - 300ZX Twin Turbo: Then And Now-Z Generations Battle I'll tell you one thing... The z32 turbo's were fast back in the mid 90's, but I assure you, the one in that race was not "stock", and neither was that 260z that tied with the 350. __________________ NJZCC: www.njzclub.com Last edited by Quidproquo; 11-30-2010 at 07:34 PM.

11-30-2010, 11:10 PM	#101 (permalink)
Lemers A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Izmir, Turkey Posts: 15,371 Drives: 2012 Traverse LTZ Rep Power: 52	I may have seen one or two British episodes so I realy don't have any complaints about the American version. __________________ 2010 Black Cherry Touring/Sport/Nav Now - 2012 Travese LTZ until I leave for Turkey

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11-30-2010, 12:54 PM	#93 (permalink)
SeattleLion Base Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Seattle WA Posts: 226 Drives: '13 Mustang GT Prem. Rep Power: 234	The History channel (Discovery) show was originally sold to NBC a couple of years ago. NBC backed out presumbably when Knight Rider got crappy ratings. The current show was bought by Discovery for ten episodes. So, chances are pretty good that this show will disappear soon. Also, the "Z" episode was sponsored by Mercedes. The BBC show is not commercial. It's hard to believe that a "Top Gear" show will be honest if their survival depends on the cars they are supposed to review. In terms of the last episode, they did say that the Z is one of the best drift cars in the world. That doesn't impress me, but it is reasonably positive. The BBC guys don't hate the Z. They like to pick in Nissan by calling them Datsun. I kinda like that. My 240Z was a Datsun. Take a look at the Top Gear review of the 370. It was very positive. All they complained about was cabin noise. We all agree with that. They did hate the 350. When they drove the 350 they were negative.

11-30-2010, 08:43 PM	#97 (permalink)
Super Tanooki Base Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 217 Drives: 370Z MT Base/Spt Red Rep Power: 15	I have a total love-hate relationship with Top Gear. I've seen mostly all of the UK episodes, and I'm watching the US one. I feel compelled to. The production values are the highest of any car show, its the most professionally filmed and has some genuinely gold moments. I'm clearly a fan. But I f*ing hate it at the same time. It infuriates me how they invent these batshit crazy 'tests' and pretend (poorly) that they're actually genuinely done. Not only are they mostly pointless, but even worse, they're all lies. I was SO intrigued by the Evo's traction control with the separate 'tarmac, gravel, snow' modes. And they test it by... "racing" down a hill against some f*ing skiers. I mean, seriously? Plus Top Gear tests are ALWAYS neck-and-neck, and there's ALWAYS some flashy, blatantly set up artsy shot, like the skiers managing to jump over the path the Evo took at the EXACT moment it passes underneath them. Sure, BBC. Sure. That blind man. He's not blind. You can see him looking around the cabin when he gets into the Z. And I refuse to believe that a blind man could ever have done that drift parking move so precisely with a month's practice, let along a few hours - apparently having just learned to drive stick shift, too. Pull the other one, BBC.

12-01-2010, 01:56 AM	#104 (permalink)
samb03 Base Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: western Oklahoma Posts: 164 Drives: Black Cherry Sport Rep Power: 15	here is what Clarkson thought of the 370z. Not sure what they were thinking/smoking when they decided to use a dinosaur theme for this comparo YouTube - Top Gear - BMW Z4 vs. Nissan 370Z

12-01-2010, 05:41 AM	#105 (permalink)
nicknick Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Australia Posts: 438 Drives: Mazda mx5 2007 6sp m Rep Power: 16	I just downloaded the episode, I wish they'd put the 370 on a track and time it. I must say however that the US version of Top Gear is a lot better than the Australian version, so far.