Considering buying 370z.

optiontrader · 11-12-2010, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by GZ3

so what..its not like in those 10 years incrementally the engines have progressed. Allot of the current bmw engines arent impressive, at all! infact the ones that are note worthy are assisted by turbos...and the new M3 is now a v8which by many accounts have been reported as a drivers race. there is no bad blood at all here

"just saying"

I'll have to side with lamboworld here. As much as I love the power in the Z, those BMW powertrains, are well, just engineering wonders.

Yes, the S54 was putting out as much power back then as our Z is now, but the smoothness of that Beemer engine is awesome (like the vibes of our VQ at 5k+ rpms?

). Their M3 engine is a V8 with an 8500 rpm redline.

Yes, assisted by turbos, but I really toyed with the idea of a "stripped down" new 335i for that powerplant - it's pure awesome. No lag, just gobs and gobs of torque.

Now, the V8 turbo engines that the M5/M6 is about to get? Hopefully I'll never drive one in the next few years... temptation to sell my kids' tuition savings may get the better of me.

ImportConvert · 11-13-2010, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by GZ3

so what..its not like in those 10 years incrementally the engines have progressed. Allot of the current bmw engines arent impressive, at all! infact the ones that are note worthy are assisted by turbos...and the new M3 is now a v8which by many accounts have been reported as a drivers race. there is no bad blood at all here

"just saying"

http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezfl...bb1496d3cf.pdf
Not for a 370Z it isn't.
http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezfl...bb1496d3cf.pdf

The V8 in the new M3 weighs less than the I6 in the E46 did.

.8L and nearly 85bhp more and @15kg less than the E46 engine...
What evolution would it take to impress you?

optiontrader · 11-13-2010, 05:55 PM

But... with BMW, you get what you pay for. More refinement = more $$$.

I'll take the Z instead of the 335i and put the remainder towards landscaping and kitchen countertops for the wif!!!

lamboworld · 01-09-2011, 03:10 PM

Thanks for all of the replies. Ended up buying a 2008 135i 6MT with 22k for 27.9k. Has all of the BMW packages. Bought a $800 tune from Cobb Tuning and she pushes 355hp and 377ft/lb at the wheels.

Much faster than my E46 M3. Will get a custom tune in a few months and it should put down 375hp and 400ft/lb.

I drove a new 370Z and quite frankly was not impressed.

c41006 · 01-09-2011, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by lamboworld

Thanks for all of the replies. Ended up buying a 2008 135i 6MT with 22k for 27.9k. Has all of the BMW packages. Bought a $800 tune from Cobb Tuning and she pushes 355hp and 377ft/lb at the wheels.

Much faster than my E46 M3. Will get a custom tune in a few months and it should put down 375hp and 400ft/lb.

I drove a new 370Z and quite frankly was not impressed.

Very nice congrats on the purchase

CATCHINZZZS · 01-10-2011, 10:19 PM

I just purchased a 2010 Sport Package comin from a 335i a week ago. Its still growin on me but I like the decision and car looks great everytime I open the garage. Dont get me wrong I do miss my 335 which was faster by all means but I like the feel of the sports car. The only flaw is the road noise you hear or maybe its the factory Bridgestone bein noisy...

lamboworld · 11-08-2011, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by c41006

Very nice congrats on the purchase

Still love the 135i but also really like the look of the 370z.

However, I really bought the 135i becuase of the performance potential and the more refined ride.

I have about 6k in Tune, DP's, Wheels, Tires, Springs and Struts.

Running low 12's in the 1/4 and trapping at 117mph.

poorazn · 11-09-2011, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by lamboworld

Much faster than my E46 M3. Will get a custom tune in a few months and it should put down 375hp and 400ft/lb.
.

You like the 135 more than the M3? 135 has a ridiculously tuneable engine, but the M3 to me, stock, screams sex. However, like you said, its $$$ to maintain.

congrats on the 135. You will def incogni some fools out on the open road.

Cristobal09 · 11-09-2011, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by lamboworld

What should I know.

I am currently in an E46 M3 and it is just too damn expensive to keep up.

I used to own a 2003 350z and it had clutch and tranny problems that was common in the early year 350z.

Tell me why I should buy one or not.

Thats so funny, I just traded in my 06 m3 vert on sunday (after owning for a year and a half) and I got rid of mine for the exact same reasons, I had the SMG and the infamous cog light kept coming on and off. Plus only being able to use one type of oil that cost 17 bucks a quart got old. While you get the "rich" feeling of driving the M3, the Z is hands down a better car. Its the same power, but a fraction of the weight and minus the back seats. It outhandles the M3 too (I had a vert so I lost some of the handling that the M3 coupes had). The SMG also was terrible in traffic, it shifted so hard that my wife couldnt stand driving in it. Nothing was scarier than hitting the unlock button and not hearing that smg pump prime.

Now the M on the other hand was a tad more comfortable, unless you had the 19" rims. Im a 220lb 5 foot 9 and the seats in the Z are a tad snug while the M3's were really comfy. If you had the SMG, (when the cog light didnt come on popping out of gear on the interstate) it shifted much quicker. So in a 0-60, at least to me, it was a tad quicker....but totally not worth the trouble. The Nissan doesnt have vanos issues, smg issues, rear subframe tearing.....now if you asked this same question over on m3forums.net they would tell you that the Z was a "boy racer" car and to get something with class...im not sure what a boy racer is since these cars can cost up to 40 grand new. I can tell you this much, get the Z. Ive never been happier trading in a car before, even if I did have negative equity.

Snakes709 · 11-09-2011, 09:48 AM

dont bother with a 370z, buy a EvoX :P

UNKNOWN_370 · 11-09-2011, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

Yes, I could modify the Z, but I would like to maintain my warranty. I want a full warranty and re-sale.

Yes, I see what is going on on the 'vette forum as well.

Why don't you just stay on the corvette forums??? You have the onliest automotive identity crisis. One minute all you do is spew out every flaw and negative thought you have on the Z. Then you make threads saying you are about to buy one because...
Dude get a grip. The Z is no vette in power but kills it in handling when talking street performance. The vetter is a track car. The vette has poor build quality and costs twice the price. And if you are an enthusiast? Your warranty is a secondary thought. You don't want to mod a Z for more power??? FINE don't buy one. But stop trying to convince us it is not worth modding or is an inferior car due to your lack, there of. The corvette has an impressive engine and that's where it ends. After that the vette needs work too. GM'S axles break under heavy use, gaskets blow left and right under heavy use. Chassis durability sux. Build quality is econo class on a 60k car and you can sell the phrase "affordable supercar" all day long but its still a cheaply built american wannabe supercar. the Z may need turbos and coolers but the vette needs a suspension, new axle and differential a completely new interior and RATTLE-REPELLANT. The vette rattles more than an ARIZONA SNAKE-PIT.

JUST KEEPING IT REAL, I still think vettes are "Generally" cool. But vettes need a lot of work too. At 32k, the Z still has no competitor. And you wanna get technical about the Z being slower than mustangs. But think about it. 12.8 quarters on the stang. 13.1 on the Z. One is a 5litre v8, the other 3.7 v6. Hmmmm 13.1 is wayyyy more impressive. I've been next to 5.0's on real world pavement. They aren't faster in that situation. That's one thing that's never discussed here. The performance on pavement is still way superior. That's where u begin to compare BMW, the king of pavement cars and the 370z, puts a dent in that one too.
On the track, the Z is not as race ready as a vette or mustang, but it still holds its own. And the evo... fun car, but is sitting in the rattle pit with the vette. Its an awwd as well so its even less of a car to compare. Its designed for a whole different type of fun.
You don't choose EVO's over Z's. You try to own both for a different driving experience. But the evo still can't be a Z in the build quality department.

Red__Zed · 11-09-2011, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Why don't you just stay on the corvette forums??? You have the onliest automotive identity crisis. One minute all you do is spew out every flaw and negative thought you have on the Z. Then you make threads saying you are about to buy one because...
Dude get a grip. The Z is no vette in power but kills it in handling when talking street performance. The vetter is a track car. The vette has poor build quality and costs twice the price. And if you are an enthusiast? Your warranty is a secondary thought. You don't want to mod a Z for more power??? FINE don't buy one. But stop trying to convince us it is not worth modding or is an inferior car due to your lack, there of. The corvette has an impressive engine and that's where it ends. After that the vette needs work too. GM'S axles break under heavy use, gaskets blow left and right under heavy use. Chassis durability sux. Build quality is econo class on a 60k car and you can sell the phrase "affordable supercar" all day long but its still a cheaply built american wannabe supercar. the Z may need turbos and coolers but the vette needs a suspension, new axle and differential a completely new interior and RATTLE-REPELLANT. The vette rattles more than an ARIZONA SNAKE-PIT.

JUST KEEPING IT REAL, I still think vettes are "Generally" cool. But vettes need a lot of work too. At 32k, the Z still has no competitor. And you wanna get technical about the Z being slower than mustangs. But think about it. 12.8 quarters on the stang. 13.1 on the Z. One is a 5litre v8, the other 3.7 v6. Hmmmm 13.1 is wayyyy more impressive. I've been next to 5.0's on real world pavement. They aren't faster in that situation. That's one thing that's never discussed here. The performance on pavement is still way superior. That's where u begin to compare BMW, the king of pavement cars and the 370z, puts a dent in that one too.
On the track, the Z is not as race ready as a vette or mustang, but it still holds its own. And the evo... fun car, but is sitting in the rattle pit with the vette. Its an awwd as well so its even less of a car to compare. Its designed for a whole different type of fun.
You don't choose EVO's over Z's. You try to own both for a different driving experience. But the evo still can't be a Z in the build quality department.

UNKNOWN_370 · 11-09-2011, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by chuckd05

Import, Ive read over all your threads, some redundant and all they do is pick apart the apparent " flaws " of this car that a few forum members post about. You stir the pot and act like you know about the car.

Your trans am is also a disgusting car IMO and I wouldn't take it for free. The fact the clutch felt better to you is prob because it was YOUR car and its what YOU are used to, just like we like the 370z stuff.

IMO you come on here acting like a know it all and I really never get like this but you and your threads/posts just rub me the wrong way. Its amazing that you consider this car at all because almost every thread and post you make you put ur trans am on a pedestal and act like its better than the Z ...

I will guarantee put a pro driver in the 370 and in your trans am and the Z will absolutely demolish the trans am around a road coarse ... Of coarse if you throw cams + bolt ons to a big v8 it will make power but with that power do you get anything else ?

On another note my car has a intakes, test pipes , exhaust , a tune, OIL COOLER , springs, etc and my car was just in for warranty work and they actually complimented me for getting an oil cooler. Nissan is well aware the motor runs hot and will not void your warranty for it. If you blow a hose off your cooler, leak all your oil and continue to beat the piss out of you car, yea it can get voided, IF they know that happened. Thats about it.

The Z will also beat every single SRT 8 out in the 1/4 stock IF driven correctly and be right there with SS's and GT's. And lets not forget the Z came out first BEFORE the 5.0, it laughs at 09 GT's by a significant margain in every aspect imaginable. Some test only show the 5.0 13.1-13.0 but I do agree they are faster/more capable 1/4 mile cars ... When I ran my 12.9 there was a camaro SS with Long Tubes and a flash and he did no better than 13.0 in his Auto...

Jnaut went 12.3 with bolt ons and a good launch... how many SS camaros run 12.3 ? Not as many as you think. The Z will run circles around the z4 and regular caymen, caymen S is a fine machine but way more money and is worthy of its price tag.

But out of all those cars I still take the Z ...

also MANY corvette guys have driven Z's and actually had more "fun" in the Z ... straight line acceleration is just one aspect of a car. The car handles phenomenal, I drive the e92 m3 when ever I can get my buddy to swap our cars for a few hours and our car is 85% of that car, and dare I say this because there will be nay sayers, but on a private road by us , me and him went at it several times, once to a VERY high speed and EVERY SINGLE TIME the outcome was within a few feet of each other either way. 6m e92 M3 ... and that car is used as a benchmark for track beasts and my buddy litteraly sweats that my Z feels as good as it does. The Z is absolutely no slouch and out of all those cars looks as nice as any of them except the M ...

THE GOSPEL HAS BEEN SPOKEN! U MY FRIEND ARE BEING REPPED!

370Zsteve · 11-09-2011, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by lamboworld

Thanks for all of the replies. Ended up buying a 2008 135i 6MT with 22k for 27.9k. Has all of the BMW packages. Bought a $800 tune from Cobb Tuning and she pushes 355hp and 377ft/lb at the wheels.

Much faster than my E46 M3. Will get a custom tune in a few months and it should put down 375hp and 400ft/lb.

I drove a new 370Z and quite frankly was not impressed.

Post dyno charts pleeze.

This I gotta see.

Edit: eh, just noticed this post is from January...

phelan · 11-09-2011, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

you are my hero for using an arsene wenger picture in a non-soccer related thread.

11-13-2010, 05:55 PM	#78 (permalink)
optiontrader Track Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Smog Hell, SoCal Posts: 595 Drives: 40th Rep Power: 16	But... with BMW, you get what you pay for. More refinement = more $$$. I'll take the Z instead of the 335i and put the remainder towards landscaping and kitchen countertops for the wif!!! __________________ 40th Anniversary Z - 3M Paint Protection Film, CA Legal Tint! (70/40)

11-09-2011, 09:48 AM	#85 (permalink)
Snakes709 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Edmonton Posts: 1,205 Drives: 2011 Evo-X GSR Rep Power: 18	dont bother with a 370z, buy a EvoX :P __________________ 2011 Evo-GSR AMS 2.4 stroker/ bore, FP Black build in progress. Sponsor: DSG Performance

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lamboworld Base Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: NC Posts: 15 Drives: 2009 BMW Z4 35i DCT Rep Power: 15	Thanks for all of the replies. Ended up buying a 2008 135i 6MT with 22k for 27.9k. Has all of the BMW packages. Bought a $800 tune from Cobb Tuning and she pushes 355hp and 377ft/lb at the wheels. Much faster than my E46 M3. Will get a custom tune in a few months and it should put down 375hp and 400ft/lb. I drove a new 370Z and quite frankly was not impressed.

01-10-2011, 10:19 PM	#81 (permalink)
CATCHINZZZS Base Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: NYC Posts: 221 Drives: 2010 370Z Rep Power: 14	I just purchased a 2010 Sport Package comin from a 335i a week ago. Its still growin on me but I like the decision and car looks great everytime I open the garage. Dont get me wrong I do miss my 335 which was faster by all means but I like the feel of the sports car. The only flaw is the road noise you hear or maybe its the factory Bridgestone bein noisy...