The new Camaros!

Outrun

Here are some others:


Road and track:
2010 Chevrolet Camaro - First Test of Chevrolet's all-new 2010 Camaro - Motor Trend

Car and driver:
2010 Chevrolet Camaro SS V8 - Short Take Road Test/Corvette/Camaro Corner/High Performance/Hot Lists/Reviews/Car and Driver - Car And Driver

Popular Mechanics:
2010 Chevrolet Camaro SS Test Drive: Does the Reborn Ponycar Live Up to Its Name? - Popular Mechanics

The list goes on...they all put up the same #'s for the camaro.

frost

Looks great from the outside, they took the retro design and did it better than challenger or mustang imho, but jesus christ, how many times do buyers have to ask for it:
MAKE IT SMALLER/LIGHTER STUPID!

And again, interior = horrible amount of plastic. Embarrassing.

MutantChicken

Funny, I came here because I was directed through a Camaro forum... I ended up joining this site because I thought you were a bunch of level headed people.... personally I think both cars are great... and very close performace wise. The Camaro will take it in the straights, no doubt, and this version handles better than any other ever put out, lord knows it will handle better than my '67 Fbody !!!!! And on the flip-side, the Z will show the Camaro who is boss in the twisties, it's smaller, lighter, it's what it is made for !

They have very similar numbers in 0-60 and 60-0, too close in fact ! The Camaro does with brute force what the Z does with finess . It's kind of like comparing apples and oranges, but they perform so closely it makes you want to compare them any way.

My wife has already ordered her Camaro, she just had to have one, we ordered it on the first possible day ( Oct. 13th by the way ), and I will drive it and enjoy every second of it. But I have always wanted a Z, so if things work out the way they are supposed to, I will be getting my Z right after she takes delivery of her Camaro......

Then we shall see....

Apples or Oranges ?

Robert_Nash

I've owned several F-bodies.

Frankly, I'm finding the numbers the Camaro SS is putting down somewhat disappointing; especially the handling.

Don't misunderstand; its numbers aren't bad and in fact they are good but with 426HP and five years to develop the car; I expected more.

I think it's a great car and will be a hell of a lot fun to drive but for my money, I think I'd buy a one or two year old "Vette.

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frost

I definitely think it's apples and oranges (although that wouldn't stop me from throwing my .02 in anyway). The camaro is great for what it is, a decently priced muscle car where refinements like interior comes in second place for performance and the aforementioned lower price. The people here who are into Z's are a different breed. Wanting a solid performer, sure, but also concerned with a higher quality ride and interior. And eff it, we are willing to give up some HP for the higher quality.

frost

I've owned several f-bods and several vettes as well, but I'm afraid they will lose my business this time around. As someone who as owned so many GM performance vehicles, I wanted to love the new camaro, but (as I mentioned above) I've hit a point in my life where straight line performance is cool, but a quick, comfortable, traffic carver with nice interior refinements is a little more attractive.

frost

While I'm the first person to say I wish the 370 had been a 350+hp car, how do you mean the numbers are disappointing? When I heard the HP, I was expecting it to run 13.5-13.6. The 4th gen f-bods they killed off in 02 weighed 3,411lbs, had about 325 hp, and ran 13.6 in the mags.
So, the Z weighs around 200lbs less and runs .1 - .2 seconds quicker in the quarter mile? Makes sense, and everyone should have expected these QM times.

(Sorry to be one of those guys who post several posts in a row, I keep thinking I'm done responding and I'm not! )

Outrun

I'm confused in the bolded part of your question. The Z isn't quicker than the SS.


Disappointing to me as I thought it was going to beat a much heavier car in 0-60 and quarter mile times.

frost

Again, I am referring to the 4th gens, of which the Z is indeed quicker. My post was to comment in the similar weight, HP, and QM times of the 4th gen versus the 370, and how we could have all predicted how fast the 370 was going to be once we knew the HP, simply because it was so similar to the 4th gen.

Pushing_Tin

Here's an interesting review from about.com, haven't seen it posted yet.

2010 Chevrolet Camaro Coupe - Test drive and new car review - 2010 Chevrolet Camaro Coupe

What about handling? The Camaro certainly grips the road well, but it goes through the corners with a slightly disconnected feel, as if the chassis isn't 100% fluent in whatever language the steering wheel is speaking. V8 models have a stiffer suspension (plus huge brakes) and drive a bit better, and both versions ride comfortably. But the Camaro's width -- exaggerated by the slit-shaped windshield and broad hood -- is intimidating on narrow roads. Chevy wants the Camaro to take on proper sports cars like the Nissan 370Z, and while the Camaro delivers a 426 hp V8 for about the same price ($30,995) as the Z's 330 hp V6, there's more to a sports car than power. The Camaro just isn't in the same league.

frost

^ very interesting mate. In motortrend, they were comparing the camaro, challenger, and new stang gt, and the stang actually outperformed the other two in the skidpad.
.95 for mustang
.90 for camaro
.82 for challenger

Robert_Nash

What did you do; look around for the worst numbers you could find for the 370???

Motortrend has reported:
For the 370Z...
0-60 in 4.7 sec.
1/4 in 13.3 @ 105.7
Lat Acel: 0.99g

and For the Camaro SS...
0-60 in 4.7 sec.
1/4 in 13.0 @ 111
Lat Acel: 0.90g

2009 Nissan 370Z - Specs and Test Data - First Test - Motor Trend

2010 Chevrolet Camaro SS vs 2009 Dodge Challenger R/T vs 2010 Ford Mustang GT - Specs and Road Test Data - Motor Trend

Not to take magazine comparisons too far but it seems pretty clear that in anything other than a straight line, the Z wins against the Bow-Tie and even in a straight line, the difference is rather small which is really a bit odd given the decided weight/HP advantage the Camaro holds over the 370.

Obviously, despite some obvious similarities, these are two different cars aimed, for the most part, at two different market segments so in that sense, it really doesn't matter how they stack up to each other.

That said, the 370Z holds its own against many, many other performance vehicles including the new Camaro SS and including some costing significantly more than the Z.

As I said earlier, the Camaro SS' horsepower is impressive and its numbers are certainly respectable; but I expected more.

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frost

^ironically, the 1/4 time is closer between the Z and the camaro than the camaro and challenger.

And yet, they bash the Z's power.

Robert_Nash

Maybe the Challenger just isn't getting its HP to the ground as well as it should???

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frost

^ Well, the challenger is 300lbs heavier than the camaro, and comes with the skinniest tires of the group. It's also BY FAR the worst handler with an embarrassing .82 on the skidpad.