The new Camaros!

Asheth · 03-21-2009, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by MC@MYGTR

edmunds just tested the camaro 13.0 @ 110 in the 1/4

Predictably, one of the Camaro's obvious rivals, the big-'n-brawny Dodge Challenger R/T can't keep pace. It takes 5.5 seconds for the Mopar to reach 60 mph (5.3 with 1 foot of rollout) and 13.9 seconds to reach the quarter-mile, at which point it's steaming along at 103.2 mph. In fact, the Camaro SS is slightly quicker in both measures than the similarly powered Challenger SRT8. The 2010 Mustang makes up for much of its 111-hp power deficit with about a 500-pound weight advantage on the hefty Camaro. The Mustang with a Track Pack will do zero to 60 mph in 5.2 seconds (4.9 with rollout) and get through the quarter-mile in 13.5 seconds at 102.9 mph. The Camaro is quicker through the quarter by half-a-second than the Nissan 370Z, which Chevy also considers a Camaro competitor

Yes now it is officially a competition now. All the other "Muscle Cars" didn't perform so well outside of the Mustang IMO. Now was is good that most Z owners should feel good about I think is that it shows Nissan's superior Engineering!! It takes chevy to drop in the base Corvette engine. They talk all they want about there V6 but "Hello McFly" the Z is a V6 that is leaps and bounds better than there V6 and the Z is so close to the performance of the top of the line Camaro that when Direct-Injection is added or the Nismo Version arrives the Z will be back on top of the performance numbers game, the Camaro already has Direct-Injection bTW. But with those numbers it is a drivers race anyway. I for one am extremely proud of what Nissan accomplished with the 370z and someone who cross shops these 2 cars will probably decide on necessity of a backseat and interior quality.

If someone is cross-shopping these 2 vehicles then the argument of a backseat should be settled as soon as the Z entered into the equation because

My opinion:
Exterior is subjective:

Interior is not Z wins hands down

Performance depends on how much rubber you like burning and big V-8 growl verses great handling. From a technical aspect the Z wins.

MC this is not directed at you at all. Just my rant on the topic

Educ8r · 03-21-2009, 06:44 PM

"With the Camaro, GM has chosen to stick with the muscle car archetype rather than push the limits of what's possible, it's not likely to win many conquests from more adept sportscars like the 370Z, Audi TT and BMW 3-series as Chevy hopes it will."

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tvfreakazoid · 03-23-2009, 05:29 AM

Damn $90 per HP that's too much.

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Originally Posted by Educ8r

"With the Camaro, GM has chosen to stick with the muscle car archetype rather than push the limits of what's possible, it's not likely to win many conquests from more adept sportscars like the 370Z, Audi TT and BMW 3-series as Chevy hopes it will."

Source

tvfreakazoid · 03-23-2009, 05:46 AM

But it only takes a couple of thousands to make the muscle car go faster where as the imports take at least double or triple to equal the muscle cars. That's one of the things I dont like about the imports. Takes to much just to get a few HP's.

tvfreakazoid · 03-23-2009, 04:19 PM

a shot out between stang, camaro, and challenger
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...hotopanel..1.*

This link tests all the camaro's options
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/..._gt/index.html

So what do you guys think?
I thought it was pretty impressive numbers for a heavy car.

frost · 03-23-2009, 04:21 PM

The lsx engines do net lots of gains very easily, but it's still a much heavier car. So a 10hp increase in a Z will do more than 10 hp in a camaro, fwiw.

Endgame · 03-23-2009, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by tvfreakazoid

But it only takes a couple of thousands to make the muscle car go faster where as the imports take at least double or triple to equal the muscle cars. That's one of the things I dont like about the imports. Takes to much just to get a few HP's.

Disagree with you there. Look at the gains on the Z with Catback and HFC's. 30+ HP!?!?! That is as good if not better than V8's. Oh, BTW that is about $2k in cost. Maybe a little more than the V8's, but darn close...

Endgame · 03-23-2009, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by tvfreakazoid

a shot out between stang, camaro, and challenger
2010 Chevrolet Camaro SS vs. 2009 Dodge Challenger R/T vs. 2010 Ford Mustang GT

This link tests all the camaro's options
2010 Chevrolet Camaro SS vs. 2009 Dodge Challenger R/T vs. 2010 Ford Mustang GT - Motor Trend

So what do you guys think?
I thought it was pretty impressive numbers for a heavy car.

No.. the GTR has impressive numbers for a heavy car!! I KNOW I KNOW.. it cost how much??!?! I just had to say it...

jakoye · 03-23-2009, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by tvfreakazoid

Damn $90 per HP that's too much.

It is, if that's your only basis for comparison.

But the Z is not about just horsepower, as some of its competitors seem to be. The Z's major advantage is superior handling and lighter weight. Less horsepower than most of the other "sports cars" in this price segment, but you know that the power it does have is still going to be usable when the road stops going straight.

The Camaro is a good competitor though, as I've said before. I think it's probably the best competitor to the Z among all these cars. I still think it's a Z for me, because I'd rather have handling than just pure power, but YMMV.

Endgame · 03-23-2009, 08:44 PM

^^ werd.

BanningZ · 03-23-2009, 08:49 PM

The new Camaro

Too heavy, too blocky, poor interior, speculated to have an extremely poor resale value. BUT it does have backseats and halos which appeal to some...but not me.

Outrun · 03-23-2009, 10:35 PM

The 370Z puts up disappointing numbers:

0-60 in 5.2 seconds
1/4 mile: 13.5 @ 103.7 mph

The Camaro SS numbers:

0-60 in 5.0 seconds
1/4 mile: 13.0 @ 110.9 mph
2010 Chevrolet Camaro SS vs. 2009 Dodge Challenger R/T vs. 2010 Ford Mustang GT

These vids are both from edmunds.

The interior of the new camaro hits the mark. The console and gauges are very nice, and maintains the "retro" look.

Outrun · 03-23-2009, 10:38 PM

Great my vid doesn't work as youtube is performing site maintenance.

AndreZ Cadena · 03-23-2009, 11:25 PM

I like the transformers movie

BanningZ · 03-23-2009, 11:50 PM

I never trust edmunds.

03-21-2009, 06:44 PM	#47 (permalink)
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tvfreakazoid A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: kommie kali Posts: 1,238 Drives: 2015 Audi S5; 6spd. Rep Power: 10324	But it only takes a couple of thousands to make the muscle car go faster where as the imports take at least double or triple to equal the muscle cars. That's one of the things I dont like about the imports. Takes to much just to get a few HP's. __________________ Mudders milk

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tvfreakazoid A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: kommie kali Posts: 1,238 Drives: 2015 Audi S5; 6spd. Rep Power: 10324	a shot out between stang, camaro, and challenger http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...hotopanel..1.* This link tests all the camaro's options http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/..._gt/index.html So what do you guys think? I thought it was pretty impressive numbers for a heavy car. __________________ Mudders milk Last edited by tvfreakazoid; 03-23-2009 at 04:24 PM.

03-23-2009, 08:49 PM	#56 (permalink)
BanningZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: nowhere Posts: 5,478 Drives: 06' Nismo Frontier Rep Power: 29	The new Camaro Too heavy, too blocky, poor interior, speculated to have an extremely poor resale value. BUT it does have backseats and halos which appeal to some...but not me. __________________ Become a Premium Member: Click HERE MB 06' Nismo VQ40DE

03-23-2009, 10:35 PM	#57 (permalink)
Outrun Base Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: WI Posts: 53 Drives: A blue one Rep Power: 16	The 370Z puts up disappointing numbers: 0-60 in 5.2 seconds 1/4 mile: 13.5 @ 103.7 mph The Camaro SS numbers: 0-60 in 5.0 seconds 1/4 mile: 13.0 @ 110.9 mph 2010 Chevrolet Camaro SS vs. 2009 Dodge Challenger R/T vs. 2010 Ford Mustang GT These vids are both from edmunds. The interior of the new camaro hits the mark. The console and gauges are very nice, and maintains the "retro" look. Last edited by Outrun; 03-23-2009 at 11:08 PM.

03-23-2009, 04:21 PM	#51 (permalink)
frost Retired admin Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Winterfell Posts: 106,613 Drives: Your Wife Crazy Rep Power: 0	The lsx engines do net lots of gains very easily, but it's still a much heavier car. So a 10hp increase in a Z will do more than 10 hp in a camaro, fwiw.

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Endgame A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Phoenix Posts: 1,613 Drives: Nothing Now! Rep Power: 224	^^ werd.

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