The new Camaros!

MightyBobo · 03-26-2009, 11:30 AM

I love Camaro's and I even have a GM discount, and yet, here I just got my 370 lol. Sad truth is, other than the Corvette, GM has nothing to offer me for a track superstar. And I wont lie, I love the 370's styling, so...I was ready to try something new.

The new Camaro looks hot. Its got balls. But its also got a lot of extra baggage that needs to go. Oh, what many in the GM performance world would have given to see a stripper version, as light as possible...even if they could get it down to 3500-3600 it would have been significantly better than 3900+...

frost · 03-26-2009, 09:44 PM

^ to add some more info to that, Z28 has been the top dog in the past. The Z28 was born because they needed a race car to enter SCCA. So It started out that the Z28 was the race car, and the SS was the mainstream car. I believe with the 1996+ cars they switched it so that SS was top dog.

So then (on the current model) they had the choice os using SS or z28 (no plans to do both in the close future), and they went with SS since it was a badge all chevy shoppers recognize.

Endgame · 03-26-2009, 10:00 PM

Actually, GM had planned to do the Z28 to battle the likes of the GT500. However, it was going to cost something like 50mm to complete all R&D and get the car out. GM did not think it prudent to be seen building such a car as this during their financial condition.

Both cars, SS and Z28, would have been sold just as the GT and GT500 are both sold.

TV - The Stangs do have the same engine from last year, but they have the 'Bullitt' tune meaning they have more power than last model year's GT. I have not heard they are lighter however; they still weigh in at about 3500 pounds with the GT500 weighing in at 3800+.

frost · 03-26-2009, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Endgame

Actually, GM had planned to do the Z28 to battle the likes of the GT500.

I'm still pretty sure they originally brought it out for the SCAA races. The first two years the z28 was out, they didn't even advertise it or produce any literature on it. They only sold something like, 200.

Edit:
But that's neither here nor there, moral of the story is that Z28 used to be the top model.

Crash · 03-26-2009, 10:46 PM

I have no idea what you're all talking about. The SS is still the top dog. The Z28 comes with a 6.0L LS2 and the SS comes with the 6.2L LS3.

The SS has been the top package since the LT1s. There wasn't an SS 3rd-gen as far as I know. For Camaros there were the following packages: Base, IROC-Z, Z28, RS, Pace Car, Indy Car and I think that's it.

The First and Second gen Camaros had an SS package.

MightyBobo · 03-26-2009, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Crash

I have no idea what you're all talking about. The SS is still the top dog. The Z28 comes with a 6.0L LS2 and the SS comes with the 6.2L LS3.

The SS has been the top package since the LT1s. There wasn't an SS 3rd-gen as far as I know. For Camaros there were the following packages: Base, IROC-Z, Z28, RS, Pace Car, Indy Car and I think that's it.

The First and Second gen Camaros had an SS package.

The LS2 wont be used - its been phased out and replaced w/ the LS3, so that wont be happening at all...

And just because the SS was the top package for 4th Gens, doesn;t mean that it'll stay that way

. I wouldnt be surprised if they go back to their roots and make a high-spinning, high-power 5.3L for the Z28 - that'd be bitchin...but probably not. It will more than likely just be the 6.2L LS3, but with some suspension/exhaust mods.

Crash · 03-27-2009, 08:01 PM

Well, you're right about the LS2 being fazed out, but according to the following, there won't be a Z28, just the 1SS and 2SS:

2010 Chevrolet Camaro 1SS 2dr Coupe Trim Comparisons
2010 Chevrolet Camaro Options - 2010 Chevy Camaro Packages - Motor Trend Magazine
2010 Chevrolet Camaro Fuel Economy Figures and Option Packages Released - Car News/Corvette/Camaro Corner/High Performance/Hot Lists/Reviews/Car and Driver - Car And Driver

I'm not quite sure where I saw the LS2 info though. May have been something I thought I saw. However, according to this:
http://krang.superchevy.com/features...ifications.pdf
There doesn't seem to be a Z28 package at all. It MAY happen, though with a big increase in HP (and hopefully better handling if GM gets their heads out of their @sses) as already mentioned.

Robert_Nash · 03-27-2009, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Crash

Well, you're right about the LS2 being fazed out, but according to the following, there won't be a Z28, just the 1SS and 2SS:

2010 Chevrolet Camaro 1SS 2dr Coupe Trim Comparisons
2010 Chevrolet Camaro Options - 2010 Chevy Camaro Packages - Motor Trend Magazine
2010 Chevrolet Camaro Fuel Economy Figures and Option Packages Released - Car News/Corvette/Camaro Corner/High Performance/Hot Lists/Reviews/Car and Driver - Car And Driver

I'm not quite sure where I saw the LS2 info though. May have been something I thought I saw. However, according to this:
http://krang.superchevy.com/features...ifications.pdf
There doesn't seem to be a Z28 package at all. It MAY happen, though with a big increase in HP (and hopefully better handling if GM gets their heads out of their @sses) as already mentioned.

There isn't one yet but it wasn't planned to be here immediately; it's supposed to come later.

MightyBobo · 03-26-2009, 11:06 PM

The Z28 and the 302 used in it came to bout because of the SCCA requirements of having an engine that much displacement and no more I believe. So, the 350's couldn't be used specifically BECAUSE of displacement.

Endgame · 03-27-2009, 09:15 AM

Actually, they were looking to use a supercharged version of some engine.. I can't remember if it was the same engine in the new Camero with a blower or what... But, it was suppose to push about 575 HP. This would be the new top dog Camaro. I think you can find it on worldcarfans.... I will see if I can find it...

Edit: Here is the link. I was off on the HP. Looks like they planned to use the CTSV's supercharged engine.

http://www.worldcarfans.com/9090218....bility-returns

MightyBobo · 03-27-2009, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Endgame

Actually, they were looking to use a supercharged version of some engine.. I can't remember if it was the same engine in the new Camero with a blower or what... But, it was suppose to push about 575 HP. This would be the new top dog Camaro. I think you can find it on worldcarfans.... I will see if I can find it...

Edit: Here is the link. I was off on the HP. Looks like they planned to use the CTSV's supercharged engine.

Chevy Camaro Z/28 to be Reborn - after GM financial stability returns - Worldcarfans

Correct. Which is just a slightly modified LS9.

Basically, that translates to: it'll be stupid easy to make LS9 or higher horsepower with it.

Endgame · 03-27-2009, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo

Correct. Which is just a slightly modified LS9.

Basically, that translates to: it'll be stupid easy to make LS9 or higher horsepower with it.

IF GM gets out of their mess and makes it!!!

280z/300zx · 03-27-2009, 10:51 AM

I thought for the Z28 Chevy was using the L99 or whatever the motor is thats in the Vette ZR-1?

MightyBobo · 03-27-2009, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by 280z/300zx

I thought for the Z28 Chevy was using the L99 or whatever the motor is thats in the Vette ZR-1?

That is the LS9. Supercharged 6.2L.

The CTS-V is using a slightly modified LS9, called the LSA - which is interesting as it is...

*EDIT* Straight from wikipedia:

The supercharged 6.2 L LSA is similar to the LS9 and scheduled to debut in the 2009 Cadillac CTS-V. The LSA has been SAE certified at 556 hp (415 kW) @ 6100rpm and 551 lb·ft (747 N·m) of torque @ 3800rpm. GM labels it "the most powerful ever offered in Cadillac’s nearly 106-year history". The LSA features a smaller 1.9 L capacity supercharger rather than the 2.3 L variant of the LS9. Other differences include a slightly lower 9.0:1 compression ratio, single unit heat exchanger and cast pistons.

Gah...cast pistons. So to reep the full benefits, you'd need to swap the bottom end and swap the blower. Bam, you have an instant LS9 for the most part...

Lug · 03-27-2009, 02:26 PM

..invokes Godwin's Law

Chevy prefers SS because they like Hitler!

03-26-2009, 11:30 AM	#1 (permalink)
MightyBobo A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 8,465 Drives: No cars; only bikes Rep Power: 53	I love Camaro's and I even have a GM discount, and yet, here I just got my 370 lol. Sad truth is, other than the Corvette, GM has nothing to offer me for a track superstar. And I wont lie, I love the 370's styling, so...I was ready to try something new. The new Camaro looks hot. Its got balls. But its also got a lot of extra baggage that needs to go. Oh, what many in the GM performance world would have given to see a stripper version, as light as possible...even if they could get it down to 3500-3600 it would have been significantly better than 3900+... __________________ I don't own a car anymore.

03-26-2009, 09:44 PM	#2 (permalink)
frost Retired admin Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Winterfell Posts: 106,613 Drives: Your Wife Crazy Rep Power: 0	^ to add some more info to that, Z28 has been the top dog in the past. The Z28 was born because they needed a race car to enter SCCA. So It started out that the Z28 was the race car, and the SS was the mainstream car. I believe with the 1996+ cars they switched it so that SS was top dog. So then (on the current model) they had the choice os using SS or z28 (no plans to do both in the close future), and they went with SS since it was a badge all chevy shoppers recognize. Last edited by frost; 03-26-2009 at 09:49 PM.

03-26-2009, 10:46 PM	#5 (permalink)
Crash A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,853 Drives: 02 Corvette Z06 Rep Power: 590	I have no idea what you're all talking about. The SS is still the top dog. The Z28 comes with a 6.0L LS2 and the SS comes with the 6.2L LS3. The SS has been the top package since the LT1s. There wasn't an SS 3rd-gen as far as I know. For Camaros there were the following packages: Base, IROC-Z, Z28, RS, Pace Car, Indy Car and I think that's it. The First and Second gen Camaros had an SS package. __________________ 2002 Corvette Z06 - Totaled 2003 Corvette Z06 50th Anniversary

03-27-2009, 08:01 PM	#7 (permalink)
Crash A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,853 Drives: 02 Corvette Z06 Rep Power: 590	Well, you're right about the LS2 being fazed out, but according to the following, there won't be a Z28, just the 1SS and 2SS: 2010 Chevrolet Camaro 1SS 2dr Coupe Trim Comparisons 2010 Chevrolet Camaro Options - 2010 Chevy Camaro Packages - Motor Trend Magazine 2010 Chevrolet Camaro Fuel Economy Figures and Option Packages Released - Car News/Corvette/Camaro Corner/High Performance/Hot Lists/Reviews/Car and Driver - Car And Driver I'm not quite sure where I saw the LS2 info though. May have been something I thought I saw. However, according to this: http://krang.superchevy.com/features...ifications.pdf There doesn't seem to be a Z28 package at all. It MAY happen, though with a big increase in HP (and hopefully better handling if GM gets their heads out of their @sses) as already mentioned. __________________ 2002 Corvette Z06 - Totaled 2003 Corvette Z06 50th Anniversary

03-26-2009, 11:06 PM	#9 (permalink)
MightyBobo A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 8,465 Drives: No cars; only bikes Rep Power: 53	The Z28 and the 302 used in it came to bout because of the SCCA requirements of having an engine that much displacement and no more I believe. So, the 350's couldn't be used specifically BECAUSE of displacement. __________________ I don't own a car anymore.

03-26-2009, 10:00 PM	#3 (permalink)
Endgame A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Phoenix Posts: 1,613 Drives: Nothing Now! Rep Power: 224	Actually, GM had planned to do the Z28 to battle the likes of the GT500. However, it was going to cost something like 50mm to complete all R&D and get the car out. GM did not think it prudent to be seen building such a car as this during their financial condition. Both cars, SS and Z28, would have been sold just as the GT and GT500 are both sold. TV - The Stangs do have the same engine from last year, but they have the 'Bullitt' tune meaning they have more power than last model year's GT. I have not heard they are lighter however; they still weigh in at about 3500 pounds with the GT500 weighing in at 3800+.

03-27-2009, 09:15 AM	#10 (permalink)
Endgame A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Phoenix Posts: 1,613 Drives: Nothing Now! Rep Power: 224	Actually, they were looking to use a supercharged version of some engine.. I can't remember if it was the same engine in the new Camero with a blower or what... But, it was suppose to push about 575 HP. This would be the new top dog Camaro. I think you can find it on worldcarfans.... I will see if I can find it... Edit: Here is the link. I was off on the HP. Looks like they planned to use the CTSV's supercharged engine. http://www.worldcarfans.com/9090218....bility-returns Last edited by Endgame; 03-27-2009 at 09:36 AM.

03-27-2009, 10:51 AM	#13 (permalink)
280z/300zx Track Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Nevada Posts: 689 Drives: 280z, 300zx, Vette Rep Power: 273	I thought for the Z28 Chevy was using the L99 or whatever the motor is thats in the Vette ZR-1?

03-27-2009, 02:26 PM	#15 (permalink)
Lug A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 1,926 Drives: 2006 350Z Rep Power: 20	..invokes Godwin's Law Chevy prefers SS because they like Hitler! __________________ keep Chubbs in your pocket - Chubbs