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optiontrader 11-05-2010 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ramZ1089 (Post 797035)
I've noticed that my shifts are smoother with SRM off also. I think it's because it takes the rpm longer to drop with SRM on. Tough decision...smoother shifts or SRM downshifting for you.

I'll need to try this as well. I love SRM on the downshifts, but if it shortens the time for that durn needle to come down to the 2nd gear engage point, I'm all for it.

I almost want to get a cup of coffee and wait for the rpms to drop while driving... :shakes head:

rmorrow 11-05-2010 05:58 PM

WOW...
I am really relieved to know that I was not imagining this. There will be times when I use SRM. Most of the time, I am going to be driving with SRM OFF. Thanks much for the feedback folks!

hadokenuh 06-07-2012 12:49 AM

Sorry to revive an old thread.

When people talk about "smooth shift", do they mean the car doesn't jerk or the shift lever just glides into gear smoothly?

I am asking because sometimes I find it hard to shift into 2nd, it even makes noise.

Thanks.

ImportConvert 06-07-2012 02:16 AM

Fastforward...SRM works great for me and I love it. I have noticed, though, that on a "slow" shift into second, it feels seamless, but the power delivery when I plant my foot back on the gas is not instantaneous. I chalk it up to throttle by wire. The 370Z is worse than most cars I have driven in this regard, but for me to whine about it would be akin to someone who uses their PC only for posting on message boards to whine about it having a dual-core processor instead of a quad-core.

RoshDawg 06-07-2012 05:07 AM

No SRM = better upshifts
SRM = better downshifts

I always keep mine on though! Until I want to heel/toe myself and completely mess up, that's when I turn it back on..

bvl 06-07-2012 05:39 AM

I have no desire to turn off VDC (SRM is fun for me, and wife would hate me if I disabled it :) ). Changing the clutch spring has restored a bit of feel in what was a very non-linear over boosted clutch prior. Its subtle, but so far I have been able to more easily modulate the catch point on shifts, and the 1/2 is far less clunky.

- b

UchinanchuZee 06-07-2012 10:19 AM

I play with both, search for threads on the matter and have decided that, srm on, vdc off= smooth ride. If you can't drive this car with the vdc off then you can't drive...point blank. If you can't control your throttle response or your traction control YOURSELF in a mild spin, then you should walk!

Not to hate, but really. This is my 7th Z (which includes a G35) and yes the 1-2 shift feels like a donkey punch, and is unlike all other MTs I've ever had. But in the end, all the electors in the world will not make up for driving knowledge. Next thing you will complain about stopping at red lights on a hill with a MT and that is the reason for getting an AT!!

If you can't drive, you can't drive. If you can't figure it out, get an old ford contour and write Z all over it.

kenchan 06-07-2012 10:23 AM

trick.. just place foot on throttle gently when engaging higher gear. no jerky.

Drex 06-07-2012 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by bvl (Post 1758339)
I have no desire to turn off VDC (SRM is fun for me, and wife would hate me if I disabled it :) ). Changing the clutch spring has restored a bit of feel in what was a very non-linear over boosted clutch prior. Its subtle, but so far I have been able to more easily modulate the catch point on shifts, and the 1/2 is far less clunky.

- b

:iagree:

lighter clutch spring helps with the 1-2 shift.

hadokenuh 06-07-2012 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by hadokenuh (Post 1758243)
Sorry to revive an old thread.

When people talk about "smooth shift", do they mean the car doesn't jerk or the shift lever just glides into gear smoothly?

I am asking because sometimes I find it hard to shift into 2nd, it even makes noise.

Thanks.

Man, lots of replies after I revived the thread. But nobody even bother to give me some help. Where is the spirit? :ugh2:

IDZRVIT 06-07-2012 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by RoshDawg (Post 1758335)
No SRM = better upshiftsSRM = better downshifts

I always keep mine on though! Until I want to heel/toe myself and completely mess up, that's when I turn it back on..

I haven't found the srm to affect upshifting whether on or off. Hmm, I must be good at upshifting even for an old guy.:tiphat:

tonybui 06-07-2012 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by IDZRVIT (Post 1758796)
I haven't found the srm to affect upshifting whether on or off. Hmm, I must be good at upshifting even for an old guy.:tiphat:

Old means more experience :tiphat:

kenchan 06-07-2012 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by hadokenuh (Post 1758795)
Man, lots of replies after I revived the thread. But nobody even bother to give me some help. Where is the spirit? :ugh2:

When people talk about "smooth shift", generally this mean the car doesn't jerk into the following gear smoothly when clutch is engaged.

if you're saying your gates are stiff, you need to get your car looked at. oil might be low, might be time to change the oil, might mean bad syncro's.

bjblackout 06-07-2012 12:05 PM

I love it on so I can hear my AAM Short Tails on downshifts. It sounds so awesome!!

kenchan 06-07-2012 01:21 PM

you'd get the same effect with a washer mod... so i heard.

tonybui 06-07-2012 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 1759017)
you'd get the same effect with a washer mod... so i heard.

You heard it alrite

twinturbonet 06-07-2012 02:13 PM

SRM - Off
VDC - Off
Clutch Spring - No. (will be buying one though!)

370Z Purist 06-07-2012 03:29 PM

I have disabled SRM as I find it rather bores the hell out of me. Might be useful at a track since I'm not good enough of a driver yet to perform rapid downshifts or upshifts during cornering. Might actually improve pro drivers times, since SRM always knows perfect shifts, where as a human, close enough to perfect as they might be, will never actually be perfect all of the time, everytime.

I have removed my clutch spring altogether and found that performing the 1-2 shift is much easier and much smoother.

hadokenuh 06-07-2012 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 1758833)
When people talk about "smooth shift", generally this mean the car doesn't jerk into the following gear smoothly when clutch is engaged.

if you're saying your gates are stiff, you need to get your car looked at. oil might be low, might be time to change the oil, might mean bad syncro's.

Thank you!

Could the clutch be a problem as well? My tranny was replaced not too long ago.

kenchan 06-07-2012 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by hadokenuh (Post 1759223)
Thank you!

Could the clutch be a problem as well? My tranny was replaced not too long ago.

nnnn, does it grind often? if not, probably not the clutch. new gearboxes are stubborn sometimes. i know both my Z and G's gearboxes had a stubborn 5th and 6th when brand new. once about 3k miles it was smoother. now the Z is near 10K miles, no issue.

Vaughanabe13 06-07-2012 09:51 PM

This is a simple issue - SRM causes the revs to hang until you put it into 2nd. So you have to clutch in and go to second quickly for the revs to start dropping, then you have to wait a few seconds for the revs to drop before you engage the clutch. If you don't wait the few seconds, your shift will be jerky. However, this is only at low RPM. When you're up in the 5.5K+ range you can pretty much shift right away without the delay.

AlphaSnacks 06-07-2012 10:00 PM

Yeah, the SRM's logic needs to recalibrated desperately by Nissan.

Compdoc777 06-07-2012 10:06 PM

I think it wastes gas rev matching I hate going in hot into a corner and that rev matching revs the hell out of the motor going into a lower gear. It is easier to drive with it off. I guess for those of us who are used to driving stick for years it is easier without it.

hadokenuh 06-07-2012 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 1759354)
nnnn, does it grind often? if not, probably not the clutch. new gearboxes are stubborn sometimes. i know both my Z and G's gearboxes had a stubborn 5th and 6th when brand new. once about 3k miles it was smoother. now the Z is near 10K miles, no issue.

I don't think it grinds. Just something like a linkage noise into 2nd gear sometimes. It's has been about 3K miles since the replacement, definitely much smoother when new. Thanks again.

AlphaSnacks 06-08-2012 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Compdoc777 (Post 1759866)
I think it wastes gas rev matching I hate going in hot into a corner and that rev matching revs the hell out of the motor going into a lower gear. It is easier to drive with it off. I guess for those of us who are used to driving stick for years it is easier without it.

You are hardly wasting more than a few ounces of gas with revmatching for your entire tank - nothing that would amount to more than 1/4 mile of driving.

kenchan 06-08-2012 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Compdoc777 (Post 1759866)
I think it wastes gas rev matching I hate going in hot into a corner and that rev matching revs the hell out of the motor going into a lower gear. It is easier to drive with it off. I guess for those of us who are used to driving stick for years it is easier without it.

so you just mash the clutch together with no rev match? you sure you know how to drive MT? :icon14: SRM or not, when im in my G i blip each downshift and sometimes that means up to redline if im coming up fast enough. it's no different.

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Originally Posted by hadokenuh (Post 1759994)
I don't think it grinds. Just something like a linkage noise into 2nd gear sometimes. It's has been about 3K miles since the replacement, definitely much smoother when new. Thanks again.

yah, keep driving and see how it improves on its own. if it continues to bother you, have the dealer look at it again at 5K miles noting that you have it plenty of time to break it in.

shadoquad 06-08-2012 12:45 PM

I wasn't impressed with SRM in test driving. It was part of why I bought without sports package. I have no regrets about that.

kenchan 06-08-2012 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad (Post 1761103)
I wasn't impressed with SRM in test driving. It was part of why I bought without sports package. I have no regrets about that.

on the Z with its latency in throttle pedal input, the SRM is a must-have. unlike the pedal, the shifter blip is instantaneous.

plus you get brakes and some other stuff like coolness factor. gotta get the sports package unless you're a tracking the car and run 6pistons or something. :icon17:

Vaughanabe13 06-08-2012 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 1761114)
on the Z with its latency in throttle pedal input, the SRM is a must-have. unlike the pedal, the shifter blip is instantaneous.

plus you get brakes and some other stuff like coolness factor. gotta get the sports package unless you're a tracking the car and run 6pistons or something. :icon17:

Plus I find the base wheels to be hideous.

shadoquad 06-08-2012 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 1761114)
on the Z with its latency in throttle pedal input, the SRM is a must-have. unlike the pedal, the shifter blip is instantaneous.

plus you get brakes and some other stuff like coolness factor. gotta get the sports package unless you're a tracking the car and run 6pistons or something. :icon17:


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Originally Posted by Vaughanabe13 (Post 1761131)
Plus I find the base wheels to be hideous.

Perfectly happy w/o SP. Have upgraded brakes and wheels, don't miss the spoiler. Looking into an lsd. I've heard the stock lsd isn't all that great anyway, and srm was just annoying. I know many sports owners who don't use it.

kenchan 06-08-2012 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad (Post 1761173)
Perfectly happy w/o SP. Have upgraded brakes and wheels, don't miss the spoiler. Looking into an lsd. I've heard the stock lsd isn't all that great anyway, and srm was just annoying. I know many sports owners who don't use it.

now you just sound like you're making up excuses. :icon17: ;)

shadoquad 06-08-2012 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 1761207)
now you just sound like you're making up excuses. :icon17: ;)

lol charburger up

kenchan 06-08-2012 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad (Post 1761215)
lol charburger up

:tup: hey, where's my order of cheeze fries?

shadoquad 06-08-2012 01:47 PM

Also, because of absolute luck, the cost of upgrading my brakes and wheels was $1100.

JARblue 06-08-2012 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad (Post 1761173)
I know many sports owners who don't use it.

I find myself arguing with SRM when it's on, therefore it stays off. I don't think my wife has ever used it. VDC stays off when I drive unless its inclement weather or long distance highway driving. I don't think my wife knows where the VDC button is :icon17:

shado, I don't agree with you on the spoiler though. I think the a$$ is kind of bare with out the lip. I just like the extra lines it creates. :yum:

shadoquad 06-08-2012 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by JARblue (Post 1761615)
I find myself arguing with SRM when it's on, therefore it stays off. I don't think my wife has ever used it. VDC stays off when I drive unless its inclement weather or long distance highway driving. I don't think my wife knows where the VDC button is :icon17:

shado, I don't agree with you on the spoiler though. I think the a$$ is kind of bare with out the lip. I just like the extra lines it creates. :yum:

I like the bare rear end. I think the lines flow better without. But to each their own.

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kenchan 06-08-2012 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad (Post 1761635)
I like the bare rear end. I think the lines flow better without. But to each their own.

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wings are definitely luv/hate. i had to search a while to find my G without the hideous rear factory ironing board wing 8yrs ago when i bought mine. :tup:

i added a small lip of my liking on there later on. :yum: the Z's factory spoiler didn't bother me.

JARblue 06-08-2012 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad (Post 1761635)
I like the bare rear end. I think the lines flow better without. But to each their own.

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I still think it's missing something ...

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shadoquad 06-08-2012 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 1761672)
wings are definitely luv/hate. i had to search a while to find my G without the hideous rear factory ironing board wing 8yrs ago when i bought mine. :tup:

i added a small lip of my liking on there later on. :yum: the Z's factory spoiler didn't bother me.

Oh, don't get me wrong. I think the stock Z34 spoiler looks good. I just think the butt without the spoiler looks just as nice, but opinions are like elbows. Errybody's got 'em.
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Originally Posted by JARblue (Post 1761675)
I still think it's missing something ...

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:roflpuke2:

phelan 06-08-2012 07:02 PM

my SRM has been off since i bought the subaru. last thing i need is to throw the subaru into gear and not blip lol...and now i'm used to matching myself. even when i turned on SRM to show someone what it does, my foot was still trying to rev match...so meh.


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