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sonic370 10-26-2010 07:01 PM

Dumb question of the week
 
Just wondering,I know we all love our Z's are we wouldn't have bought them.
or visit this forum as much. Anyway here goes..

with the new 2011 mustang and the new camaro...
if you had a choice which one would you choose. not meant to be a poll
just asking..... i'll go first... camaro.....hard to explain but i just don't like
fords.

kenchan 10-26-2010 07:08 PM

I like charburgers and cheeze fries.

ThoriumHotdog 10-26-2010 07:21 PM

I'd take the new z28 over the 5.0.

The Camaro interior is awful though and the Mustang has a Nav option. I'd take a TT 370z over either though.

LuckyJinx 10-26-2010 07:22 PM

Ferrari. Or the camaro.

Eric 10-26-2010 07:53 PM

I'm still going with the Z.

spearfish25 10-26-2010 08:27 PM

Very different cars. I'm a man of aesthetics. Sitting in the Camaro or Mustang, my skin just crawls with the interior quality. Also, Chevy and Ford 'miss' things that other car makers understand. My friend's GT500 has the RPM gauge on the right and speedometer on the left. Just makes no sense.

Red__Zed 10-26-2010 08:27 PM

I'd be pretty tempted by the new 'stang. The deal I got on the Z was too good to pass up though.

370Zsteve 10-26-2010 08:30 PM

Z28 Vert would work

Mike 10-26-2010 08:33 PM

hmm, I like the outside of the camaro, but if it came down to it, between the two, I'd take the mustang, maybe. The new Z28 might be a tempting option, but I like the Z the best. I have been thinking about getting another corvette though lately, it would be a Grand Sport, and an addition, not a replacement.

JB1 10-26-2010 09:21 PM

I've driven all three, but I'm still happy I got the Z. I really like the power and the sound of the 5.0 mustang, but the Z feels much more compact compared to both the Mustang as well as the Camaro. The Z feels sort of wraped around you. The Camaro and Mustang just felt big. Maybe it gets better the more you drive them, but until then, I'll stick with the Z.

Edit: ok, just read it again, pick Camaro or Mustang. Well, in that case: Mustang, felt smaller and lighter then the Camaro.

SophiaZ 10-26-2010 09:46 PM

I still to this day love the new Camaro's! But I've loved them forever. I'd definitly pick the Camaro over the Mustang. Ashame the interior is so cheesey, but it'd be the next pick after the Z. I don't do Fords..even tho the GT500's are SWEET! But I'll never own a Ford.

specZ 10-27-2010 12:29 AM

would have to go with the rustang at this point between the current models

jaedub 10-27-2010 12:58 AM

stang hands down

dixon cider 10-27-2010 01:30 AM

The only Ford or Chevy I would own is their trucks. Neither would be my answer.

AK370Z 10-27-2010 02:10 AM

New Mustang GT please! That's because I like the power and handling of the new 5.0. HOWEVER, if Mustang 5.0 and Camaro had identical performance, Camaro because of the look (and also I drove Camaro for 6 years! Big time Camaro fan)

On the other hand, seriously another Mustang thread? Should I just change this forum to THEmustangforum.com? :bowrofl:

ImportConvert 10-27-2010 06:31 AM

None of the above. If I were limited to the cars we are discussing as far as price, I would go with a new 'vette.

The Camaro SS is no-faster than my 2001 WS6 was.

The new Mustang has an SRA, and for some reason that grates on me. I want a car with IRS for that price. SRA's work great on tracks and skidpads--no suprise--but real roads have dips and bobbles.

The 370Z is a great car in every way except for the power defecit.

I want a Z 10-27-2010 07:06 AM

I refuse to give Government Motors any more of my money, so the 5.0

ImportConvert 10-27-2010 07:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by I want a Z (Post 783616)
I refuse to give Government Motors any more of my money, so the 5.0

I am trying to understand your outlook here.

Do you feel the 5.0 is a better car?
Do you not want to get SOMETHING back for your money?
Do you feel that you would rather own an inferior car just to make a point?

I am very curious why people say things like what you have said.

It is like me saying "I pay for you to drive your car on the road as I pay state tax. I refuse to buy a car myself, because then I would have to pay state tax on that purchase as well."

HKYStormFront 10-27-2010 07:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AK370Z (Post 783540)
New Mustang GT please! That's because I like the power and handling of the new 5.0. HOWEVER, if Mustang 5.0 and Camaro had identical performance, Camaro because of the look (and also I drove Camaro for 6 years! Big time Camaro fan)

On the other hand, seriously another Mustang thread? Should I just change this forum to THEmustangforum.com? :bowrofl:

agree^^ and lolz :icon17:

SiXK 10-27-2010 07:49 AM

hmmmm.... only two choices are Camaro or Mustang? I'd be walking I suppose....

ProfessorDave 10-27-2010 07:50 AM

...still waiting for the Pinto to make a comeback

I want a Z 10-27-2010 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 783623)
I am trying to understand your outlook here.

Do you feel the 5.0 is a better car?
Do you not want to get SOMETHING back for your money?
Do you feel that you would rather own an inferior car just to make a point?

I am very curious why people say things like what you have said.

It is like me saying "I pay for you to drive your car on the road as I pay state tax. I refuse to buy a car myself, because then I would have to pay state tax on that purchase as well."

Some people have principals - the whole GM bailout made me sick.
I refuse to buy into that. It personally makes me feel better, could care less what car car anybody else buys

How do you think it's getting something back - there is no discount on the car because you are a US tax payer.

I would not buy any car just to make a point.

your analogy is absurd and makes no sense

Besides, have you ever sat in a camaro, the interior is horrible
even with out the bailout, I would still choose the 5.0, it's nicer in every way

Mt Tam I am 10-27-2010 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by I want a Z (Post 783616)
I refuse to give Government Motors any more of my money, so the 5.0

Quote:

Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 783623)
I am trying to understand your outlook here.

Do you feel the 5.0 is a better car?
Do you not want to get SOMETHING back for your money?
Do you feel that you would rather own an inferior car just to make a point?

I am very curious why people say things like what you have said.

It is like me saying "I pay for you to drive your car on the road as I pay state tax. I refuse to buy a car myself, because then I would have to pay state tax on that purchase as well."

Principled people make principled decisions. My uncle for instance would never buy a Jap car (Mitsubishi number one) on principle. He fought them in the Pacific, they were, and always would be, the enemy. To the unprincipled this will never make sense. I assume by your curiousness, that you never joined the Corps. If you did, then I am surprised because fighting and dying for your believes, or principles, is paramount, to Marines.
Government Motors as opposed to General Motors, since we tax payers bailed out GM & Chrysler. Ford on the other hand has managed their debt and finances far better and did not need federal money.
So I want a Z wants to reward the worthy company. Remember GM refused to pay down debt during the good times. Then held out a hand when things got tough.

m4a1mustang 10-27-2010 09:53 AM

I would buy the 5.0 and take a free Camaro.

GM took $30 billion and "paid in full" $5 billion. I want something for my $25 billion!

ImportConvert 10-27-2010 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by I want a Z (Post 783731)
Some people have principals - the whole GM bailout made me sick.
I refuse to buy into that. It personally makes me feel better, could care less what car car anybody else buys

How do you think it's getting something back - there is no discount on the car because you are a US tax payer.

I would not buy any car just to make a point.

your analogy is absurd and makes no sense

Besides, have you ever sat in a camaro, the interior is horrible
even with out the bailout, I would still choose the 5.0, it's nicer in every way

No, I don't think the bail-out was an ideal occurance. However...

I paid for part of the bail-out. If I refuse to buy a GM car--I paid for something I did not get. That is how I feel about that.

I don't want a camaro, I want a Z06. Yes, the Camaro is arse inside. Not that the Z06 is so awesome inside, but the Camaro is just...well. You know.

Like I said, 5.0>Camaro. Z06>Anything else new under $100K. Seats can be replaced if you don't like them, and a lot cheaper and without voiding driveline warranties,etc.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mt Tam I am (Post 783781)
Principled people make principled decisions. My uncle for instance would never buy a Jap car (Mitsubishi number one) on principle. He fought them in the Pacific, they were, and always would be, the enemy. To the unprincipled this will never make sense. I assume by your curiousness, that you never joined the Corps. If you did, then I am surprised because fighting and dying for your believes, or principles, is paramount, to Marines.
Government Motors as opposed to General Motors, since we tax payers bailed out GM & Chrysler. Ford on the other hand has managed their debt and finances far better and did not need federal money.
So I want a Z wants to reward the worthy company. Remember GM refused to pay down debt during the good times. Then held out a hand when things got tough.

I did not join the USMC. However, I lived with a Marine for a while. He had nothing against imports.

Principals...You have no problem paying unconstitutional taxes. Why? You would go to jail/court if you didn't. It's easier to knuckle under. Don't play the "I have principals" card.
http://www.propublica.org/special/government-bailouts

Do you fly?
Do you use any goods transported by Penn Central Railroad?
Do you have insurance through AIG?
Did you use any of the "stimulus" money "given" to the public?

If you answered "yes" to any of the above--again--don't come at me with "I'm a person of principal" and then knock me or those who decide to buy a GM because they view it as the best choice for them.

Further, no, Ford didn't get the bail-out, but they still whined for money and threatened and made a huge stink about it:
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/200...still-begging/

So, once again, I will take the GM product if it suits me better than any other out there. I buy what I think will suite my needs best--especially if I have an investment in it (I am a tax-payer, I am vested in GM).

Also of note, your Uncle was from a different generation with a different mindset. People from my generation are less likely to exhibit brand loyalty and more likely to buy the products that we view as best suited to our needs. It isn't necessarily about integrity, but a different way of thinking.

Further, I think Nissan also participated in the cash for clunker "government stimulus". Good luck finding a "pure" company which has made it on it's own who can say the same for their suppliers as well if they make an item with 100 or more moving parts.

toxik 10-27-2010 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ProfessorDave (Post 783648)
...still waiting for the Pinto to make a comeback

It did make a come back, but then someone rear ended it and it blew up.

ClemsonWill 10-27-2010 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 783798)
I paid for part of the bail-out. If I refuse to buy a GM car--I paid for something I did not get. That is how I feel about that.

I don't want a camaro, I want a Z06. Yes, the Camaro is arse inside. Not that the Z06 is so awesome inside, but the Camaro is just...well. You know.

Like I said, 5.0>Camaro. Z06>Anything else new under $100K. Seats can be replaced if you don't like them, and a lot cheaper and without voiding driveline warranties,etc.

I would definitely pick a Z06 over the other two but it's in a completely different price range. In the price range of 30-50K, I would definitely pick the mustang. I love the looks of the camaro but handling and interior are just not up to par. Maybe they will make some drastic changes with the Z28.

370Zsteve 10-27-2010 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by I want a Z (Post 783731)
Some people have principals - the whole GM bailout made me sick.
I refuse to buy into that. It personally makes me feel better, could care less what car car anybody else buys

How do you think it's getting something back - there is no discount on the car because you are a US tax payer.

I would not buy any car just to make a point.

your analogy is absurd and makes no sense

Besides, have you ever sat in a camaro, the interior is horrible
even with out the bailout, I would still choose the 5.0, it's nicer in every way

You do know that most companies that were bailed out are paying back the money, WITH INTEREST?

in other words, "we" are making money on the bailouts. But continue along with your Tea Party talking points in a car forum :shakes head:

As for me, none of the above....Corvette please!

Diocletian 10-27-2010 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AK370Z (Post 783540)
New Mustang GT please! That's because I like the power and handling of the new 5.0. HOWEVER, if Mustang 5.0 and Camaro had identical performance, Camaro because of the look (and also I drove Camaro for 6 years! Big time Camaro fan)

On the other hand, seriously another Mustang thread? Should I just change this forum to THEmustangforum.com? :bowrofl:

the50gt.com

370Zsteve 10-27-2010 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Diocletian (Post 783818)
the50gt.com

THEm41amustang.com


:roflpuke2:

ImportConvert 10-27-2010 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ClemsonWill (Post 783809)
I would definitely pick a Z06 over the other two but it's in a completely different price range. In the price range of 30-50K, I would definitely pick the mustang. I love the looks of the camaro but handling and interior are just not up to par. Maybe they will make some drastic changes with the Z28.

I have heard the Z28's interior will be completely revised. I sure hope so. Either way, I agree with you. 5.0=370Z, they just have trade-offs (5.0=more power, Z=more ergonomic and sophisticated feel).

You're right, the Z06 is in a different price range,but a base C6 really isn't far off from the others. A few K at most.

dudafunk 10-27-2010 10:36 AM

Man... I went thru the new Camaro vs. 370z debate when buying... from what I recall, this was my conclusion about the "new" Camaros:

Ladies and gentlemen, presenting the all new 2010 Chevy Camaro. . . .living up to its claim to fame of American Muscle*

* 1/3rd made in Mexico, 1/3rd made in Canada and 1/3rd made in America.

Lug 10-27-2010 10:40 AM

370Z and Mustang GT tie, Camaro distant third unless it's a Z28 (which is really a competitor for a GT500 or Vette, not a GT)

Cell 10-27-2010 10:54 AM

Interior design/feel was a big thing for me. I needed to feel like I was in a cockpit or at least feel like I am actually sitting in a sports car.

That was one of the few reasons that drove me away from a Camaro/Mustang.

The other reason was that they were HUGE. I just did not want to feel like I was driving a truck. The only things that were nice from those two cars was the power and a little bit of the looks and that was it for me. But I still think the 370z looks much better, just wish it had more power to play with.

So, if I had to choose all over again. I would still pick the 370z.

370fan 10-27-2010 11:30 AM

5.0 >> Z-28

Plus, there's already a new 5.0 running 8's in the 1/4! The drag racer part of me LOVES that! The old school Hot Rodder in me HATES that it's so easy for the new cars to go so fast.

ImportConvert 10-27-2010 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dudafunk (Post 783903)
Man... I went thru the new Camaro vs. 370z debate when buying... from what I recall, this was my conclusion about the "new" Camaros:

Ladies and gentlemen, presenting the all new 2010 Chevy Camaro. . . .living up to its claim to fame of American Muscle*

* 1/3rd made in Mexico, 1/3rd made in Canada and 1/3rd made in America.

Does the fact that Aston Martin's DB7 Vantage and V12 Vanquish's manual transmissions came out of Mexico make them unappealing to you, too?

Why does it matter, as long as it works?
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cell (Post 783929)
Interior design/feel was a big thing for me. I needed to feel like I was in a cockpit or at least feel like I am actually sitting in a sports car.

That was one of the few reasons that drove me away from a Camaro/Mustang.


The other reason was that they were HUGE. I just did not want to feel like I was driving a truck. The only things that were nice from those two cars was the power and a little bit of the looks and that was it for me. But I still think the 370z looks much better, just wish it had more power to play with.

So, if I had to choose all over again. I would still pick the 370z.

I agree 100%. With the mustang, you feel like you sit ON the seat. With the Z/Vette/S2000, etc. (sports cars vs. Muscle cars...) you sit IN the seat. This is part of why I don't "feel" the GT500.

Bleek 10-27-2010 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 783798)
I don't want a camaro, I want a Z06. Yes, the Camaro is arse inside. Not that the Z06 is so awesome inside, but the Camaro is just...well. You know.

Like I said, 5.0>Camaro. Z06>Anything else new under $100K. Seats can be replaced if you don't like them, and a lot cheaper and without voiding driveline warranties,etc.


I personally wouldn't take a z06 over a new m6 or gt-r.

Mt Tam I am 10-27-2010 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 783798)
No, I don't think the bail-out was an ideal occurance. However...

I paid for part of the bail-out. If I refuse to buy a GM car--I paid for something I did not get. That is how I feel about that.

I don't want a camaro, I want a Z06. Yes, the Camaro is arse inside. Not that the Z06 is so awesome inside, but the Camaro is just...well. You know.

Like I said, 5.0>Camaro. Z06>Anything else new under $100K. Seats can be replaced if you don't like them, and a lot cheaper and without voiding driveline warranties,etc.



I did not join the USMC. However, I lived with a Marine for a while. He had nothing against imports.

Principals...You have no problem paying unconstitutional taxes. Why? You would go to jail/court if you didn't. It's easier to knuckle under. Don't play the "I have principals" card.
History of U.S. Gov’t Bailouts - ProPublica

Do you fly?
Do you use any goods transported by Penn Central Railroad?
Do you have insurance through AIG?
Did you use any of the "stimulus" money "given" to the public?

If you answered "yes" to any of the above--again--don't come at me with "I'm a person of principal" and then knock me or those who decide to buy a GM because they view it as the best choice for them.

Further, no, Ford didn't get the bail-out, but they still whined for money and threatened and made a huge stink about it:
Ford: Bailout-Free But Still Begging | The Truth About Cars

So, once again, I will take the GM product if it suits me better than any other out there. I buy what I think will suite my needs best--especially if I have an investment in it (I am a tax-payer, I am vested in GM).

Also of note, your Uncle was from a different generation with a different mindset. People from my generation are less likely to exhibit brand loyalty and more likely to buy the products that we view as best suited to our needs. It isn't necessarily about integrity, but a different way of thinking.

Further, I think Nissan also participated in the cash for clunker "government stimulus". Good luck finding a "pure" company which has made it on it's own who can say the same for their suppliers as well if they make an item with 100 or more moving parts.

Sorry. As part of your question you asked I am very curious why people say things like what you have said. I provided you an answer for some, as you asked. And you took it personally as a criticism.


Do you fly?
Do you use any goods transported by Penn Central Railroad?
Do you have insurance through AIG?
Did you use any of the "stimulus" money "given" to the public?

If you answered "yes" to any of the above--again--don't come at me with "I'm a person of principal" and then knock me or those who decide to buy a GM because they view it as the best choice for them.


I did not realize I knocked you. Where did I not say I would not buy a GM nor should you. I can answer no to all of the above excepting the Penn Central Railroad since I have no idea what it encompasses, but I do benefit indirectly from all the above I am sure.

ImportConvert 10-27-2010 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bleek (Post 784036)
I personally wouldn't take a z06 over a new m6 or gt-r.

The base versons of which will cost you another $20K over the base Z06.

However, I agree that they offer similar performance in "nicer" wrappers. $20K nicer? Well, if I could swing it I might be tempted to say so. Since I can't, I disagree :tiphat:

I want a Z 10-27-2010 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 370Zsteve (Post 783811)
You do know that most companies that were bailed out are paying back the money, WITH INTEREST?

in other words, "we" are making money on the bailouts. But continue along with your Tea Party talking points in a car forum :shakes head:

As for me, none of the above....Corvette please!

:icon18: :roflpuke2: yeah, ok


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