Dumb question of the week

ImportConvert · 10-27-2010, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by I want a Z

Some people have principals - the whole GM bailout made me sick.
I refuse to buy into that. It personally makes me feel better, could care less what car car anybody else buys

How do you think it's getting something back - there is no discount on the car because you are a US tax payer.

I would not buy any car just to make a point.

your analogy is absurd and makes no sense

Besides, have you ever sat in a camaro, the interior is horrible
even with out the bailout, I would still choose the 5.0, it's nicer in every way

No, I don't think the bail-out was an ideal occurance. However...

I paid for part of the bail-out. If I refuse to buy a GM car--I paid for something I did not get. That is how I feel about that.

I don't want a camaro, I want a Z06. Yes, the Camaro is arse inside. Not that the Z06 is so awesome inside, but the Camaro is just...well. You know.

Like I said, 5.0>Camaro. Z06>Anything else new under $100K. Seats can be replaced if you don't like them, and a lot cheaper and without voiding driveline warranties,etc.

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Originally Posted by Mt Tam I am

Principled people make principled decisions. My uncle for instance would never buy a Jap car (Mitsubishi number one) on principle. He fought them in the Pacific, they were, and always would be, the enemy. To the unprincipled this will never make sense. I assume by your curiousness, that you never joined the Corps. If you did, then I am surprised because fighting and dying for your believes, or principles, is paramount, to Marines.
Government Motors as opposed to General Motors, since we tax payers bailed out GM & Chrysler. Ford on the other hand has managed their debt and finances far better and did not need federal money.
So I want a Z wants to reward the worthy company. Remember GM refused to pay down debt during the good times. Then held out a hand when things got tough.

I did not join the USMC. However, I lived with a Marine for a while. He had nothing against imports.

Principals...You have no problem paying unconstitutional taxes. Why? You would go to jail/court if you didn't. It's easier to knuckle under. Don't play the "I have principals" card.
http://www.propublica.org/special/government-bailouts

Do you fly?
Do you use any goods transported by Penn Central Railroad?
Do you have insurance through AIG?
Did you use any of the "stimulus" money "given" to the public?

If you answered "yes" to any of the above--again--don't come at me with "I'm a person of principal" and then knock me or those who decide to buy a GM because they view it as the best choice for them.

Further, no, Ford didn't get the bail-out, but they still whined for money and threatened and made a huge stink about it:
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/200...still-begging/

So, once again, I will take the GM product if it suits me better than any other out there. I buy what I think will suite my needs best--especially if I have an investment in it (I am a tax-payer, I am vested in GM).

Also of note, your Uncle was from a different generation with a different mindset. People from my generation are less likely to exhibit brand loyalty and more likely to buy the products that we view as best suited to our needs. It isn't necessarily about integrity, but a different way of thinking.

Further, I think Nissan also participated in the cash for clunker "government stimulus". Good luck finding a "pure" company which has made it on it's own who can say the same for their suppliers as well if they make an item with 100 or more moving parts.

ClemsonWill · 10-27-2010, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

I paid for part of the bail-out. If I refuse to buy a GM car--I paid for something I did not get. That is how I feel about that.

I don't want a camaro, I want a Z06. Yes, the Camaro is arse inside. Not that the Z06 is so awesome inside, but the Camaro is just...well. You know.

Like I said, 5.0>Camaro. Z06>Anything else new under $100K. Seats can be replaced if you don't like them, and a lot cheaper and without voiding driveline warranties,etc.

I would definitely pick a Z06 over the other two but it's in a completely different price range. In the price range of 30-50K, I would definitely pick the mustang. I love the looks of the camaro but handling and interior are just not up to par. Maybe they will make some drastic changes with the Z28.

ImportConvert · 10-27-2010, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by ClemsonWill

I would definitely pick a Z06 over the other two but it's in a completely different price range. In the price range of 30-50K, I would definitely pick the mustang. I love the looks of the camaro but handling and interior are just not up to par. Maybe they will make some drastic changes with the Z28.

I have heard the Z28's interior will be completely revised. I sure hope so. Either way, I agree with you. 5.0=370Z, they just have trade-offs (5.0=more power, Z=more ergonomic and sophisticated feel).

You're right, the Z06 is in a different price range,but a base C6 really isn't far off from the others. A few K at most.

Bleek · 10-27-2010, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

I don't want a camaro, I want a Z06. Yes, the Camaro is arse inside. Not that the Z06 is so awesome inside, but the Camaro is just...well. You know.

Like I said, 5.0>Camaro. Z06>Anything else new under $100K. Seats can be replaced if you don't like them, and a lot cheaper and without voiding driveline warranties,etc.

I personally wouldn't take a z06 over a new m6 or gt-r.

ImportConvert · 10-27-2010, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Bleek

I personally wouldn't take a z06 over a new m6 or gt-r.

The base versons of which will cost you another $20K over the base Z06.

However, I agree that they offer similar performance in "nicer" wrappers. $20K nicer? Well, if I could swing it I might be tempted to say so. Since I can't, I disagree

Mt Tam I am · 10-27-2010, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

No, I don't think the bail-out was an ideal occurance. However...

I paid for part of the bail-out. If I refuse to buy a GM car--I paid for something I did not get. That is how I feel about that.

I don't want a camaro, I want a Z06. Yes, the Camaro is arse inside. Not that the Z06 is so awesome inside, but the Camaro is just...well. You know.

Like I said, 5.0>Camaro. Z06>Anything else new under $100K. Seats can be replaced if you don't like them, and a lot cheaper and without voiding driveline warranties,etc.

I did not join the USMC. However, I lived with a Marine for a while. He had nothing against imports.

Principals...You have no problem paying unconstitutional taxes. Why? You would go to jail/court if you didn't. It's easier to knuckle under. Don't play the "I have principals" card.
History of U.S. Gov’t Bailouts - ProPublica

Do you fly?
Do you use any goods transported by Penn Central Railroad?
Do you have insurance through AIG?
Did you use any of the "stimulus" money "given" to the public?

If you answered "yes" to any of the above--again--don't come at me with "I'm a person of principal" and then knock me or those who decide to buy a GM because they view it as the best choice for them.

Further, no, Ford didn't get the bail-out, but they still whined for money and threatened and made a huge stink about it:
Ford: Bailout-Free But Still Begging | The Truth About Cars

So, once again, I will take the GM product if it suits me better than any other out there. I buy what I think will suite my needs best--especially if I have an investment in it (I am a tax-payer, I am vested in GM).

Also of note, your Uncle was from a different generation with a different mindset. People from my generation are less likely to exhibit brand loyalty and more likely to buy the products that we view as best suited to our needs. It isn't necessarily about integrity, but a different way of thinking.

Further, I think Nissan also participated in the cash for clunker "government stimulus". Good luck finding a "pure" company which has made it on it's own who can say the same for their suppliers as well if they make an item with 100 or more moving parts.

Sorry. As part of your question you asked I am very curious why people say things like what you have said. I provided you an answer for some, as you asked. And you took it personally as a criticism.

Do you fly?
Do you use any goods transported by Penn Central Railroad?
Do you have insurance through AIG?
Did you use any of the "stimulus" money "given" to the public?

If you answered "yes" to any of the above--again--don't come at me with "I'm a person of principal" and then knock me or those who decide to buy a GM because they view it as the best choice for them.

I did not realize I knocked you. Where did I not say I would not buy a GM nor should you. I can answer no to all of the above excepting the Penn Central Railroad since I have no idea what it encompasses, but I do benefit indirectly from all the above I am sure.

ImportConvert · 10-27-2010, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Mt Tam I am

Sorry. As part of your question you asked I am very curious why people say things like what you have said. I provided you an answer for some, as you asked. And you took it personally as a criticism.

Do you fly?
Do you use any goods transported by Penn Central Railroad?
Do you have insurance through AIG?
Did you use any of the "stimulus" money "given" to the public?

If you answered "yes" to any of the above--again--don't come at me with "I'm a person of principal" and then knock me or those who decide to buy a GM because they view it as the best choice for them.

I did not realize I knocked you. Where did I not say I would not buy a GM nor should you. I can answer no to all of the above excepting the Penn Central Railroad since I have no idea what it encompasses, but I do benefit indirectly from all the above I am sure.

You STRONGLY implied I was not a "principled person".

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Originally Posted by Mt Tam I am

Principled people make principled decisions. My uncle for instance would never buy a Jap car (Mitsubishi number one) on principle. He fought them in the Pacific, they were, and always would be, the enemy. To the unprincipled this will never make sense. I assume by your curiousness, that you never joined the Corps. If you did, then I am surprised because fighting and dying for your believes, or principles, is paramount, to Marines.
Government Motors as opposed to General Motors, since we tax payers bailed out GM & Chrysler. Ford on the other hand has managed their debt and finances far better and did not need federal money.
So I want a Z wants to reward the worthy company. Remember GM refused to pay down debt during the good times. Then held out a hand when things got tough.

Mt Tam I am · 10-27-2010, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

You STRONGLY implied I was not a "principled person".

Sorry, for the miscommunication. Principles can be rational to one and irrational to another, just like joining the Corps. Your original question implied why would some one do something that you see as irrational.
My uncle would not buy a Jap (German,or Itallian) car on principle, as they were the enemy. He only bought GM and International Harvester. I've bought Datsun-Nissans for years. I remember his lecture to me. Your principles, his and mine can all be different, without anyone being unprincipled. My uncle suffered problems with his crummy 1970's and 1980's GM cars on principle , even if it was irrational.

When you mentioned your gyrine roommate didn't have anything against imports, whom would he have considered his enemy anyway? North Korea, Viet Nam, Grenada, Iraq? These places don't export cars.

I still take plenty of heat for not buying American. Again somebody elses principles.

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