Originally Posted by ClemsonWill (Post 783809)

I would definitely pick a Z06 over the other two but it's in a completely different price range. In the price range of 30-50K, I would definitely pick the mustang. I love the looks of the camaro but handling and interior are just not up to par. Maybe they will make some drastic changes with the Z28.

Originally Posted by dudafunk (Post 783903)

Man... I went thru the new Camaro vs. 370z debate when buying... from what I recall, this was my conclusion about the "new" Camaros:

Ladies and gentlemen, presenting the all new 2010 Chevy Camaro. . . .living up to its claim to fame of American Muscle*

* 1/3rd made in Mexico, 1/3rd made in Canada and 1/3rd made in America.

Originally Posted by Cell (Post 783929)

Interior design/feel was a big thing for me. I needed to feel like I was in a cockpit or at least feel like I am actually sitting in a sports car.

That was one of the few reasons that drove me away from a Camaro/Mustang.

The other reason was that they were HUGE. I just did not want to feel like I was driving a truck. The only things that were nice from those two cars was the power and a little bit of the looks and that was it for me. But I still think the 370z looks much better, just wish it had more power to play with.

So, if I had to choose all over again. I would still pick the 370z.

Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 783798)

I don't want a camaro, I want a Z06. Yes, the Camaro is arse inside. Not that the Z06 is so awesome inside, but the Camaro is just...well. You know.

Like I said, 5.0>Camaro. Z06>Anything else new under $100K. Seats can be replaced if you don't like them, and a lot cheaper and without voiding driveline warranties,etc.

Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 783798)

No, I don't think the bail-out was an ideal occurance. However...

I paid for part of the bail-out. If I refuse to buy a GM car--I paid for something I did not get. That is how I feel about that.

I don't want a camaro, I want a Z06. Yes, the Camaro is arse inside. Not that the Z06 is so awesome inside, but the Camaro is just...well. You know.

Like I said, 5.0>Camaro. Z06>Anything else new under $100K. Seats can be replaced if you don't like them, and a lot cheaper and without voiding driveline warranties,etc.



I did not join the USMC. However, I lived with a Marine for a while. He had nothing against imports.

Principals...You have no problem paying unconstitutional taxes. Why? You would go to jail/court if you didn't. It's easier to knuckle under. Don't play the "I have principals" card.
History of U.S. Gov’t Bailouts - ProPublica

Do you fly?
Do you use any goods transported by Penn Central Railroad?
Do you have insurance through AIG?
Did you use any of the "stimulus" money "given" to the public?

If you answered "yes" to any of the above--again--don't come at me with "I'm a person of principal" and then knock me or those who decide to buy a GM because they view it as the best choice for them.

Further, no, Ford didn't get the bail-out, but they still whined for money and threatened and made a huge stink about it:
Ford: Bailout-Free But Still Begging | The Truth About Cars

So, once again, I will take the GM product if it suits me better than any other out there. I buy what I think will suite my needs best--especially if I have an investment in it (I am a tax-payer, I am vested in GM).

Also of note, your Uncle was from a different generation with a different mindset. People from my generation are less likely to exhibit brand loyalty and more likely to buy the products that we view as best suited to our needs. It isn't necessarily about integrity, but a different way of thinking.

Further, I think Nissan also participated in the cash for clunker "government stimulus". Good luck finding a "pure" company which has made it on it's own who can say the same for their suppliers as well if they make an item with 100 or more moving parts.

Originally Posted by Bleek (Post 784036)

I personally wouldn't take a z06 over a new m6 or gt-r.

Originally Posted by 370Zsteve (Post 783811)

You do know that most companies that were bailed out are paying back the money, WITH INTEREST?

in other words, "we" are making money on the bailouts. But continue along with your Tea Party talking points in a car forum :shakes head:

As for me, none of the above....Corvette please!

Originally Posted by Mt Tam I am (Post 784042)

Sorry. As part of your question you asked I am very curious why people say things like what you have said. I provided you an answer for some, as you asked. And you took it personally as a criticism.


Do you fly?
Do you use any goods transported by Penn Central Railroad?
Do you have insurance through AIG?
Did you use any of the "stimulus" money "given" to the public?

If you answered "yes" to any of the above--again--don't come at me with "I'm a person of principal" and then knock me or those who decide to buy a GM because they view it as the best choice for them.

I did not realize I knocked you. Where did I not say I would not buy a GM nor should you. I can answer no to all of the above excepting the Penn Central Railroad since I have no idea what it encompasses, but I do benefit indirectly from all the above I am sure.

Originally Posted by Mt Tam I am (Post 783781)

Principled people make principled decisions. My uncle for instance would never buy a Jap car (Mitsubishi number one) on principle. He fought them in the Pacific, they were, and always would be, the enemy. To the unprincipled this will never make sense. I assume by your curiousness, that you never joined the Corps. If you did, then I am surprised because fighting and dying for your believes, or principles, is paramount, to Marines.
Government Motors as opposed to General Motors, since we tax payers bailed out GM & Chrysler. Ford on the other hand has managed their debt and finances far better and did not need federal money.
So I want a Z wants to reward the worthy company. Remember GM refused to pay down debt during the good times. Then held out a hand when things got tough.

Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 784066)

You STRONGLY implied I was not a "principled person".

Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 784010)

Does the fact that Aston Martin's DB7 Vantage and V12 Vanquish's manual transmissions came out of Mexico make them unappealing to you, too?

Why does it matter, as long as it works?